Eagle talon killing everybody at the track

[BULLET_WS6]

uh oh!!! no u didnt on a gm forum...LOL...all the texans are gonna jump yo ass now!!!!!

nah cuz he has a point... i buy a nice car if its a nice car... if i wanted just speed id go for some of thoseimport lil shits ... been there done that.. sound of a turbo is satisfying andi miss it a lil... but the sound of a cammed out v8 is evenbetter... combine the two andid be one happy mofo not to mention my vin still starts with a 1 so thats obviously all that matters... muahaha

[EE1983]

uh oh!!! no u didnt on a gm forum...LOL...all the texans are gonna jump yo ass now!!!!!

I did and its the truth. If all the Honda and Toyotas were assembled in Japan, I could see an argument, but not here. The more cars Toyota sells, the more dealers will open, which need mechanics, sales people, managers, parts, etc. Same for GM.

[93 Trans Paz]

Imagine if they dumped that money into an F-body...

Has to be one of the most biased comments I have ever read on this site. It is actually hilarious. Anytime someone posts about a import being faster than a domestic, someone always says, imagine if you put the same amount of parts into the domestic, it would be faster. You don't know that until you actually try it. I don't know one person that has taken their RWD camaro and turned it into AWD, then straped on twin turbo, and raced it.

[BLKCLOUD]

You should buy a car because it has the features, peformance and looks you want.

I disagree - he should buy a car for whatever reason he wants to buy a car for. Doesn't matter if it is because of where it was (or was not) built, what nameplate is stuck on it, how fast it is, what it looks like, what features it has, etc.

His money, his priorities, his wants/needs/biases, and his choice.

Bob

[EE1983]

I disagree - he should buy a car for whatever reason he wants to buy a car for. Doesn't matter if it is because of where it was (or was not) built, what nameplate is stuck on it, how fast it is, what it looks like, what features it has, etc.

His money, his priorities, his wants/needs/biases, and his choice.

Bob

Thats true. I guess something like that just doesnt make sense sometimes. When I buy a house, a car, food, or even a toy, I look at just about everything except where it's made unless that has a direct impact on its quality. But hey, you are right, his money, his choice.

[JwMonE99]

Has to be one of the most biased comments I have ever read on this site. It is actually hilarious. Anytime someone posts about a import being faster than a domestic, someone always says, imagine if you put the same amount of parts into the domestic, it would be faster. You don't know that until you actually try it. I don't know one person that has taken their RWD camaro and turned it into AWD, then straped on twin turbo, and raced it.

Mod for mod the V8 with always win. Unless the 4 banger import had a lot more mods then a V8 f-body it would win.

[EE1983]

Mod for mod the V8 with always win. Unless the 4 banger import had a lot more mods then a V8 f-body it would win.

Eh, depending on the import, doesnt have to have "A LOT" more mods, especially if you include 6-banger imports.

[1LE4ME]

There's a guy at a local track running 150+ mph trap speeds in a talon. That thing scoots, but he did break something the last time a saw him run. It was a while ago. But any car running 150+ is inevitably going to have problems.

[MikeSomething]

My friend has a 1990 Talon and o man, it's gonna be fast once it's tuned. AWD & big turbo. Of course, the axles they make aren't the great and even a race trans made for them isn't all that wonderful.

[EE1983]

My friend has a 1990 Talon and o man, it's gonna be fast once it's tuned. AWD & big turbo. Of course, the axles they make aren't the great and even a race trans made for them isn't all that wonderful.

The axles are fine and do not break from power unless its A LOT of power. My brother has over 200,000 on the stock axles with most of the power over 400whp. The transmissions are junk stock and need to be built to handle real power.

[2000T/A Guru]

Ok then i liek imports, hell my supra is faster than my T/A and I was dead even with my T/A after i had spent eh around 5k, i got the car for 3k, so i spent 7,000 on my 87 supra and ran dead even with my own T/A, i now have about what i spent on my T/A into the car, and run constant 11s. Spent 12k all together on a built 5 speed, cams, turbo, motor and suspension, rear gears. And some other things. However i love the T/A and enjoy driving it far more than the supra.

[MikeSomething]

The axles are fine and do not break from power unless its A LOT of power. My brother has over 200,000 on the stock axles with most of the power over 400whp. The transmissions are junk stock and need to be built to handle real power.

Tom, this car is putting down more man. They make what, a 6bolt aftermarket? He's already got the beefed up racing trans, but I heard even they don't hold up real well. Well, we'll see what happens, ya know?

[secondgearscratch]

So they took a car that had AWD gutted it out, slap a fart can muffler in it, remove the A/C make it as light as possible and drop some money into the motor huh

an awd first gen talon weighs a few hundred more pounds than an f body. there are alot of things, light not being one of them.

Mod for mod the V8 with always win. Unless the 4 banger import had a lot more mods then a V8 f-body it would win.

dude who cares. that isnt what the thread was about....

Thats not a very good reason not to buy an import to be honest. Just about all the import cars like Toyota, Honda, Nissan are assembled in factories here in the U.S. which employs American citizens. Ironically, there are many GM plants in Canada and Mexico

You should buy a car because it has the features, peformance and looks you want.

i partially agree but the foreign auto industry in america doesnt (or hasnt thus far) taken hardly any care of their employees (not that ford or gm are much better) and in addtion are still a foreign entity. they will never be unilaterally accepted, sad but true.

i dont buy for a second that any of the most common automobiles by the larger auto makers are of any greater or poorer quality (in general) than their competitons. ive seen just as many good american cars as i have shitty imports and vice versa.

just my .02

[EE1983]

Tom, this car is putting down more man. They make what, a 6bolt aftermarket? He's already got the beefed up racing trans, but I heard even they don't hold up real well. Well, we'll see what happens, ya know?

