Eagle talon killing everybody at the track

**EE1983** · 08-14-2007, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

as of right now, a chevy impala, ford taurus, and toyota camry are all of the same basic quality. i dont care what anyone says, i care what i see.

maybe a few years ago qualities were different but the domestic market realize they had lost millions by assuming that americans would still pay the same price for lesser quality simply because these cars were "american". the rapid profit loss has humbled ford and gm to say the least and has caused them to really step up their game all across the board.

Thats basically exactly what I just said. I said Toyota and Honda's quality surpassed GM and Ford's in this last decade. Now, seeing the mistake, GM and Ford improved build quality and overall reliability to get back the sales they lose to the imports. As bad as it has been for GM and Ford, it is better for us as a consumer now, because we are getting better vehicles from both GM and Ford, not just in quality but in overall coolness. GM is starting to make cool stuff again. I personally am anxious to see the new Camaro in person. Under $30k and 400hp... thats the kind of shit GM should be making.

For reference, here is what I said before

Originally Posted by EE1983

"Good news is they are improving a this is why GM now offers 100k mile warranties, because they are trying to prove to people their quality is good again, and it is. The newer GM and Ford vehicles have improved build quality and reliable and its starting to show - hopefully it will help them in the coming years to get back on track."

**2000T/A Guru** · 08-14-2007, 11:29 AM

Or how about a car you can get for 11k with like 40k miles on it with 350hp lol slightly used of course

**EE1983** · 08-14-2007, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru

Or how about a car you can get for 11k with like 40k miles on it with 350hp lol slightly used of course

No used car looks like the new Camaro

**2000T/A Guru** · 08-14-2007, 11:42 AM

I personally think the 98-02 T/A is far more beast looking than any camaro, I actually like the look of my car more then corvette as well.

**BULLET_WS6** · 08-14-2007, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru

I personally think the 98-02 T/A is far more beast looking than any camaro, I actually like the look of my car more then corvette as well.

same here

**EE1983** · 08-14-2007, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru

I personally think the 98-02 T/A is far more beast looking than any camaro, I actually like the look of my car more then corvette as well.

Well I think the opposite. I think the 98-02 Camaro's are much better looking. I dont like regular C5 vette look but I absolutely love the C5 Z06. Weird I know. Its hard to beat the looks of this:

**2000T/A Guru** · 08-14-2007, 12:10 PM

Lol wow you think the camaros are better, wow, the ws6 has one of the best looks ever, i do like the camaros however, i see too many camaros, and Evos lol

**BULLET_WS6** · 08-14-2007, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by EE1983

Well I think the opposite. I think the 98-02 Camaro's are much better looking. I dont like regular C5 vette look but I absolutely love the C5 Z06. Weird I know. Its hard to beat the looks of this:

i would hafta paint the back duct thats black.. i dont lke that... but c6 vettes i like best

**EE1983** · 08-14-2007, 12:20 PM

I like the C5 Z06 better than the C6s. But of course, the C6 Z06 takes everything down hehe

**BULLET_WS6** · 08-14-2007, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by EE1983

I like the C5 Z06 better than the C6s. But of course, the C6 Z06 takes everything down hehe

oh yeah.. i heard rumors of the 09 stingray edition packing an awd option... that would blow everything outta the water if it was true.. .but the price tags wayyyyyyyyyy high

**2000T/A Guru** · 08-14-2007, 12:41 PM

Well they have a prototype done and its rear wheel and thats 110k so if it had AWD they would want like 130-140 lol.

**AKIRA** · 08-14-2007, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

as of right now, a chevy impala, ford taurus, and toyota camry are all of the same basic quality. i dont care what anyone says, i care what i see.

maybe a few years ago qualities were different but the domestic market realize they had lost millions by assuming that americans would still pay the same price for lesser quality simply because these cars were "american". the rapid profit loss has humbled ford and gm to say the least and has caused them to really step up their game all across the board.

This is true. They even had a segment on 20/20 or was it 60 minutes about how the US car companies have been improved intensely, but because of the past, they still carry a heavy, shitty rep.

