programmers

**txoutlaw69** · 04-30-2007, 05:29 PM

are performance programmers worth the money

? if so witch one is the best

**rajiv1998** · 04-30-2007, 05:42 PM

handhelds are gay and a waste of $, i dont no y every1 buy them. Save up and get HP Tuners, LS1 edit, EFI Live etc...

**Y2KPewterSS** · 04-30-2007, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by txoutlaw69

are performance programmers worth the money

? if so witch one is the best

Usually they aren't worth it, but what is it you are wanting to do with one?

**bigboykilroy** · 05-01-2007, 04:54 AM

I purchased a HP3 a while ago. it worked for some small stuff. ON their web site they say the HP 3 is only for stock cars, one you go as far as headers you have outgrown their scanner. Diablo is supposed to do more stuff but Returned it and purchased HPTuners.

**mrr23** · 05-01-2007, 06:53 PM

depends on the handheld you buy.

the predator has one preprogrammed tune in it. good thing about it is you can have a custom tune done and upload it with the predator.

the vinci tuner has 8 preprogramed tunes in it based on cam and whether or not you have a supercharger.

both have the ability to modify the stock and preprogramed tunes. can also modify shift points, timing, power enrichment, and other things.

before running out and spending that 'little bit more' for a full tuning suite like hptuners, ls1edit, efilive, etc... you might want to do your homework on how that stuff owrks. yes, you can do way more with a full tuning suite, but there is a huge learning curve involved. take it from me. i used to have the vinci handheld and went to hptuners.

when you get your full tuning suite, there is nothing to tell you what to do where, how it affects everything, what other things are involved that affect what you are trying to accomplish, and support is very limited. you can call efilive and hptuners has a forum. but, getting answers can be frustrating.

and for all of those out there that are going to tell you to get a full tuning suite versus a handheld, they won't be there for you at all hours to answer your questions and help you through it. you need a good understanding of what things do, before you get into tuning. a handheld might be the better choice, for those not wanting to tackle a huge undertaking of self tuning.

and the costs really aren't just a 'little more'. for a full tuning suite, you need to have a laptop, or a really long cable from your home computer out to your car. so, $450.00 for a handheld, or $500.00 for a full tuning suite + a laptop, + some tuning classes that some offer at $550.00 a pop. your choice.

**bigboykilroy** · 05-01-2007, 07:52 PM

very well put mrr23. I agree.

**RandyW** · 05-02-2007, 03:04 AM

For a guy like that isn't a computer whiz, I feel the Predetor is the best all around course.

**mrr23** · 05-02-2007, 04:22 AM

http://www/stealthram.com/vhptuner.htm here is how the vinci/crane tuner works

**GOT1GOAT** · 05-02-2007, 10:17 AM

I personally cannot coment on anything other than My Granatelli Diablosport tuner with RWTD (running with the devil) for my LS1 a4. The installed tune was SOTP good and then I get to play around (modify) any of the parameters.

The installed tune took out TM and and unleashed a different beast and then I can adjust tranny shift points and pressures and WOT fuel and spark parameters etc.

**bigboykilroy** · 05-02-2007, 01:16 PM

The only ones that really dont bennifit from the handhelds and are forced to go to a software based tune are the lonely 97-98 LS1 computers.

99 -02 have more handheld option then we do.

**mrr23** · 05-02-2007, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by bigboykilroy

The only ones that really dont bennifit from the handhelds and are forced to go to a software based tune are the lonely 97-98 LS1 computers.

99 -02 have more handheld option then we do.

lucky for you wonderful 97-98 vehicles, vinci makes a handheld just for them.
http://vincihighperformance.com/NEW%...TS%20PAGE.HTML bottom right of the page

**bigboykilroy** · 05-02-2007, 05:43 PM

PRICE $ 425.99 - WOW thata alot of $$$ - for a handheld... but like it said no special training required. (HP does take some time and lots of reading to get familiar with) Im still glad that I got HP tuners, now i can tune my firebird, Tahoe, and other stuff.