Alright so i hit the track the other day and the fastest car there was running 144 mph...a fucking eagle talon?????? It killed everybody...i was but hurt
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Alright so i hit the track the other day and the fastest car there was running 144 mph...a fucking eagle talon?????? It killed everybody...i was but hurt
So they took a car that had AWD gutted it out, slap a fart can muffler in it, remove the A/C make it as light as possible and drop some money into the motor huh
awd + massive turbo + $$$ + a little knowhow = rocketship.
dsm's can be made quick by the right people. I got a buddy who insists on running 20 lbs of boost on his untuned talon, and gets fuel cutoff at 3 grand, but hey, who wants to spend 300 dollars for a tune so your car will work right, right? :dot:
Imagine if they dumped that money into an F-body...
gonna get about the same result. for about 5 grand my buddies got a 13 second car, aside from the fact he's too stupid to get it tuned. thats running about the same as a cheap ls1 fbody cost wise. reliability however.... ehhh i'd rather stick with my camaro.
I dont know, if you put the same amount of parts into a camaro and an import im sure the camaro would win
oh no doubt, i agree 100%. but the base starting price on a dsm kinda has an ls1 fbody beat, know what im sayin?
THose DSM's can be made quick for not much coin. But as fwellington said It's not going to last very long at all. That one running 144 at the track either has a fast car that didn't cost him more than 10k but will not last another solid month. or he has 20+K and will hold up for a while. It's not har to make power on a FI car it is hard however to keep it running right.
Any DSM running that fast isn't long for this world. Something will always break or have to be replaced, you're always running on borrowed time with those cars.
Not just any DSM, any car. I am sure many guys here have broke a thing or two on thier cars as well when they are trapping 144mph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
I don't know man a buddy of mine had a honda civic track car that lasted a long time until he wrecked it. but it was a 383 stroker with a 200 shot and rwd. does that count?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Its not really uncommon to find some DSMs at the track running REALLY fast. You can pick up a shell for under $1000 and to build them is quite cheap. If you are going to get one, you really need to start fresh though. The 1st generation ones are 13-17 years old now and pretty much everything needs to be replaced on them, especially if youre going to drag race it. They can be made strong, but you have to spend the coin and build it RIGHT. Some guy at Atco last week was in a 2g one and was running low 10s at 140+mph.
You can always get a early 4th gen LT1 for pretty cheap as well and even more reliable.
don't knock them.....respect the fact that they are/can be very fast cars if done right. in the 90's gm got on the wagon(and should again w/ a colorado) and made a killer little awd/turbo .....sy and the ty.
i agree..gotta respect any car trapping at 144mph..nasty!!!
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don't knock them.....respect the fact that they are/can be very fast cars if done right. in the 90's gm got on the wagon(and should again w/ a colorado) and made a killer little awd/turbo .....sy and the ty.
Yeah, never see anybody on here rippin' on those six-cylinder turbocharged rides, or the GNX and Grand National either. Some people need to have a little more respect for a well-built rig, regardless of the cylinder count. The only reason I won't buy an import is because the cash flows to the wrong countries, and I prefer to have a job! And the sound of eight pissed-off cylinders is sooooo addicting! I have A LARGE assortment of import and sport compact mags thrown in with my ridiculously big collection of performance magazines, not only to keep an eye on my competition but also because mod yourt 5.7-liter+ engine the same way that John Doe Import Geek modded his 2-liter DSM or 1.6-liter CRX or 3-liter Supra, 300ZX, or 3000GT, you'll make some significant power gains. I mean, if these guys can tune their 2.2-liter H22 swap to make 400+whp in some 1994 Accord, we should be able to make over 700 horsepower with the same mods!!!
And for the Haters out there (not to mention any names... cough cough) but no I'm not just talking like that because I'm 21 and young and dumb and naive or whatever you want to say I've researched my position on everything I've said quite extensively. Just defending myself in advance 'cuz I can't check this every day anymore. No time!