**cavpat** · 08-14-2007, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by jomo

Not just any DSM, any car. I am sure many guys here have broke a thing or two on thier cars as well when they are trapping 144mph.

I agree.

**RJWZ28** · 08-15-2007, 06:25 AM

Thats not a very good reason not to buy an import to be honest. Just about all the import cars like Toyota, Honda, Nissan are assembled in factories here in the U.S. which employs American citizens. Ironically, there are many GM plants in Canada and Mexico

You should buy a car because it has the features, peformance and looks you want.

Close, but no cigar. I'll back up my viewpoint with cold, hard facts. Toyota, the world's largest non-American automaker, only employs approximately 10% of the number of U.S. citizens that GM does. I'm sorry, but I think I'd rather give my money to the millions of Americans working in the GM chain than give it to the thousands working in the foreign automakers' factories, offices, and suppliers shops.

**RJWZ28** · 08-15-2007, 06:28 AM

None of this is meant to offend you EE or rag on you for buying an import; I just want to explain my position. I was laid off from a GM supplier for lack of work and when you feel the effect of our purchasing choices firsthand it tends to have an impact on your decisions.

**EE1983** · 08-15-2007, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by RJWZ28

None of this is meant to offend you EE or rag on you for buying an import; I just want to explain my position. I was laid off from a GM supplier for lack of work and when you feel the effect of our purchasing choices firsthand it tends to have an impact on your decisions.

I know there are WAY more GM workers in America than Toyota, I NEVER stated there wasnt. I merely said there are a lot of Americans employed by Toyota, my brother being one of them (mechanic). It just goes to the whole point of "buying American." I buy what I want, just like everyone else should. If an American car offered me what the EVO did, maybe I would have gotten that, but there was no American option and I wasnt going to settle for something I did not want. That's why I have an EVO. I sure as hell dont go out car shopping saying I will only look at imports because they're imports. I buy what I think is best for my needs/wants.

**EE1983** · 08-15-2007, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by RJWZ28

Close, but no cigar. I'll back up my viewpoint with cold, hard facts. Toyota, the world's largest non-American automaker, only employs approximately 10% of the number of U.S. citizens that GM does. I'm sorry, but I think I'd rather give my money to the millions of Americans working in the GM chain than give it to the thousands working in the foreign automakers' factories, offices, and suppliers shops.

This is what I said:
Thats not a very good reason not to buy an import to be honest. Just about all the import cars like Toyota, Honda, Nissan are assembled in factories here in the U.S. which employs American citizens. Ironically, there are many GM plants in Canada and Mexico

Close but no cigar? Everything I said is factual. You just went off saying Toyota ONLY employs 10% yada yada. Thats a different issue. No where in my statement did I say that Toyota employs a certain amount of workers or even more than any domestic company.

Close but no cigar for you

**nevrlift** · 08-15-2007, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by fwellingtonfiii

awd + massive turbo + $$$ + a little knowhow = rocketship.
dsm's can be made quick by the right people. I got a buddy who insists on running 20 lbs of boost on his untuned talon, and gets fuel cutoff at 3 grand, but hey, who wants to spend 300 dollars for a tune so your car will work right, right?

werdddddd.....they can be pretty deadly when built right

**2000T/A Guru** · 08-15-2007, 08:50 AM

Anything can be built right, its just some cars are built right from factory. I dont understand taking 1 side in the import VS domestic disputes, i like some imports and i love american muscle but I do give the import kids there props. If your car is fast and built right i dont care what it is lets race or take it for a ride and have some fun. I like both imports and domestics so much I have a T/A and a Supra im trying to build both. I dont care what country its from as long as it can put my head back when I slam that gas.

**EVO 9** · 08-15-2007, 09:09 AM

someone linked me to a site a couple months back about the the big three and all thier finacial troubles. it mentioned in the article that Toyota is actually the worlds largest automaker and outsells American automakers in every global market. it also mentioned that Toyota has enough liquid assets to purchase GM, Ford and Chrystler. not that i give two shits because nothing Toyota has made since the supra has really given me a chub.