Stupid Nissan Mechanics

Sorry I just wanted to vent a bit here. Wow I just got my wife's 2008 Altima back from the dealer. it has a few issues like a air bag recall and the low tire psi light that comes on whenever it wants to, but according to them nothings wrong, thats BS. All the tires are at 32psi and the light still comes on going down the road. anyways here is the big one that is going to end the life of the car. it knocks to no end. Now the knock does get quieter the longer it runs but it doesn't ever go away. Now according to them again it is a normal sound... WTF it didn't do this when we bought it. here tell me what you think I'll post up a short vid of the knocking sound. sorry for the bad quality...
http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=MOV07014.flv

damn sure sounds like a knock to me, oil level has always been good? always changed? sounds like either pin or rod knock, or possibly some detonation

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

damn sure sounds like a knock to me, oil level has always been good? always changed? sounds like either pin or rod knock, or possibly some detonation

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Yea oil changed every 3500 doen't use a drop between changes. We bought this car it was a Nissan program vehicle with 22,000 miles on it so I would think that they would have kept it serviced correctly, ah who knows. maybe it will blow up and i'll let them take it back on the lemon law. i would rather have a G8 anyways.

program vehicle? like rent a car? 2.5?

take it back to them and say what you said here "it didn't do taht when i bought it" if they say it is normal tell them you don't give a shit and it needs to be fixed under warenty... if the guys gives you any shit tell him you want a manager... i'mi sure you're like every member here and works hard for thier money so don't let them bull shit you... tell them you aren't going to leave untill a resolve is met...

off the topic.

those streets have no curbs? damn, so curb rash on your rims is a myth lol

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

damn sure sounds like a knock to me, oil level has always been good? always changed? sounds like either pin or rod knock, or possibly some detonation

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could be an exhaust leak...

is it using more gas than usual???

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

program vehicle? like rent a car? 2.5?

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No it was driven by one of the Nissan managers. and yes it's a 2.5

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Originally Posted by Spaz

could be an exhaust leak...

is it using more gas than usual???

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could be. theres a lot of noises that can sound like a knock and sound worse then it really is. But exhaust leaks are more of a puffing sound, that noise he has sounds way more like spark knock or rod knock to me.

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Originally Posted by casperss

No it was driven by one of the Nissan managers. and yes it's a 2.5

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those managers kick the snot out of those cars. I work in dealers as a tech and have seen it first hand. Don't mean to ruin your day.

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

could be. theres a lot of noises that can sound like a knock and sound worse then it really is. But exhaust leaks are more of a puffing sound, that noise he has sounds way more like spark knock or rod knock to me.

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:dunno: hard to tell on a video... easier when you in the car...



does it do it if you are in park/nuetral and rev???

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Originally Posted by Spaz

could be an exhaust leak...

is it using more gas than usual???

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no still getting 30 to 31 with the wife driving and 28 with me. Hmmm LOL

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Originally Posted by casperss

no still getting 30 to 31 with the wife driving and 28 with me. Hmmm LOL

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:lol:

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:dunno: hard to tell on a video... easier when you in the car...



does it do it if you are in park/nuetral and rev???

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Yes...

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Originally Posted by casperss

Yes...

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yeah you got a knock more then likely. Spark knock/detonation is typically under a load.

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Originally Posted by casperss

Yes...

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have you looked under the hood at night (no lights) to see if you can see electrical arch any where???

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Originally Posted by FSANE

off the topic.

those streets have no curbs? damn, so curb rash on your rims is a myth lol

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Ah heck curbs whats that??? no man this road isn't even wide enough for the double yellow lines. last election my wife's dad told the magistrate lines would be nice out here and bam couple weeks before the election stripes was layed down.

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Originally Posted by Spaz

have you looked under the hood at night (no lights) to see if you can see electrical arch any where???

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No but I'll do that tonight..

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Originally Posted by casperss

No but I'll do that tonight..

