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It's never ending.... At least I hope it's never ending.
Last year we were all going nuts over the idea of 305hp in a V6 pony car, if you can still call them that.
This year we shall welcome the introduction of the 323hp V6 "pony" car
45th aniv Camaro to get 323hp V6
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/13/c...th-more-power/
Yep. It's the 60s all over again. Let the war commence.
:firedevil: 660!!!! DOHC :firedevil:
Somehow I knew this would give Smittro a woodie. :) It is amazing how the V6's have climbed in output -- used to need a turbo to do that back in the day.
Making more with less is the name of the game now. I wonder how far this will go?
looks nice.
Hmm let's see how fast 323 hp can pull a 4000lb car
I'm pretty sure the all aluminum DI 3.6L DOHC is subtantially lighter than the LSx 427..;)Quote:
Originally Posted by blackbird0230
It doesn't matter as the land barge they've put it into handicaps the V6's truely inspiring level of performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
Only way I'd have a 5th gen is as an LS3/M6. Nothing else makes sense...
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQnz9bPXwco&feature=related[/ame]
To you..;):angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS
if it was in a car that was 500-600 lbs less (more? 1k lbs?) in weight I might be interested...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
Can't argue there even with the weight savings it's a lead sled..Quote:
Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS
This or a version of 660 DOHC v6 should have been a 4th gen option Imho..:sulk:
But then again they had to sell LS1's too..:lol:
Someone should drop one of these into a 4th gen.... i'm looking at you smittro
323 HP....but how's the torque? What's the dyno curve?
Kinda pointless if the majority of your RPMs are 200-250 HP, then a sudden spike to 323 at 6500 RPMs
mer. gimme a bump in the ss hp.
They just need to put porky on a diet...Quote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
I'm heavily considering something in the Northstar dohc v8 platforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by LSCyaL8R
But a 3.6l is looking better all the time..:seesaw:
A family friend of ours has a 10 v6 Camaro 6spd..
I like the car.. I also like the low roof line.
That is till I got into it.. Felt like the drivers seat of a sherman tank..:lol:
But the ride quality and handling was a night and day step up from the 3rd and 4th gens I've had..
Hard to compete with a fully independant suspension even if we are lighter..
iirc, Early platform tests also indicated that the v6 5th gen handles better than the SS 5th gen also..
how aboot both a diet and mo powa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Packy
that and get them back in our time frame... they seem to be stuck half way in the past...Quote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
alright lets try to sum this up. around 3500 pounds, 450+hp, modern styling, factory gearing options, a cheap base price v8, and an automatic that doesnt take 10 years to shift. (throw that in there for the guys who cant drive a manual).Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaz
alright somebody forward this to GM.
the A6 from a vette would be nice... paddle shifters... shorter over all height... maybe 45" tall and 4" wider overall... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
isn't it the same trans? the trans in the camaro is good, it's the awful tuning that handicaps it horribly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaz
:dunno: i dunno...Quote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
I wonder what the ZL1 is going to cost?
I also thought 2012 was the yr that they switch to the Alpha platform, what happen?
If you have to ask you don't want to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMWS6TA
I see around 48k
No 660 dohc runs a curve like you discribed..;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spikito
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Xt_7yiYWo&NR=1[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLxnVANoJK0&feature=related[/ame]
I know the Camaros at the New York Auto Show will be mobbed. My gut says so.
:lmao::lmao:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1eTde1eIAE[/ame]
Did I hear right "Haha I smoke him?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
Does this dumbass know he barely beat a V6 with a V8 GT?
:yup: that's what made me laugh.. He's rippin' (lol) through the gears and there's that little V6 @ his door almost the whole time..:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SMWS6TA
I almost willing to bet that if the Camaro had different tires and a little better launch he might have got him.
Agree, or even a set of tubes and pipes and walk away nicely..Quote:
Originally Posted by SMWS6TA
Imagine the difference if the Camaro was lighter... Like, say a 3.6 in a 4th gen..;)
The new Camaro is coming into its own. I am liking the odds.
+2.Quote:
Originally Posted by cammed goat
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS
Who cares if you have 323hp in a 4000lb overweight two door? Same power to weight as a 3500lb car with 282hp... Ditto for the LS3 that has to pull around a lot of weight.
Oh cool so no torque in a useful rpm range. They suck as flower planters alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
Yeah the 3.5 DOHC was just such an engineering marvel they put it in 1 car for what 2, 3 years tops :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
My LQ1 felt something similar. Didn't do shit until 3900 then look out wasn't much to give a shit over. I mean it was omg balls to the wall brutal like you claim them to be :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
I'm sorry, I don't know shit for v6's but :lmao: :lmao:
Compared to what the 3800? :lol: Yeah the 3800 has 5 more ft lbs than the LQ1..And a full tenth of second faster n/a in the 1/4..Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
....and needed a blower to top LQ1 N/A hp numbers..lmfao!
Hmmm:thinkin: I don't remember mentioning the 3.5 DOHC.. The 3800 was such an engineering marvel that it got replaced with a 300+hp DOHC n/a 660..:lol: :loser:Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
Three posts to get that all out huh? Don't hurt yourself..:lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
Please post a link to my statement of such... :gtfo: Yeah that's right you won't find it.. :0 bozo :lol:
But Google or Bing TDCTT and see what you get..:lmao: ;)
Maybe I should run an eton 90 on it cause it's such a reliable unit that it got redesigned for almost every model year..:lol:
350~425 crank is the "norm" for a spooled stock internal LQ1..;)
:itsok: If your LQ1 ran bad it was due to the owner not the engines design.. MAF head..:rotfl:
You're forgetting the L26 n/a engine... You see the 3.5 was the DOHC waste of metal availabe during the LSQ years. Since the LQ1 was phased out for emissions etc...