2g's are so 2001 :lol:
I respect anything that performs, even if I would rather not own one. Case in point, there was a dude at the track last week with a beat ass looking 89 Acura integra that was mid 12 's and a total sleeper. His buddy in the all motor civic (that they drove there mind you) running high 11's also make me a little more humble.
Thats not a very good reason not to buy an import to be honest. Just about all the import cars like Toyota, Honda, Nissan are assembled in factories here in the U.S. which employs American citizens. Ironically, there are many GM plants in Canada and Mexico :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by RJWZ28
You should buy a car because it has the features, peformance and looks you want.
uh oh!!! no u didnt on a gm forum...LOL...all the texans are gonna jump yo ass now!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
nah cuz he has a point... i buy a nice car if its a nice car... if i wanted just speed id go for some of thoseimport lil shits :screwy: ... been there done that.. sound of a turbo is satisfying andi miss it a lil... but the sound of a cammed out v8 is evenbetter... combine the two andid be one happy mofo:usa: not to mention my vin still starts with a 1 so thats obviously all that matters... muahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by tonyjnjz
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Originally Posted by tonyjnjz
I did and its the truth. If all the Honda and Toyotas were assembled in Japan, I could see an argument, but not here. The more cars Toyota sells, the more dealers will open, which need mechanics, sales people, managers, parts, etc. Same for GM.
Has to be one of the most biased comments I have ever read on this site. It is actually hilarious. Anytime someone posts about a import being faster than a domestic, someone always says, imagine if you put the same amount of parts into the domestic, it would be faster. You don't know that until you actually try it. I don't know one person that has taken their RWD camaro and turned it into AWD, then straped on twin turbo, and raced it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JwMonE99
I disagree - he should buy a car for whatever reason he wants to buy a car for. Doesn't matter if it is because of where it was (or was not) built, what nameplate is stuck on it, how fast it is, what it looks like, what features it has, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
His money, his priorities, his wants/needs/biases, and his choice.
Bob
Thats true. I guess something like that just doesnt make sense sometimes. When I buy a house, a car, food, or even a toy, I look at just about everything except where it's made unless that has a direct impact on its quality. But hey, you are right, his money, his choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLKCLOUD
Mod for mod the V8 with always win. Unless the 4 banger import had a lot more mods then a V8 f-body it would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by 93 Trans Paz
Eh, depending on the import, doesnt have to have "A LOT" more mods, especially if you include 6-banger imports.Quote:
Originally Posted by JwMonE99
There's a guy at a local track running 150+ mph trap speeds in a talon. That thing scoots, but he did break something the last time a saw him run. It was a while ago. But any car running 150+ is inevitably going to have problems.
My friend has a 1990 Talon and o man, it's gonna be fast once it's tuned. AWD & big turbo. Of course, the axles they make aren't the great and even a race trans made for them isn't all that wonderful.
The axles are fine and do not break from power unless its A LOT of power. My brother has over 200,000 on the stock axles with most of the power over 400whp. The transmissions are junk stock and need to be built to handle real power.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeSomething
Ok then i liek imports, hell my supra is faster than my T/A and I was dead even with my T/A after i had spent eh around 5k, i got the car for 3k, so i spent 7,000 on my 87 supra and ran dead even with my own T/A, i now have about what i spent on my T/A into the car, and run constant 11s. Spent 12k all together on a built 5 speed, cams, turbo, motor and suspension, rear gears. And some other things. However i love the T/A and enjoy driving it far more than the supra.