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arent gonna see much arcing with coil on plug though.

nissan techs are bullshit...my mom has a 2004 pathfinder.....last time she took it in the charged her all the money b/c she needed a TB cleaning and adjustment etc.....which I told her I could have done but it was too late.....anyway.....so I was using her car on a trip and rpm started going from 2000-4000 for no reason, had no acceleration, and the shifting was all f-cked up...when I got the car back, i started checking intake for water, TB positioning sensor etc.....sure enough the TB is dirty as shit, checked the SES code and it says idle sensor/ TB sensor malfunc......so I take it to nissan and am like look, she paid for you assholes to clean and recalibrate this thing and you didnt......you could even tell the gasket was old......so the nissan guy was all like, humm thats strange I dont know why they would do that.......well l do, you see a unsuspecting women and try to take her money....so I told them they had to do the work that she paid for, which they did, and I got them to give her a credit.........just proves the stealerships are just that stealerships........at one time it was bad enough that they were doing work on your car and charging you for it when you didnt really need it.... now they are charging you and not even performing the work.....I can see this happening at a small shady mech. but not a place like nissan......shows you they are all bullshit.....I feel sorry for people who dont know or understand enough to either work on their car or know whats going on with it. I told her from now on before she takes her car in or agrees to anything she has to call me.

Stealerships are stealerships and no offense to anyone here who's a professional mechanic, but most shop techs and/or mechanics can't tell their elbows from their assholes w/o an SES code.

My car at work is a Nissan Versa 1.8 and it sounds like a deisel truck when I start it in the morning. Mech say its normal????

Gee, I thought that only Chevy dealers tried pulling that stuff.

Dealers are good for warranty work and not much more.

Find a good independent shop for service and repairs.

If possible always mark/ paint/etc the part that needs to be changed. Something that no one will notice but you can. Stealerships suck

dealerships suck because the customer always wants something for nothing and thinks a warranty goes a million miles. Posts like these are the exact reason I've about had it with the auto service business. Its not a mechanics decision on whether or not a customers car receives a new engine that could cost several thousand dollars. That stuff has to get approved. Theres a lot of paperwork and redtape with this stuff. The mechanic just wants to make sure he gets paid for his time. I wish I could generalize other peoples jobs as much as technicians get judged. Shit I think drug dealers are held in higher regard.

its not that all mechanics are bad, thats not what is being said, i mean I am a mechanic (for railcars) but still........its that dealerships are a business just like anyplace else and are out to make money. The problem is that there is a high percentage of people that are taken advantage of due to their lack of car knowlege....... My grandfather was a master mechanic who owned his own business, he never would have dreamed of doing some of this BS things I have seen and heard of stealerships doing. Its a matter of mindset and the setting of the company. In my mothers case they charged her 200+ extra dollars for something that they didnt do. It was also a repair that she wouldnt be able to see to justify that it was done. It took me time of taking apart the intake, TB, sensors to find the problem.......Now the TB and sensors were dirty as hell, and did need to be cleaned etc.....but it was not performed by the dealership and they charged for it....I always find out that she will take her car in for a oil change, and come out with a bill for like 600+ dollars b/c the dealership said she needed it.....I will get a copy from her of the work report and its unbelievable some of the things they said she needed and what they charged to do it.....there is a point of where doing what NEEDS to be done on the car stops and just a list of extra senseless bullshit starts.........Now mind you I am not on here to make enemies......this is just my opinion......its just what I see

Did they send you stuff on the recalls?? We just bought our new 08 back in June & haven't heard of any recalls. Also our car always sits in our garage & it is heated so it never gets cold, but we were in St. Louis at my brothers this weekend & it sat out & went to go home Thurs & it was knocking bad!!!! It only did it for about the first 5-10 min till it got warmed up good, then it quit, but I have never heard it before!

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Originally Posted by TransAm11973

nissan techs are bullshit...my mom has a 2004 pathfinder.....last time she took it in the charged her all the money b/c she needed a TB cleaning and adjustment etc.....which I told her I could have done but it was too late.....anyway.....so I was using her car on a trip and rpm started going from 2000-4000 for no reason, had no acceleration, and the shifting was all f-cked up...when I got the car back, i started checking intake for water, TB positioning sensor etc.....sure enough the TB is dirty as shit, checked the SES code and it says idle sensor/ TB sensor malfunc......so I take it to nissan and am like look, she paid for you assholes to clean and recalibrate this thing and you didnt......you could even tell the gasket was old......so the nissan guy was all like, humm thats strange I dont know why they would do that.......well l do, you see a unsuspecting women and try to take her money....so I told them they had to do the work that she paid for, which they did, and I got them to give her a credit.........just proves the stealerships are just that stealerships........at one time it was bad enough that they were doing work on your car and charging you for it when you didnt really need it.... now they are charging you and not even performing the work.....I can see this happening at a small shady mech. but not a place like nissan......shows you they are all bullshit.....I feel sorry for people who dont know or understand enough to either work on their car or know whats going on with it. I told her from now on before she takes her car in or agrees to anything she has to call me.