You don't seem to realize I'm mocking how you post conctantly about the 3:4 if somebody dares to mention anyother engine.
Funnything about the LQ1 it got worse fuel economy than my heavier and blown 3800 powered turd.
ZZP does those power numbers all day long on stock 3800s :jerkit: acually they hit that range at the wheels
They should it's a larger cubed engine..;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
Secondly can't compare the 2 modded because no one has yet discovered the hp limit on stock internals yet..;) 300-400+ are known numbers for LQ1..;)
I was also mostly talking about the 3.6 DI DOHC engines in 4th gen F-body as well..;)
Notice the videos are of the 3.6L which is mainly what the thread is about..:hasquint:
I have also never seen proof that an l67 got better fuel econ than an LQ1..Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
The l36? yes it does..
3.6 wasn't in production during the 4th gen productions thus my mentioning of the 3.5 dohc. Way to dodge my comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
How caqn you not compare 2 engines? So what if the engine's limit has been discovered? Could it be nobody ever cared since for years they were notorious for blowing intake gaskets head gaskets and spinning and or chucking rods?
Btw just imagine the power and efficiency the Buick engine would have had they gone di with it?
As for your needing some dumb ass magazine economy comments just read the epa stickers. L67 was rated 18 and 28 and its a known and documented fact they do far better when you behave yourself. Shit I saw 30 or better regularly modified. You just need to read places other than Ben's site and here
Best I ever got in my 94 was 27... 3.43 gears vs a 2.93 its common sense really
All that video proves is how much of a turd the 5th gen V6 Camaro's are. Not impressive at all. The weight really kills them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
No it shows how awesome a 660 is because it still lost to a 2 valve 4.6Quote:
Originally Posted by Transamws6
I just realized... now that I sold my truck, I no longer own a 6 cylinder vehicle. :nilly:
Haha, exactly. Would have probably got beaten even worse if the GT actually had a good driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
Something with torque would've spanked that GT
Stock or close to stock 2V GT's are slow man, when you're losing to one of those you're in a pretty bad way. Especially when you're in a brand new car, V6 or not.
hey dont count out the PI 4.6 2v. if the stars align in just the right way they can blast a 13.9 @100.Quote:
Originally Posted by Transamws6
By the way Smittro I've driven a new Camaro with a 6. It had long tubes high flow cats and a Borla cat back. It sounded like a fart in a tube and felt slower than an Iron Duke
:lmao: :lmao:
Looking at that dash is that a 96-98 dash?
I take that back. The fart in a tube would sound betterQuote:
Originally Posted by blackSS01
I like the all the GT's personally. But posting a video of a brand new "pony" car (if you could even call it that) losing to another car with a shitty driver, rolling on a platform that's 12 years old, that doesn't even put down 225rwhp like it's impressive or something is pretty fucking weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
Um what?Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
SO?Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
What does this have to do with this thread?? I don't even see mention of the LQ1 till came along..:loser:Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
And you don't seem to realize this has nothing to do with anything.. But good for them..Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
You're highly lacking in LQ1 knowledge.. And full of it as well..Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
Umm what?Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
Good for you.. Oppinions vary..Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
Sigh..Quote:
Originally Posted by GTP231
That is your opinion..Quote:
Originally Posted by Transamws6
The video has to do with the discusion in this thread..
If the GT needs a driver mod to beat a small displacement v6 in a 4 million pound car, then I say the mighty V8 GT in the video is ass..;)
Horse power and torque does'nt mean shit if you can't turn it or get it to the road..
Posting your opinion on whether a video is "weak" or whatever has nothing to do with thIS discussion..
Posts like this from folks whom don't even own an f-body or any Camaro @ all is what is truely weak..
Go get a sports car and then we'll talk..
Until then,,, take Mr. "I once had an LQ1, and an l67" with you and :gtfo:..
I've been hearing, from a GM exec that V8's are on their way out. Like not tomorrow, but think about it..
high gas prices, V6's with high horsepower, lighter stronger materials...just a matter of time.
Smitty my LQ1 went through a couple sets of intake gaskets in my ownership time like everyother 60* engine has. Many 60* engines have lost head gaskets and early ones are famous for spinning rods and or chucking them. Take your fucking blinders off and learn somethings. Maybe they've finally made them reliable I don't know nor ever plan to give them a chance after the headaches I had with mine. Read plenty of similar stories with other 60 owners so cram it if you got lucky.
Smitty actually get that red paper weight in your car and running and I'll consider buying a V6 sports car so I can be as thuper as you
Odd the next gen is supposed to be over head cam and di and coming in a few years is the buzz at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat-top
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Originally Posted by GTP231
well DI for sure. hopefully not OHC.
Smitty why are you even here if all you love is the 60* junk anyway?
What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
What I said wasn't an opinion, it's a fact. Everyone knows the 2V GT's are dogshit slow when stock or close to it. You're just helping me prove my point even more here, the fact that the V6 5th gen in the video you posted couldn't put any distance on that GT is downright pitiful. Especially because of the fact that it's a brand new car rolling on a fresh and new platform. It really just shows how much of a turd that car truly is from a performance standpoint :thumbdn:
Also, I'm an 18 year old, you're a grown man and you drive a teenaged girls "sports" car, if you can even call it that. So for that reason, I wouldn't be talking about anybody else's vehicle if I were you.
This one is done.