Tom, this car is putting down more man. They make what, a 6bolt aftermarket? He's already got the beefed up racing trans, but I heard even they don't hold up real well. Well, we'll see what happens, ya know?Quote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
an awd first gen talon weighs a few hundred more pounds than an f body. there are alot of things, light not being one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JwMonE99
dude who cares. that isnt what the thread was about....Quote:
Originally Posted by JwMonE99
i partially agree but the foreign auto industry in america doesnt (or hasnt thus far) taken hardly any care of their employees (not that ford or gm are much better) and in addtion are still a foreign entity. they will never be unilaterally accepted, sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
i dont buy for a second that any of the most common automobiles by the larger auto makers are of any greater or poorer quality (in general) than their competitons. ive seen just as many good american cars as i have shitty imports and vice versa.
just my .02
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Originally Posted by MikeSomething
I bet it is. The point I was making was its going to have to put down A LOT more than 400whp and be launching on slicks to break the axles.
1G AWD Dsm's weight around 3250lbs. They are lighter than an Fbody.Quote:
Originally Posted by secondgearscratch
Do you have any information to back that up? My brother worked at Ford for 5 years and now works at Toyota. He is a mechanic. He has the same exact benefits, nothing more, nothing less. Health, dental, 401k, etc. Are you referring to some sort of other treatment?Quote:
Originally Posted by secondgearscratch
This is not up for debate really. Its been proven time and time again that domestic car's quality had gone down. That is why GM and Ford are losing money, market share and customers. Good news is they are improving a this is why GM now offers 100k mile warranties, because they are trying to prove to people their quality is good again, and it is. The newer GM and Ford vehicles have improved build quality and reliable and its starting to show - hopefully it will help them in the coming years to get back on track.Quote:
Originally Posted by secondgearscratch
V8's be built cheaper than a 4 cylinder pretty much anytime you look at it, but the technology used to attain the same horsepower is is far superior in 4 cylinders. I only say this because how else would you explain the fact of making a 4cyl. run as fast as it does. You can make a reliable DSM, but most people either do not have the money or just cut corners and fix it when it breaks. A good example of one is Evil Eagle, his last engine had 850 passes on it with 78K before he took it out to build another motor. This car runs 9.50's @153 in the quarter, and this car is daily driven. Any car is only as good as you build it and that is a fact. You can call me a ricer if you please, because it does not bother me. I respect any car that is built and can put down numbers to prove it. Personally if you want to fast for the cheapest amount of money spent, then go out and buy a motorcycle.
GM, Ford, and DCX still employ more Americans than all the Japanese import companies put together. Its not even a comparison, I hate when people open this can of worms :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
When you buy a Japanese car, the profits from selling that car go back to Japan. That supports the Japanese economy, and its people as well.
When you buy a Domestic vehicle, it supports the US economy. You know, the country that we live in. Not some foreign country and foreign people. That in turn ultimately supports us. Keep the money in your own country, why give it away to foreigners??
We have free trade of course, so people can buy what they like, all I'm saying is take into consideration where your money is going before you make a decision. Its ignorant and stupid to buy a car "just because its Japanese" or "just because its an import".
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Originally Posted by Wesman
I never said any of the import companies employ more US workers. Of course, you take things out of context and make a rebuttle to a statement I never said.
My point was that not ALL the profits are going straigth to Japan. There ARE assembly plants here, dealerships with sales people, and many mechanics. That was the only point made. It just doesnt sound sensible to me to buy a car because of where its made. I choose a vehicle based on what I want out of it. I would THINK most people would do the same.
The main reason that domestic quality has improved so much, and continues to improve so much, is because of foreign competition, primarily the Japanese. In general, I think that's a good thing. The only 'unfair' I see is that it is much harder for a U.S. company to take up shop over their than it has been for Toyota, Honda, Nissan, et al to take up shop over here.
I think Scratch was probably referring to factory/assembly-line workers, not folks that work at dealerships. And he was likely referencing union vs non-union. Personally, I'll stick with the non-union every time. I think the non-union Auto Workers are doing pretty well.