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Crap like that frosts my ass. But you cannot say EVERYONE does that, There's good and there's bad. Personally I would love to firebomb any shop that pulled that crap.
And I run a shop, I would SO fire, then legally prosecute anyone in my shop that pulled that. Trust is the only thing that keeps us smaller guys afloat. And each horror story like that hurts Every shop. :dot:
Bastiges

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Originally Posted by Krazydan

My car at work is a Nissan Versa 1.8 and it sounds like a deisel truck when I start it in the morning. Mech say its normal????

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Yeah and GM says it's normal for an LS1/2 to eat a quart of oil every 3k too...

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Originally Posted by Pulse Red GTO

Did they send you stuff on the recalls?? We just bought our new 08 back in June & haven't heard of any recalls. Also our car always sits in our garage & it is heated so it never gets cold, but we were in St. Louis at my brothers this weekend & it sat out & went to go home Thurs & it was knocking bad!!!! It only did it for about the first 5-10 min till it got warmed up good, then it quit, but I have never heard it before!

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09 sonata,thank you very much!!!i work at hmma and hope you enjoy your sonata.as far a dealers go they are the same as every other business,some honest hard working people and some lazy-ass slackers that give them a bad name,i worked with both at my former job(ford dealer tech).

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Originally Posted by Crimson Sin

Crap like that frosts my ass. But you cannot say EVERYONE does that, There's good and there's bad. Personally I would love to firebomb any shop that pulled that crap.
And I run a shop, I would SO fire, then legally prosecute anyone in my shop that pulled that. Trust is the only thing that keeps us smaller guys afloat. And each horror story like that hurts Every shop. :dot:
Bastiges

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i agree with you totally

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Originally Posted by casperss

Sorry I just wanted to vent a bit here. Wow I just got my wife's 2008 Altima back from the dealer. it has a few issues like a air bag recall and the low tire psi light that comes on whenever it wants to, but according to them nothings wrong, thats BS. All the tires are at 32psi and the light still comes on going down the road. anyways here is the big one that is going to end the life of the car. it knocks to no end. Now the knock does get quieter the longer it runs but it doesn't ever go away. Now according to them again it is a normal sound... WTF it didn't do this when we bought it. here tell me what you think I'll post up a short vid of the knocking sound. sorry for the bad quality...
http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=MOV07014.flv

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The TPMS lit is pain in the ass,worst thing they can do,but as for fixing it,air them up 1 psi highre than what is recoomended on the door and drive for .2 of a mile and it will reset and yea make sure they are EXACTLY at the same psi.

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Originally Posted by Pulse Red GTO

Did they send you stuff on the recalls?? We just bought our new 08 back in June & haven't heard of any recalls. Also our car always sits in our garage & it is heated so it never gets cold, but we were in St. Louis at my brothers this weekend & it sat out & went to go home Thurs & it was knocking bad!!!! It only did it for about the first 5-10 min till it got warmed up good, then it quit, but I have never heard it before!

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Yes we got the paper in the mail about a week ago. but it was for the air bag only. not the tire psi monitor or the knocking sound. As for the vid. goes the car had been warming up out in the driveway for about ten min. and the vid was taken with the temp gauge midways between cold and hot.

I didn't mean to stir up a fuss over this with everyone. I know alot of mechanics out there are honest hard working people but for this dealership to tell me nothings wrong with anything I spoke to them about geez come on. the air bag light still comes on showing that it's turned off with a adult sized person in the seat. I don't think that the car should beable to decide who gets the air bag during a crash. I have also been seaching the web and alot of other nissan owners are making the same complaints about these cars. IMO the air bag issue is a real problem that needs to be fixed.