I bet it is. The point I was making was its going to have to put down A LOT more than 400whp and be launching on slicks to break the axles.

[EE1983]

an awd first gen talon weighs a few hundred more pounds than an f body. there are alot of things, light not being one of them.

1G AWD Dsm's weight around 3250lbs. They are lighter than an Fbody.

i partially agree but the foreign auto industry in america doesnt (or hasnt thus far) taken hardly any care of their employees (not that ford or gm are much better) and in addtion are still a foreign entity. they will never be unilaterally accepted, sad but true.

Do you have any information to back that up? My brother worked at Ford for 5 years and now works at Toyota. He is a mechanic. He has the same exact benefits, nothing more, nothing less. Health, dental, 401k, etc. Are you referring to some sort of other treatment?

i dont buy for a second that any of the most common automobiles by the larger auto makers are of any greater or poorer quality (in general) than their competitons. ive seen just as many good american cars as i have shitty imports and vice versa.

just my .02

This is not up for debate really. Its been proven time and time again that domestic car's quality had gone down. That is why GM and Ford are losing money, market share and customers. Good news is they are improving a this is why GM now offers 100k mile warranties, because they are trying to prove to people their quality is good again, and it is. The newer GM and Ford vehicles have improved build quality and reliable and its starting to show - hopefully it will help them in the coming years to get back on track.

[jperkins812]

V8's be built cheaper than a 4 cylinder pretty much anytime you look at it, but the technology used to attain the same horsepower is is far superior in 4 cylinders. I only say this because how else would you explain the fact of making a 4cyl. run as fast as it does. You can make a reliable DSM, but most people either do not have the money or just cut corners and fix it when it breaks. A good example of one is Evil Eagle, his last engine had 850 passes on it with 78K before he took it out to build another motor. This car runs 9.50's @153 in the quarter, and this car is daily driven. Any car is only as good as you build it and that is a fact. You can call me a ricer if you please, because it does not bother me. I respect any car that is built and can put down numbers to prove it. Personally if you want to fast for the cheapest amount of money spent, then go out and buy a motorcycle.

[Wesman]

Thats not a very good reason not to buy an import to be honest. Just about all the import cars like Toyota, Honda, Nissan are assembled in factories here in the U.S. which employs American citizens. Ironically, there are many GM plants in Canada and Mexico

You should buy a car because it has the features, peformance and looks you want.

GM, Ford, and DCX still employ more Americans than all the Japanese import companies put together. Its not even a comparison, I hate when people open this can of worms

When you buy a Japanese car, the profits from selling that car go back to Japan. That supports the Japanese economy, and its people as well.

When you buy a Domestic vehicle, it supports the US economy. You know, the country that we live in. Not some foreign country and foreign people. That in turn ultimately supports us. Keep the money in your own country, why give it away to foreigners??

We have free trade of course, so people can buy what they like, all I'm saying is take into consideration where your money is going before you make a decision. Its ignorant and stupid to buy a car "just because its Japanese" or "just because its an import".

[EE1983]

GM, Ford, and DCX still employ more Americans than all the Japanese import companies put together. Its not even a comparison, I hate when people open this can of worms

When you buy a Japanese car, the profits from selling that car go back to Japan. That supports the Japanese economy, and its people as well.

When you buy a Domestic vehicle, it supports the US economy. You know, the country that we live in. Not some foreign country and foreign people. That in turn ultimately supports us. Keep the money in your own country, why give it away to foreigners??

We have free trade of course, so people can buy what they like, all I'm saying is take into consideration where your money is going before you make a decision. Its ignorant and stupid to buy a car "just because its Japanese" or "just because its an import".

I never said any of the import companies employ more US workers. Of course, you take things out of context and make a rebuttle to a statement I never said.

My point was that not ALL the profits are going straigth to Japan. There ARE assembly plants here, dealerships with sales people, and many mechanics. That was the only point made. It just doesnt sound sensible to me to buy a car because of where its made. I choose a vehicle based on what I want out of it. I would THINK most people would do the same.

[BLKCLOUD]

The main reason that domestic quality has improved so much, and continues to improve so much, is because of foreign competition, primarily the Japanese. In general, I think that's a good thing. The only 'unfair' I see is that it is much harder for a U.S. company to take up shop over their than it has been for Toyota, Honda, Nissan, et al to take up shop over here.

I think Scratch was probably referring to factory/assembly-line workers, not folks that work at dealerships. And he was likely referencing union vs non-union. Personally, I'll stick with the non-union every time. I think the non-union Auto Workers are doing pretty well.

Bob

[secondgearscratch]

1G AWD Dsm's weight around 3250lbs. They are lighter than an Fbody.


i guess i misread my owners manual...you are right. gd that is insane!



Do you have any information to back that up? My brother worked at Ford for 5 years and now works at Toyota. He is a mechanic. He has the same exact benefits, nothing more, nothing less. Health, dental, 401k, etc. Are you referring to some sort of other treatment?

i will get the info im referring to.

This is not up for debate really. Its been proven time and time again that domestic car's quality had gone down. That is why GM and Ford are losing money, market share and customers. Good news is they are improving a this is why GM now offers 100k mile warranties, because they are trying to prove to people their quality is good again, and it is. The newer GM and Ford vehicles have improved build quality and reliable and its starting to show - hopefully it will help them in the coming years to get back on track.

as of right now, a chevy impala, ford taurus, and toyota camry are all of the same basic quality. i dont care what anyone says, i care what i see.

maybe a few years ago qualities were different but the domestic market realize they had lost millions by assuming that americans would still pay the same price for lesser quality simply because these cars were "american". the rapid profit loss has humbled ford and gm to say the least and has caused them to really step up their game all across the board.