Bob
as of right now, a chevy impala, ford taurus, and toyota camry are all of the same basic quality. i dont care what anyone says, i care what i see.Quote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
maybe a few years ago qualities were different but the domestic market realize they had lost millions by assuming that americans would still pay the same price for lesser quality simply because these cars were "american". the rapid profit loss has humbled ford and gm to say the least and has caused them to really step up their game all across the board.
Thats basically exactly what I just said. I said Toyota and Honda's quality surpassed GM and Ford's in this last decade. Now, seeing the mistake, GM and Ford improved build quality and overall reliability to get back the sales they lose to the imports. As bad as it has been for GM and Ford, it is better for us as a consumer now, because we are getting better vehicles from both GM and Ford, not just in quality but in overall coolness. GM is starting to make cool stuff again. I personally am anxious to see the new Camaro in person. Under $30k and 400hp... thats the kind of shit GM should be making.Quote:
Originally Posted by secondgearscratch
For reference, here is what I said beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
Or how about a car you can get for 11k with like 40k miles on it with 350hp lol slightly used of course
No used car looks like the new Camaro :spank:Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
I personally think the 98-02 T/A is far more beast looking than any camaro, I actually like the look of my car more then corvette as well.
same hereQuote:
Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
Well I think the opposite. I think the 98-02 Camaro's are much better looking. I dont like regular C5 vette look but I absolutely love the C5 Z06. Weird I know. Its hard to beat the looks of this:Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
http://www.alantripp.com/z06newwheels.jpg
Lol wow you think the camaros are better, wow, the ws6 has one of the best looks ever, i do like the camaros however, i see too many camaros, and Evos lol
i would hafta paint the back duct thats black.. i dont lke that... but c6 vettes i like bestQuote:
Originally Posted by EE1983Well I think the opposite. I think the 98-02 Camaro's are much better looking. I dont like regular C5 vette look but I absolutely love the C5 Z06. Weird I know. Its hard to beat the looks of this:
I like the C5 Z06 better than the C6s. But of course, the C6 Z06 takes everything down hehe
oh yeah.. i heard rumors of the 09 stingray edition packing an awd option... that would blow everything outta the water if it was true.. .but the price tags wayyyyyyyyyy highQuote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
Well they have a prototype done and its rear wheel and thats 110k so if it had AWD they would want like 130-140 lol.
This is true. They even had a segment on 20/20 or was it 60 minutes about how the US car companies have been improved intensely, but because of the past, they still carry a heavy, shitty rep.Quote:
Originally Posted by secondgearscratch
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jomo
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Thats not a very good reason not to buy an import to be honest. Just about all the import cars like Toyota, Honda, Nissan are assembled in factories here in the U.S. which employs American citizens. Ironically, there are many GM plants in Canada and Mexico
You should buy a car because it has the features, peformance and looks you want.
Close, but no cigar. I'll back up my viewpoint with cold, hard facts. Toyota, the world's largest non-American automaker, only employs approximately 10% of the number of U.S. citizens that GM does. I'm sorry, but I think I'd rather give my money to the millions of Americans working in the GM chain than give it to the thousands working in the foreign automakers' factories, offices, and suppliers shops.
None of this is meant to offend you EE or rag on you for buying an import; I just want to explain my position. I was laid off from a GM supplier for lack of work and when you feel the effect of our purchasing choices firsthand it tends to have an impact on your decisions.
I know there are WAY more GM workers in America than Toyota, I NEVER stated there wasnt. I merely said there are a lot of Americans employed by Toyota, my brother being one of them (mechanic). It just goes to the whole point of "buying American." I buy what I want, just like everyone else should. If an American car offered me what the EVO did, maybe I would have gotten that, but there was no American option and I wasnt going to settle for something I did not want. That's why I have an EVO. I sure as hell dont go out car shopping saying I will only look at imports because they're imports. I buy what I think is best for my needs/wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by RJWZ28
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Originally Posted by RJWZ28
This is what I said:
Thats not a very good reason not to buy an import to be honest. Just about all the import cars like Toyota, Honda, Nissan are assembled in factories here in the U.S. which employs American citizens. Ironically, there are many GM plants in Canada and Mexico
Close but no cigar? Everything I said is factual. You just went off saying Toyota ONLY employs 10% yada yada. Thats a different issue. No where in my statement did I say that Toyota employs a certain amount of workers or even more than any domestic company.