Again I'm sorry if I offended anyone on here....

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Originally Posted by tornado

The TPMS lit is pain in the ass,worst thing they can do,but as for fixing it,air them up 1 psi highre than what is recoomended on the door and drive for .2 of a mile and it will reset and yea make sure they are EXACTLY at the same psi.

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??? wouldn't adding more air create uneven tire wear? Like wear out the center before the sides.

As a tech, I can honestly say I truly hate the advent of TPMS lights. What a stupid waste of technology that causes so many waste of time trips to the dealer for both customer and technician.

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Originally Posted by Crimson Sin

Crap like that frosts my ass. But you cannot say EVERYONE does that, There's good and there's bad. Personally I would love to firebomb any shop that pulled that crap.
And I run a shop, I would SO fire, then legally prosecute anyone in my shop that pulled that. Trust is the only thing that keeps us smaller guys afloat. And each horror story like that hurts Every shop. :dot:
Bastiges

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Thats basically my point, I just got a lil ticked earlier.


Yes there are a lot of dishonest techs/service managers out there, and they ruin it for the honest techs that are trying to make a good living doing the right thing. They hurt me as much as they hurt you because not only do they piss the customer off and drive them out of dealerships but when i've had to work with these guys, I've often got stuck with their comebacks. Part of the problem is that the dealers wanna pay as low a rate as they can and this often means they hire a lot of losers because no good technician wants to work for free. Its really the dealers and not the dealer techs that are greedy most of the time guys.

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Originally Posted by TransAm11973

its not that all mechanics are bad, thats not what is being said, i mean I am a mechanic (for railcars) but still........its that dealerships are a business just like anyplace else and are out to make money. The problem is that there is a high percentage of people that are taken advantage of due to their lack of car knowlege....... My grandfather was a master mechanic who owned his own business, he never would have dreamed of doing some of this BS things I have seen and heard of stealerships doing. Its a matter of mindset and the setting of the company. In my mothers case they charged her 200+ extra dollars for something that they didnt do. It was also a repair that she wouldnt be able to see to justify that it was done. It took me time of taking apart the intake, TB, sensors to find the problem.......Now the TB and sensors were dirty as hell, and did need to be cleaned etc.....but it was not performed by the dealership and they charged for it....I always find out that she will take her car in for a oil change, and come out with a bill for like 600+ dollars b/c the dealership said she needed it.....I will get a copy from her of the work report and its unbelievable some of the things they said she needed and what they charged to do it.....there is a point of where doing what NEEDS to be done on the car stops and just a list of extra senseless bullshit starts.........Now mind you I am not on here to make enemies......this is just my opinion......its just what I see

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If they sold her a throttle body clean and intake clean and didnt even perform the service thats FUCKED UP! Yes I'd be really pissed. But from what you are saying there was a driveability/check engine light on top of this? Was she charged a diag charge? Did they diag anything? Did they say the clean was gonna fix the problem? No dealer is gonna diag a car for free and they certainly wont pull and upper intake/tb apart without autorization. If your mothers vehicle was in my service bay, I would have recommended an hour diag to start, just to find out what the issue is and then see if that fixes her driveability issue. If the intake and throttle body were infact filthy which they often are, I would recommend a clean. Its such an easy service theres no reason they shouldnt have done it if they sold it to her. THe dealers I've worked at the service is normally 89.99, not 200 bucks. So they banged her out pretty good.

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Originally Posted by TransAm11973

its not that all mechanics are bad, thats not what is being said, i mean I am a mechanic (for railcars) but still........its that dealerships are a business just like anyplace else and are out to make money. The problem is that there is a high percentage of people that are taken advantage of due to their lack of car knowlege....... My grandfather was a master mechanic who owned his own business, he never would have dreamed of doing some of this BS things I have seen and heard of stealerships doing. Its a matter of mindset and the setting of the company. In my mothers case they charged her 200+ extra dollars for something that they didnt do. It was also a repair that she wouldnt be able to see to justify that it was done. It took me time of taking apart the intake, TB, sensors to find the problem.......Now the TB and sensors were dirty as hell, and did need to be cleaned etc.....but it was not performed by the dealership and they charged for it....I always find out that she will take her car in for a oil change, and come out with a bill for like 600+ dollars b/c the dealership said she needed it.....I will get a copy from her of the work report and its unbelievable some of the things they said she needed and what they charged to do it.....there is a point of where doing what NEEDS to be done on the car stops and just a list of extra senseless bullshit starts.........Now mind you I am not on here to make enemies......this is just my opinion......its just what I see

