Manual or Automatic???

[LETHALxLS1]

Here is my opinion on it:
A4-better for drag racing, easy to launch, stall converters are cheap and really wake up the car. Easier on stock rear also. Don't have to think about drving or mastering clutch on hills etc.
M6-Much better top end gearing-better mpg-M6 is strong if right clutch, but the clutch is not cheap. More fun to drive since you have more control.

I have a A4, but always had manuals until the Z28..had foot surgery so the M6 was out of the question. I do miss the control I had with the manual cars, but launching at the track with the A4 is super easy. If my car never seen the track then a M6 might be my choice if my foot wasn't full of screws.

same reason I got an auto health issues. I would take a 6 speed in a second if my back wasnt screwed.

[Too Fast]

not to hate i fell like the automatic army around here but you say auto are that slow. if you go to some races most of the time m6's will bitch before the race about autos. i admit some can really drive a stick but most dont. they wont win 10 out of 10 probly half. but even after all this talk if you want to dominate get a stall convertor and then youll be sure your over a 1/2 sec then any stock f body. auto or M6......

That's true. When you start modifying a car it goes faster (hopefully, unless you are talking about putting in a turbonater or a Slowmaster muffler!).
Anyone can take a car and change it to how they want it to be.
I am saying if you take a stock AT car vs. stock MT car, almost always the MT is quicker with better gas MPG.

[greatwhiteZ28]

I keep hearing everyone say flowmaster dont flow well but I mean how much difference can it be 2 hp? and I am not comparing it to a LM which is a straight pipe.

well you can compare it to a stock car with a stock muffler and only see 1 hp or 2 loss if any, but when you add headers,new manifold, or even H/c that 1 hp loss could be a 10 hp loss if you dont have a good cat back or muffler on it whcih flows.

this is should be in a different thread

[LETHALxLS1]

well you can compare it to a stock car with a stock muffler and only see 1 hp or 2 loss if any, but when you add headers,new manifold, or even H/c that 1 hp loss could be a 10 hp loss if you dont have a good cat back or muffler on it whcih flows.

this is should be in a different thread

why should this be in a different thread? I only commented on what the guy above said. Whats the deal??

[Wesman]

i've only driven manuals and my dad taught me when i was 12. (3 on the tree)
you older guys well know what i mean. so i looked high and low for a hardtop m6. to me manuals are like blondes- way more fun! but in a traffic jam i'd kill to have an auto some times.

but rikki i'm not diggin on you but i've driven sticks for almost 14 years and it took me a good two months to master the third gear in these cars. third is so easy to miss its not funny. i hate to hear you can't get a 6 but if your ever my way you can drive mine!

my vote M6

3rd gear is a bitch with the stock Hurst shifter. Often times you'll either hit the gate and miss the gear completely, or end up in 5th gear.

I upgraded my stock Hurst to a Pro 5.0, no more problems hitting 3rd. Just point and shoot, and it slides right in no matter how fast you're shifting

[Wesman]

prove it.

well, consider for a second what you just said. you drive a jeep. vastly different than an f body in every way. i had an 86 toyota pickup 4 speed. 190,000 miles on the factory clutch. i didnt go launching it and drag racing.

tell me what kind of transmission you think they are running 9s with. this is where you auto guys sometimes get misguided.

a 4l60e isnt going into the 9s. it isnt going into the 10s. it may go into the 11s. that transmission is weak. usually people source a 4l80e for starters. then as they go faster they ditch the 4 speed for a th 400 or a powerglide. faster than that they ditch those for liberty hybrid transmissions that i have little idea how they work. the 4l60e isnt going to go that far at all.

the t56 however can get rebuilt and be good deep into the 10s, and 9s im not sure about. sure it gets expensive blowing clutches on 10 second passes but that has little to do with the transmission.

either way, the debate rages on. i dont think there is a right answer, i'd take an auto in an ls1 if that was all i could find and make it work. whats important is the ls1 under the hood.

x3

[LETHALxLS1]

prove it.



well, consider for a second what you just said. you drive a jeep. vastly different than an f body in every way. i had an 86 toyota pickup 4 speed. 190,000 miles on the factory clutch. i didnt go launching it and drag racing.



tell me what kind of transmission you think they are running 9s with. this is where you auto guys sometimes get misguided.

a 4l60e isnt going into the 9s. it isnt going into the 10s. it may go into the 11s. that transmission is weak. usually people source a 4l80e for starters. then as they go faster they ditch the 4 speed for a th 400 or a powerglide. faster than that they ditch those for liberty hybrid transmissions that i have little idea how they work. the 4l60e isnt going to go that far at all.

the t56 however can get rebuilt and be good deep into the 10s, and 9s im not sure about. sure it gets expensive blowing clutches on 10 second passes but that has little to do with the transmission.

either way, the debate rages on. i dont think there is a right answer, i'd take an auto in an ls1 if that was all i could find and make it work. whats important is the ls1 under the hood.

This just isnt so. There is a trans am here in Florida that has made hundreds of low 9 second passes(a 9 even I believe) with a 4l60e that the guy built himself. The car takes off HARD- so hard it has dragged the rear bumper before. The cars driver (the guys wife) is a member here-LS1Queen.

[secondgearscratch]

This just isnt so. There is a trans am here in Florida that has made hundreds of low 9 second passes(a 9 even I believe) with a 4l60e that the guy built himself. The car takes off HARD- so hard it has dragged the rear bumper before. The cars driver (the guys wife) is a member here-LS1Queen.

one example.......

i can give you countless people running 10s on the t56.