Close but no cigar for you :nono:
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Originally Posted by fwellingtonfiii
werdddddd.....they can be pretty deadly when built right
Anything can be built right, its just some cars are built right from factory. I dont understand taking 1 side in the import VS domestic disputes, i like some imports and i love american muscle but I do give the import kids there props. If your car is fast and built right i dont care what it is lets race or take it for a ride and have some fun. I like both imports and domestics so much I have a T/A and a Supra im trying to build both. I dont care what country its from as long as it can put my head back when I slam that gas.
someone linked me to a site a couple months back about the the big three and all thier finacial troubles. it mentioned in the article that Toyota is actually the worlds largest automaker and outsells American automakers in every global market. it also mentioned that Toyota has enough liquid assets to purchase GM, Ford and Chrystler. not that i give two shits because nothing Toyota has made since the supra has really given me a chub.
Not true, since the supra they came out with the slowica I mean celicaQuote:
Originally Posted by EVO 9
I like the IS300, but it doesnt give me a chub unless it has a huge turbo strapped to it
how could i forget about that fagwagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by JwMonE99
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Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
i concur....i like anything quick
whether a t/a or a camaro or a vette looks better or worse than each other is purely an opinion and is a stupid thing to debate.
i like what ive seen with toyota in this country because it seems that they are trying to contribute to this economy with more and more plants and more manufacturing state side. i have no real problem with toyota and i actually dont mind the newest tundra they put out-but i still wouldnt buy it over a chevy.
chrysler to me is just a cluster fuck and the experiences ive had with my dad having a chrysler product have left me pretty salty towards their attitude, service, and car quality. i cant speak of their cars from 2004 ,model year to present but my dad has an 03 voyager and i had a 2001 cirrus. things go haywire despite highway miles, light drivng, and proper maitenance at suggested intervals.
i have owned a toyota pick up that would not stop running, i owned a 94 explorer that took more shit than i could ever throw at it with one tranny rebuild and nasty sagging of the front i beam suspension, and all the chevy products ive owned have been reliable as hell.
my dsm was a piece of garbage. i suppose thats when i was through caring about imports and started viewing chrysler in the same manner....
oh well.
Agreed. In fact, I've found many newer Domestic cars that actually are much nicer quality than their import competition. In fact, the new GM truck interiors are so nice that Toyota had to delay the introduction of the Tundra last year at the last minute to redesign the interior in order to at least try and match the GM trucks. The tables have turned, finally.Quote:
Originally Posted by secondgearscratch
Exactly. With everyone buying imports, the Domestic manufacturers had to step up their game in order to win back customers. They had to make cars that were better than the imports, not just the equivelent.Quote:
maybe a few years ago qualities were different but the domestic market realize they had lost millions by assuming that americans would still pay the same price for lesser quality simply because these cars were "american". the rapid profit loss has humbled ford and gm to say the least and has caused them to really step up their game all across the board.
Well lets face it the early 90s late 80s camaros were crap
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Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
holy shit, i actually agree with something wesman said.
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I know, weird, isn't it?!?!? I've found myself thinking that exact same thought throughout this entire thread.
You guys arent alone :drivin:Quote:
Originally Posted by RJWZ28
Wow, that's hilarious!!! I got my first warning bickering with Wesman, and now me, an Evo driver and a Mustang driver all find ourselves agreeing with the guy who just might be the most commonly disagreed with member on this site!!!
So I raced my friends Turbo AWD DSM for the first time tonight from 45-100. Well he passed me at first and got about a car on me, up to 90 he had me by two, but I stopped his pull then and by 100 I was sloowwwwwly creeping, but nothing close enough to catch him. So yeah at 100 we both cut off for the red light......