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I didn't mean to sound like a dick. But I get defensive about this stuff because people love to slam dealer techs and they aren't all bad. People act like dealer techs have no training at all which is soooo untrue. I mean as a tech on railcars, how often do people bag on your profession? If they did, would it tick you off?


It aint a free lunch out their in the service bay

Depends on the style of the TPMS monitor, some are instant on and are only triggered when the pressure drops below a preset measure.. say 28 psi..That style has NO idea if the tire is over inflated... You could have 60 psi and that TPMS won't know the difference as long as it's over the preset warning level.

Others are constant feed and continuously send pressure readings to the onboard monitor. That style will have a pressure readout on the dash or cluster.

Over pressuring a tire for long times can "high center' a tire, causing the center to wear out faster then the edges. But it would have to be a substantial amount... Say 5-10 pounds for a few thousand miles etc. One pound over is not much to worry about, nor is one pound low. I see people come in all the time with 19 ish pounds in one or two tires and bitch how their tires are wearing ... <sigh>... HELLO.. you need to maintain shit.. Amazes me how people think entropy doesn't exist.. :dunno:

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

Thats basically my point, I just got a lil ticked earlier.


Yes there are a lot of dishonest techs/service managers out there, and they ruin it for the honest techs that are trying to make a good living doing the right thing. They hurt me as much as they hurt you because not only do they piss the customer off and drive them out of dealerships but when i've had to work with these guys, I've often got stuck with their comebacks. Part of the problem is that the dealers wanna pay as low a rate as they can and this often means they hire a lot of losers because no good technician wants to work for free. Its really the dealers and not the dealer techs that are greedy most of the time guys.

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I hear ya man...
I hear ya. :ar:

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Originally Posted by Crimson Sin

I hear ya man...
I hear ya. :ar:

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It's made me consider finding a mom and pop place. Maybe I need to get away from the dealership bullshit. With the economy the way it is, people can't afford new cars so they will be repairing their current ones more and more. It'd be nice to actually get cash work for a change. The Hyundai warranty at my last job totally ass raped me, and i'm still hurting if you haven't noticed lol

My dad quit his managers position because of this. Too many idiots wanting stuff done for free so he went back to turning wrenches as his day job. That way he got the least amount of shit if he did his job right.

Even though im laid off for a few weeks I have done probably 5 vehicles repairs so im still comfy without unemployement..

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

It's made me consider finding a mom and pop place. Maybe I need to get away from the dealership bullshit. With the economy the way it is, people can't afford new cars so they will be repairing their current ones more and more. It'd be nice to actually get cash work for a change. The Hyundai warranty at my last job totally ass raped me, and i'm still hurting if you haven't noticed lol

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I won't work for a dealership again. But it's mostly because I like being the man in charge.. Can't deal with someone telling me what to do. I am self motivated and have the typical A1 personality type Heh..

We still have some warranty issues, but it's mostly due to the tech pooching the repair, or the writer selling the repair incorrectly. Not many actual parts failures. Altho they do happen. That or the typical customer that wants the job done half-assed.. Timing belt only, no tensioner or idlers etc. that kinda crap..

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Originally Posted by casperss

Sorry I just wanted to vent a bit here. Wow I just got my wife's 2008 Altima back from the dealer. it has a few issues like a air bag recall and the low tire psi light that comes on whenever it wants to, but according to them nothings wrong, thats BS. All the tires are at 32psi and the light still comes on going down the road. anyways here is the big one that is going to end the life of the car. it knocks to no end. Now the knock does get quieter the longer it runs but it doesn't ever go away. Now according to them again it is a normal sound... WTF it didn't do this when we bought it. here tell me what you think I'll post up a short vid of the knocking sound. sorry for the bad quality...
http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=MOV07014.flv

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Ill see if i can find any TSB's at work monday for this knock sound.

