How can we stop this?

**Nhra Firebird** · 12-31-2010, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by nhraformula

Because for a number of trades you must be schooled.
Many of the trades require a person to be an apprentice from 3-5 years and attend nite school no less than 3 nites per week.
Do you need special skills to be a laborer, no. They do have an apprentice period which focuses on safety and most efficient way to do whatever tasks are part of the job.

Non Union companies also have apprentice programs.

**Sarge** · 12-31-2010, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by nhraformula

No i never said that, but for certain trades you need schooling and you even know that

Ripped off, well all im going to say to that is thats a matter of opinion

Once again untrue and you know that.

Why are companies nowadays non union, simple, because companies spend billions per year on anti union companies to come in and devolope for lack of better words scare tactics.

From the consumer standpoint is simple, save a buck now but good luck with your kids finding a job that pays over 30k a year in the future.
Theres very little manufacturing here in the US and will be even less in the future.
Go back about 50 years, when America’s middle class was expanding and the economy was soaring. Paychecks were big enough to allow us to buy all the goods and services we produced. It was a virtuous circle. Good pay meant more purchases, and more purchases meant more jobs.

At the center of this circle were unions. In 1955, more than a third of working Americans belonged to one. Unions gave them the bargaining leverage they needed to get the paychecks that kept the economy going. So many Americans were unionized that wage agreements spilled over to nonunionized workplaces as well. Employers knew they had to match union wages to compete for workers and to recruit the best ones.

Union membership has steadily declined the past 50 years. Absolute irrefutable truth.
50 years ago we needed Unions as we did not have labor/fair wage etc. laws that we have today. Huge difference.
From the History of Union Labor in America
The changing conditions of the 1980s and 1990s undermined the position of organized labor, which now represented a shrinking share of the work force. While more than one-third of employed people belonged to unions in 1945, union membership fell to 24.1 percent of the U.S. work force in 1979 and to 13.9 percent in 1998. Dues increases, continuing union contributions to political campaigns, and union members' diligent voter-turnout efforts kept unions' political power from ebbing as much as their membership. But court decisions and National Labor Relations Board rulings allowing workers to withhold the portion of their union dues used to back, or oppose, political candidates, undercut unions' influence.

Looks like a 40% decline in Union membership to me. Today it is less than 12% by the way......

**Nhra Firebird** · 12-31-2010, 03:44 PM

People don't need unions anymore... If they don't like a company they more on to another.... Wage rate laws like the Davis–Bacon Act make it fair for all workers

**Nhra Firebird** · 12-31-2010, 03:47 PM

Not sure what type of business you have sarge, so I'm not sure if PLA's effect your company. I have been fighting PLA's for about a year now.

**Sarge** · 12-31-2010, 03:49 PM

I own/manage multiple companies in multiple verticals. What is a PLA?

**Nhra Firebird** · 12-31-2010, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge

I own/manage multiple companies in multiple verticals. What is a PLA?

Project Labor aggrement. Obama wants all federally funded projects over 25 million dollars be built by union only contractors. It's a payback to the unions for helping to get him in office. Google executive order # 13502 ( government endorsed discirmination)

**Nhra Firebird** · 12-31-2010, 04:12 PM

This past summer I walked to DC from York, PA ( around a 100 miles) to protest PLA's we had a ton of signatures from all over the US. Here is a pic of us handing over some of the petitions congressman todd platts.

**bluehawk2000** · 12-31-2010, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Nhra Firebird

This past summer I walked to DC from York, PA ( around a 100 miles) to protest PLA's we had a ton of signatures from all over the US. Here is a pic of us handing over some of the petitions congressman todd platts.

Damn you ugly and old how far do you walk to get laid?

**nhraformula** · 12-31-2010, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Nhra Firebird

Non Union companies also have apprentice programs.

None are recognized at least here in Illinois.

**nhraformula** · 12-31-2010, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Nhra Firebird

People don't need unions anymore... If they don't like a company they more on to another.... Wage rate laws like the Davis–Bacon Act make it fair for all workers

DB is about prevailing wage, who do you think sets that, Unions!!!

**nhraformula** · 12-31-2010, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Nhra Firebird

This past summer I walked to DC from York, PA ( around a 100 miles) to protest PLA's we had a ton of signatures from all over the US. Here is a pic of us handing over some of the petitions congressman todd platts.

You would of been better off walking down the street to pick up a hooker or two. The president is from one of the strongest union cities nationwide.

**Nhra Firebird** · 12-31-2010, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by nhraformula

None are recognized at least here in Illinois.

http://www.abcil.org/Education/Appre...ning_FAQs.aspx

**bluehawk2000** · 12-31-2010, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by nhraformula

You would of been better off walking down the street to pick up a hooker or two. The president is from one of the strongest union cities nationwide.

Like anybody give a shit about this shitty president we have in office right now, I havent seen him do one thing but lie out of his asshole!!!

**Nhra Firebird** · 12-31-2010, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by bluehawk2000

Damn you ugly and old how far do you walk to get laid?

I'm in the middle of the 2nd row

**Nhra Firebird** · 12-31-2010, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by bluehawk2000

Like anybody give a shit about this shitty president we have in office right now, I havent seen him do one thing but lie out of his asshole!!!

Anybody that works for a union must care about obama because part of their dues went to his campaign.

**nhraformula** · 12-31-2010, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Nhra Firebird

http://www.abcil.org/Education/Appre...ning_FAQs.aspx

They are only recognized within member companies, extremely anti union companies at that. They do not nearly make the wages us "union" guys do nor can they apply at any downtown Chicago employers considering they have a pack with BOMO and they cant even apply for fed or local gov jobs as those are covered by union agreements
http://www.bomachicago.org/

ABCIL is the brain child of anti union marketing companies.

**bluehawk2000** · 12-31-2010, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by nhraformula

They are only recognized within member companies, extremely anti union companies at that. They do not nearly make the wages us "union" guys do nor can they apply at any downtown Chicago employers considering they have a pack with BOMO and they cant even apply for fed or local gov jobs as those are covered by union agreements
http://www.bomachicago.org/

ABCIL is the brain child of anti union marketing companies.

This is a major example for you, whose team do you join the only guy putting up an argument against 20 people or join the other team that has better points of view and more proof. I am going with everybody else on this factor expecially since obama has to do with unions seems like the only thing I hear from obama is

seems like unions are a bunch of

**nhraformula** · 12-31-2010, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by bluehawk2000

Like anybody give a shit about this shitty president we have in office right now, I havent seen him do one thing but lie out of his asshole!!!

I agree as i am not a fan of his, but the point i was making is that being from Chicago any politician is a big union supporter

**nhraformula** · 12-31-2010, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by bluehawk2000

This is a major example for you, whose team do you join the only guy putting up an argument against 20 people or join the other team that has better points of view and more proof. I am going with everybody else on this factor expecially since obama has to do with unions seems like the only thing I hear from obama is

seems like unions are a bunch of

I picked my team long ago and am happy with it.
Truth be told i could give two shits what people say or dont, generally the ones that complain the most are the whiny haters who dont have unionized jobs making less $$$$

You dont know a thing about unions yet call them BS, very very educated

**nhraformula** · 12-31-2010, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Nhra Firebird

Project Labor aggrement. Obama wants all federally funded projects over 25 million dollars be built by union only contractors. It's a payback to the unions for helping to get him in office. Google executive order # 13502 ( government endorsed discirmination)

So when other special interest groups throw money at the powers to be, thats not good either correct?