[LETHALxLS1]

Here are some more

https://www.700r4l60e.com/video_abare3.html
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GHOSTRACER03-05-2005, 06:24 AM
10.8's, stock displacement LS1, 4l60E, 10 bolt. Looking for 9's this year with new High Compression motor (stock displacement) and same combo.

BTW, daily driver @ 3700lbs+ with driver.
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badass 2002 z2803-05-2005, 12:18 PM
I went 10.50's with a 4L60E, 10-bolt and drag radials
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Swollen Journal03-08-2005, 09:06 PM
I put down 410 to the wheels (on a blown torque converter ) and that car gets its guts kicked out. The only reason I had to rebuild the tranny (now good for up to 850 hp ) is because the converter leaked so bad. I'll never change it out... I'll run 10.50s all day on a built 10 bolt too.
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99 1LE SS03-11-2005, 07:57 AM
Im still on the stock 4L60e (36000 miles). only thing i did was put a trans go shift kit and a tranny cooler in. i cut 1.4x 60's and run 10.80,s. oh yea still on the stock untouched 10 bolt too!

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SDB04-17-2005, 01:29 PM
Rossler 4L60E, 10 bolt with stud kit and preload bearing cover...runs 10's all day long with 4000 lb race weight...
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And several more- http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/archiv.../t-284185.html

[99SSls1]

i had a 94 formula m6 loved it . . . i now have a 99 SS its an A4 its a fun car but the auto gets boring after awhile eventually i may convert to the m6 . . . only reason i got the a4 was lack of m6's for sale at the time. . . after i put in my stall it may be fun again. . .

[LETHALxLS1]

I am going to buy a m6 soon if things go right. I bought the auto cause of my back surgery but I think I can handle a stick again.

[BULLET_WS6]

i have nothing wrong with autos.. just personally i dont feel in control so all my cars have been manual... if i were to build a dedicated drag car i would probably do auto if i go into the 10's

[Z ROADSTER]

Well , back in the nineties I just had to have a 5-speed 5.0 Stang convertible . Bought a 94 creampuff loaded out with every option. AFR heads ,306 c.i.d.,headers/off road H-pipe, pro 5.0 shifter, edelbrock intake/big throttle body, MSD Pro-Billet distrbutor/& ignition with glass-pacs. Loved it .Ran low to mid 13's on street tires,a decent ride. Many many good races. One day I found myself next to a beautiful black WS6 with automatic.When the light changed I cut a perfect start just hazing the tires & so did he. I then power shifted through all the gears perfectly right at 6250 RPM. We ran as if our fenders were welded together , all the way thru 4 gears, probably about 105MPH. My top was down & his tee-tops were off. As I glanced over after slamming second gear he looked like he was just takin a sunday cruise while I'm over here jerkin gears like a mad man . It was an even race ,all the way. The only difference was I was havin to work my ass off while he on the other hand was kicked back smokin a weed. Thats when I decided I was gonna get me a fast automatic & be cool like him.Wanna race? No sweat ! Just stab & steer. Don't have to worry about missin third gear or anything else really,just enjoy the race & watch the other guy with the manual work his ass off .Its a lot easier to banzi out of the hole with an automatic.Thats way guys with manuals always want to PUNCH from a roll.

[Qwk94Z28]

i think i've owned maybe 2 auto vehicles wouldn't have it if it wasn't a stick.

i think i've missed a shift twice in my car, got a b&M style shifter compared to a ball shifter

my friend with a shift kit had nothing on me from a 35 roll

m6 FTW

[jeremy_m70]

The M6 is the best to me. Having a auto in a sports car to me is like have training wheels on a bike. When you race with a auto, your racing the car mostly, but when you race a manual, your racing the car and driver.

I love the control of the manual and MPG to boot. Nothing says hello like down shifting or the ease of revving up to a pony car. (You sure as hell do not want to blow the sissy ass factory horn, I did once and it was also the last time. It was the only time I was embarrassed to be in my car. WTF was GM thinking??)

I'm not knocking auto's, they do have their perks. I don't drag race professionally, and if I did, I would have a auto for the consistency.

As far as a solid answer to which is best (universally), there is no right answer. It is a matter of your application, ability, and personal likes. I am blessed to have no physical disabilities to keep me from driving a manual and to be more than a steering wheel holder. I love the challenge of the manual and the fact that the power is in my hand. I believe we all can agree to disagree. But my personal vote is manual ATW.

[Too Fast]

(You sure as hell do not want to blow the sissy ass factory horn, I did once and it was also the last time. It was the only time I was embarrassed to be in my car. WTF was GM thinking??)

I bet only your high note horn is working, common problem, and it does sound gay as hell when only the high note is working. I've replaced my low note 3 years ago and it is starting to go bad again.

[jeremy_m70]

I bet only your high note horn is working, common problem, and it does sound gay as hell when only the high note is working. I've replaced my low note 3 years ago and it is starting to go bad again.

Thanks for info Too Fast. I bought the car used in 99 with around 20K on it, I guess I assumed that the horn was working fine since it was almost like new. I'm glad to know GM didn't do that on purpose but sad to know what shitty horns they did put on it though. But at least I got a LS1

[Madcity T/A]

M6 for me it just makes you feel like you are one with the car. Also I think that everyone 16-18 has to drive stick so they can't be talking on teh phone or doing makup or being complete

[greatwhiteZ28]

i think i've owned maybe 2 auto vehicles wouldn't have it if it wasn't a stick.

i think i've missed a shift twice in my car, got a b&M style shifter compared to a ball shifter

my friend with a shift kit had nothing on me from a 35 roll

m6 FTW

yea on a roll! thats were the comparrision goes hands down to the m6

[greatwhiteZ28]

trust had both witha Z and a TA and i won more races witha A4. and the excuse always with the manual is " yea it won casue it was a auto"