Damn, that sounds like my 90 Beretta w/ 250K miles!

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Originally Posted by tornado

Ill see if i can find any TSB's at work monday for this knock sound.

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Thanks

See if NTB07-021A applies to your car.
As far as the TPWS light remember for every 10 deg. of temp drop you lose 1 psi. If the tires are 80 deg and set at 32 temp drops 40 degrees light will probably come on. Nissans turn the light on around 27-28 psi.

T/A 11973 is you moms truck drive by wire? If it is there is no need to clean the throttle plate. They tend to come back and set TPS codes. And many times the ECM has to be flashed(on older models) to get it to relearn.
I haven't seen a single drive by wire Nissan with a driveablity issue due to throttle plate carbon.

And I have to agree with almost everyone here. I've been a dealer tech for 20 years(Nissan products for 17) and there are some criminals at dealerships.

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

If they sold her a throttle body clean and intake clean and didnt even perform the service thats FUCKED UP! Yes I'd be really pissed. But from what you are saying there was a driveability/check engine light on top of this? Was she charged a diag charge? Did they diag anything? Did they say the clean was gonna fix the problem? No dealer is gonna diag a car for free and they certainly wont pull and upper intake/tb apart without autorization. If your mothers vehicle was in my service bay, I would have recommended an hour diag to start, just to find out what the issue is and then see if that fixes her driveability issue. If the intake and throttle body were infact filthy which they often are, I would recommend a clean. Its such an easy service theres no reason they shouldnt have done it if they sold it to her. THe dealers I've worked at the service is normally 89.99, not 200 bucks. So they banged her out pretty good.

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There was no SES light at the shop, they just said it needed to be done....and this was correct, but they didnt perfrm the job and still chargd for it and yea it was like 200 bucks.....anyway i was driving the car a week later and it started acting up....so I checked the codes and took some of it apart and it was filthy. Obvious that they didnt do shit ad just charged her for it. This one dealership always tacks random bullshit on though....I will look at her service report and I cant beleive some of the stuff they told her she needed and what she paid for it.....So I told her I dont care how busy I am from now on you call me before you do anything and I will come over first and check it out...............at least at this dealership they are full of shit....oh yeah and they charged like 17.00 for washer fluid fill lol lol lol, which like and idiot she paid( but she is a women that knows 0 about cars) and they dealer didnt even fill it up.........

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

I didn't mean to sound like a dick. But I get defensive about this stuff because people love to slam dealer techs and they aren't all bad. People act like dealer techs have no training at all which is soooo untrue. I mean as a tech on railcars, how often do people bag on your profession? If they did, would it tick you off?


It aint a free lunch out their in the service bay

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+1.much respect to honest techs.

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Originally Posted by TransAm11973

There was no SES light at the shop, they just said it needed to be done....and this was correct, but they didnt perfrm the job and still chargd for it and yea it was like 200 bucks.....anyway i was driving the car a week later and it started acting up....so I checked the codes and took some of it apart and it was filthy. Obvious that they didnt do shit ad just charged her for it. This one dealership always tacks random bullshit on though....I will look at her service report and I cant beleive some of the stuff they told her she needed and what she paid for it.....So I told her I dont care how busy I am from now on you call me before you do anything and I will come over first and check it out...............at least at this dealership they are full of shit....oh yeah and they charged like 17.00 for washer fluid fill lol lol lol, which like and idiot she paid( but she is a women that knows 0 about cars) and they dealer didnt even fill it up.........

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holy crap! wow you really arent kidding then about them being a really bad dealer. I'VE NEVER EVER HEARD OF A CHARGE FOR WASHER FLUID! EVER! On every car that comes in for any kind of underhood service that I work on, the washer fluid gets topped off. Automatic. No charge. Its just washer fluid. Hell you can buy a whole gallon of it for like 2 dollars. Places like this I really wish would go bankrupt.

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Originally Posted by NJ 666

See if NTB07-021A applies to your car.
As far as the TPWS light remember for every 10 deg. of temp drop you lose 1 psi. If the tires are 80 deg and set at 32 temp drops 40 degrees light will probably come on. Nissans turn the light on around 27-28 psi.