Oh yeah and I was in the 3.8 :whistle:
lol,I was gonna say he must have some mods
144mph fast for a dragster? at our tracks, people are running 150+mph like nothing.
What are there times?
DSMs are the import world's 5.0.
Make that the AWD DSM
no way...Bseries hondaQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Arnold
My friend has a B18 in a "bubble", its slow as shit. He has full bolt ons, cams, 5 speed, rear seats delete. I don't see the point of swapping a motor if you're still going to be running 15's :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nevrlift
Personally if I was to go import, I think I would go with a Nissan
SUBARU (if I had to)
Reason: Subaru is owned by Fuji Heavy Industries, which until last year was owned 42% or so by General Motors. I'm a huge GM loyalist. Oh, and I think the 2005 WRX STi (not to be confused with the newer STI which came with the newer , uglier face) would be an awesome winter commuter car.
Man this thread has gone WAY off track :spank:
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My fiancee says she likes VWs, preferably the New Beetle (with a ragtop for sure!!!)
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Originally Posted by RJWZ28
Yeah a lot of people LOVE Volkswagens. I do not know why. They are probably the most unreliable new cars EVER. They are a nightmare to work on as well and the parts for them are ridiculously expensive. Horrible quality. My sister had a Beetle (shes 20) and one of my other sisters (31) has a GTI. All they do is break and they are relatively brand new..?
LMAOOOO......yea i dont get it myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Because without the motor swap it ran high 18s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Holy shit, someone finally said something intelligent! ::woo:Quote:
Originally Posted by jperkins812
Speaking of VW
I would much rather have a VW than any Jap car, the new GTI MKV would be a great daily driver. Haven't heard any real reliability issues with them as of yet, and its actually good looking, unlike just about anything Japanese.Quote:
Originally Posted by EE1983
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Originally Posted by Wesman
i agree...i love VW/Audi...looks and the perfomance...AWD turbos etc...
The Germans make some damn nice cars. They have their issues of course, but overall they are some world class vehicles. They know the right formulas for performance, twin turbo 6 cylinders, V8's, even their turbo 4 cylinders are designed so that the turbo spools at 1800RPM for increased low end, unlike 3,000 or 4,000RPM like Japanese 4 bangers. Most of their cars are RWD or AWD, too. Downsides are parts are espensive, they can be a real bitch to work on, and they have some reliability issues. Thats common for most imports though.Quote:
Originally Posted by nevrlift
I have 2 VW's in the family, Im actually talking from experience with reliability. A good amount of my friends have VW's too. There is a huge following of them down in this area. Also, my other sister has a 2006 Audi A4 which is very nice and high quality. They seem to not have the reliability issues of the VWs. Looks are subjective, I wasnt talking about the way VW looked. Although, not a big fan of my sisters Beetle :barfonu:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
I told her I'll buy her a Beetle 'vert, and we'll even get a pink one or paint it that way. One stipulation: I get a winter alone with the car... in the garage. :firedevil:
Yes, they provide low end power because their turbos are the size of a blow dryer and make 200hp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
A car with some low end power and thats pretty awesome is the BMW 335i. It is a 3.0L 6cyl twin turbo. Makes max toruqe from 1500rpm to 5000rpm. They put down around 280whp stock, (only rated 300hp though!) and with a flash are making over 350! They start at 40k though...
This Beetle will have power all over the place! ha ha ha! It'll be cute, pink, and blow the doors off cocky punks in their 'stangs trying to check out my pretty little wife
:eek2: :zoom:
As for the subaru comment, they suck, if you want to do anything to the motor you cant get at anything literally, they are horrible cars if you want to go past bolt ons.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
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Originally Posted by Wesman
trying to talk the wifey into an A6 instead of a Acura TL