T/A 11973 is you moms truck drive by wire? If it is there is no need to clean the throttle plate. They tend to come back and set TPS codes. And many times the ECM has to be flashed(on older models) to get it to relearn.
I haven't seen a single drive by wire Nissan with a driveablity issue due to throttle plate carbon.

And I have to agree with almost everyone here. I've been a dealer tech for 20 years(Nissan products for 17) and there are some criminals at dealerships.

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I've found that most places sell the TBIF (throttle body injector flush) as just a maintenance thing. I can attest to having cars come in with a complaint on how the throttle sticks at tip in. Cleaning the plate does fix the issue, however 200 bucks is highway robbery for the service to alleviate that problem. Especially when you can take a can of carb cleaner and just spray it clean yourself for about 4 dollars.

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Originally Posted by 310stanger

I've found that most places sell the TBIF (throttle body injector flush) as just a maintenance thing. I can attest to having cars come in with a complaint on how the throttle sticks at tip in. Cleaning the plate does fix the issue, however 200 bucks is highway robbery for the service to alleviate that problem. Especially when you can take a can of carb cleaner and just spray it clean yourself for about 4 dollars.

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exactly what i told her......this dealership is horrible...but from now I told her she has to come to me first before anything......her last service write up was like 650.00......I could have done it all for about 120.00 in supplies/parts at the most...and of course I am not gonna charge my mom for labor....haha.....some places are unbelievable

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exactly what i told her......this dealership is horrible...but from now I told her she has to come to me first before anything......her last service write up was like 650.00......I could have done it all for about 120.00 in supplies/parts at the most...and of course I am not gonna charge my mom for labor....haha.....some places are unbelievable

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650.00 tickets aren't unheard of, specifically on a car with miles that isn't maintained. The parts are expensive and most shops these days have a pretty high labor rate. The hyundai shop I was last at had a 92.00 dollar an hour diagnostic charge. It sounds expensive to people, but cars are expensive. Its 2008 and you have to account for inflation. It sucks because the dealers make all that money on the labor and parts and only give the techs a fraction of that money. Thefore the techs wanna sell as much easy maintenance work as they can just to make a living, and then the customer always feels like they are getting screwed. Its real simple, dont like the prices to have your car worked on, do it yourself. But I'd wager that about 85-90 percent of the customers i've ever had can't use a hammer and a screwdriver. Nevermind actually diag anything.

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650.00 tickets aren't unheard of, specifically on a car with miles that isn't maintained. The parts are expensive and most shops these days have a pretty high labor rate. The hyundai shop I was last at had a 92.00 dollar an hour diagnostic charge. It sounds expensive to people, but cars are expensive. Its 2008 and you have to account for inflation. It sucks because the dealers make all that money on the labor and parts and only give the techs a fraction of that money. Thefore the techs wanna sell as much easy maintenance work as they can just to make a living, and then the customer always feels like they are getting screwed. Its real simple, dont like the prices to have your car worked on, do it yourself. But I'd wager that about 85-90 percent of the customers i've ever had can't use a hammer and a screwdriver. Nevermind actually diag anything.

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This car isnt old and its well maintained....she drives it 8 miles to work and back....Its just this dealership she got the car at. I dont know why she takes it back there....I mean they arent always full of it. At times certain things are needed on the car, like the TB did need to be cleaned etc...but as we all know they didnt do it...and then there is the things like windshield wiper fluid charge and other little dumb things like that, that they try to tack on and its complete bullshit

Couldnt find any tsb's,sorry.

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I've found that most places sell the TBIF (throttle body injector flush) as just a maintenance thing. I can attest to having cars come in with a complaint on how the throttle sticks at tip in. Cleaning the plate does fix the issue, however 200 bucks is highway robbery for the service to alleviate that problem. Especially when you can take a can of carb cleaner and just spray it clean yourself for about 4 dollars.

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True but on as drive by wire car you only feel the sensor.

[QUOTE=NJ 666;1770429]True but on as drive by wire car you only feel the sensor.[/QUOTEYeah i was talking about cars with a cable. my bad

Not all Nissan dealerships are bad. My Mom bought a new 99 Altima top of the line when new and she always took it to the dealer to have things checked out like noises and vibrations and believe it or not they never took advantage of her and yes I was shocked and still surprized because I hate all dealerships I mean Stealerships. She just bought a 08 and gave me her old one with 215,000 miles and never one major problem with it. That old 99 with 215k miles drives and looks almost new. I hope the 08 is just has good.

yeah I am not saying all dealerships are bad....but I sure have seen a few

Lets not forget that Nissan quality has been going down hill.... How many reason are they up to for 2.5 blowing up?

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Lets not forget that Nissan quality has been going down hill.... How many reason are they up to for 2.5 blowing up?

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Yeah, I kinda agree on this. Nissans quality has dropped a lil in the last several years, with the start of the 02 altima. The newest infinitis and japanese made nissans are still pretty nice though. But I remember the 02 altima, and 04 and up maximas coming out and looking at them and noticing how 01 and older models build quality and materials and fit and finish were just sooo much better. Nissan needs to go back to that. They have the technology to make great cars.

that qr25de, I'm thinking its one of nissans only engine blunders in their history. they make a great engine, but that thing sure seems to fail a lot. It used to be that the precats would disintegrate and wipe out the engines. But they recalled the exhaust/pre cat assembly. If the engines are still failing theres got to be something inherent in the design.

Well I talked with the owner of the lot today and i expressed my thoughts with him about it, Nicely... He was very understanding of my issues and concerns. I told him I had vids of the problems with the milage documented after they told me it was ok. So he said he wanted to look at them. So I guess we will see what happens Wendsday. Oh and the vids were taken less than 100 miles on it from when I left the shop.

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Well I talked with the owner of the lot today and i expressed my thoughts with him about it, Nicely... He was very understanding of my issues and concerns. I told him I had vids of the problems with the milage documented after they told me it was ok. So he said he wanted to look at them. So I guess we will see what happens Wendsday. Oh and the vids were taken less than 100 miles on it from when I left the shop.

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check this vid out bro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxfdU8XfTT4

another http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7dhBhtUobk

Dayum.... His low tire psi light is on too.

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another http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7dhBhtUobk

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Holy crap.... Iv'e never raised the hood on mine while running. geez thats not right.

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Holy crap.... Iv'e never raised the hood on mine while running. geez thats not right.

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You can show your service manager you aren't the only consumer that has a vehicle with the issues with engine noise. If he still gives you a hard time, tell him you want the district service manager and service rep to hear your engine. They may be aware of this and you might not be the only customer at your dealer with the problem but Nissan might not have issued a fix and might not approve a warranty engine for these vehicles hence them being forced to lie to you. It happens. He might be forced to even though he doesnt want to.

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Holy crap.... Iv'e never raised the hood on mine while running. geez thats not right.

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That last one according to the comments is a loose heatshield that makes that noise. Different issue then what you have but still doesnt look good for nissan.

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You can show your service manager you aren't the only consumer that has a vehicle with the issues with engine noise. If he still gives you a hard time, tell him you want the district service manager and service rep to hear your engine. They may be aware of this and you might not be the only customer at your dealer with the problem but Nissan might not have issued a fix and might not approve a warranty engine for these vehicles hence them being forced to lie to you. It happens. He might be forced to even though he doesnt want to.

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My wife looked up these issues online somwhere, not sure where but alot of folks are making the same complaints I have. I was shocked to see how many there was. I think she googled service bullitins or recalls and found it. That site had lots of info on it about all vehicles. Somwhere on there was a place to make complaints to the goverment. If the dealer continues to avoid the obvious she plans on filing on also.

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That last one according to the comments is a loose heatshield that makes that noise. Different issue then what you have but still doesnt look good for nissan.

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My wife looked up these issues online somwhere, not sure where but alot of folks are making the same complaints I have. I was shocked to see how many there was. I think she googled service bullitins or recalls and found it. That site had lots of info on it about all vehicles. Somwhere on there was a place to make complaints to the goverment. If the dealer continues to avoid the obvious she plans on filing on also.

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heres a VERY good nissan site I just remembered. www.freshalloy.com

WOW lots of info there. And hey I just noticed I'm over 1k posts whoo hoo...