How can we stop this?

**67CamaroRSSS** · 12-28-2010, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by ButtHoleSurfer

This is also why public education sucks. Public Educational teachers are all union. Can't get rid of a bad teacher these days.

The Department of Education. Yet another fucked up idea brought to you from the makers of the Carter Quarter...

**Sarge** · 12-29-2010, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by ButtHoleSurfer

This is also why public education sucks. Public Educational teachers are all union. Can't get rid of a bad teacher these days.

Teachers Unions.....Exist for the teachers...the benefits, the inability to get fired for non performance etc.
Show me anywhere in the Teachers Union By Laws where student is even fucking mentioned. You will not find it.....not even a mention of actually teaching a student anything.

I wonder if a teacher would like to go to a Doctor who belonged to a Doctors Union and had no worries about fucking up and doing a lousy job and nobody could fire him nor stop him from practicing even after years of complaints, and documented history of that Doctor not doing his job.....

This is why The Soviet Union collapsed. This is why Communist China had no choice but to allow free enterprise into their economy. Unions/Socialism doesn't work. You end up with a bunch of lazy do nothing bums.

**FasstChevys** · 12-29-2010, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Teachers Unions.....Exist for the teachers...the benefits, the inability to get fired for non performance etc.
Show me anywhere in the Teachers Union By Laws where student is even fucking mentioned. You will not find it.....not even a mention of actually teaching a student anything.

I wonder if a teacher would like to go to a Doctor who belonged to a Doctors Union and had no worries about fucking up and doing a lousy job and nobody could fire him nor stop him from practicing even after years of complaints, and documented history of that Doctor not doing his job.....

This is why The Soviet Union collapsed. This is why Communist China had no choice but to allow free enterprise into their economy. Unions/Socialism doesn't work. You end up with a bunch of lazy do nothing bums.

Most of which are under 30, IMHO.

Wait until the baby boomers are all but retired - it's going to get ugly.

If I recall correctly - the birth rate isn't high enough, and there won't be enough people to fill in the work force. People need to start

more, or we'll have to figure out the immigration thing...............I think???

**PhillyLs1** · 12-29-2010, 04:23 AM

Unions are the cancer of society. Hopefully there will be a reckoning in this country some day.

**Sarge** · 12-29-2010, 04:40 AM

Unions today are nothing more than political action committee's....pushing the hard left Socialist agenda.

**Schmalgar** · 12-29-2010, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Unions today are nothing more than political action committee's....pushing the hard left Socialist agenda.

No. The unions push their own agenda, which is just about making money. Call them liberal or socialist, but really they're just borederline criminal scumbags who make their millions off the working folks they screw over.

**loasdrums** · 12-29-2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Schmalgar

No. The unions push their own agenda, which is just about making money. Call them liberal or socialist, but really they're just borederline criminal scumbags who make their millions off the working folks they screw over.

Like the companies they originally fought to begin with.

**67CamaroRSSS** · 12-29-2010, 08:35 PM

The Department of Energy. Yet another fucked up idea brought to you from the makers of the Carter Quarter...

Are you guys sensing a trend here?

**krese** · 12-29-2010, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Schmalgar

No. The unions push their own agenda, which is just about making money. Call them liberal or socialist, but really they're just borederline criminal scumbags who make their millions off the working folks they screw over.

we know this but what sarge means is that they have attached themselves to the left as a win/win..... left gets union votes and left gives political favors to the unions. win/win for them and amerika fails.

**Schmalgar** · 12-29-2010, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by loasdrums

Like the companies they originally fought to begin with.

Ha. Hadn't considered the irony. They have become what they sought to destroy.

**Schmalgar** · 12-29-2010, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by krese

we know this but what sarge means is that they have attached themselves to the left as a win/win..... left gets union votes and left gives political favors to the unions. win/win for them and amerika fails.

Ok that I understand. Just needed it translated from oldese...

**67CamaroRSSS** · 12-29-2010, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Schmalgar

Ok that I understand. Just needed it translated from oldese...

Oldese?

Surely you jest son...

**Schmalgar** · 12-29-2010, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

Oldese?

Surely you jest son...

heh you gave me a laugh before bed.

**nhraformula** · 12-30-2010, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Schmalgar

Hey, they shoved the American auto makers out of the country,

Actually Bill Clinton did with pushing and getting NAFTA threw. NAFTA has ruined this countries manufacturing base.
Even most of the non union shops closed up and out sourced their shit to China, Mexico and India.
Part of the reason is the high jobless rate now is because there are no such thing as "good paying" blue collar jobs left.

**Sarge** · 12-30-2010, 02:53 PM

Socialist wipe out the middle class. It is the plan. Demonize the job creators, wipe out the middle class ....make everybody dependent on BIG GOVERNMENT.

**nhraformula** · 12-30-2010, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Unions destroy companies. Unions destroy your ability to be promoted based on your performance. The shittiest worker is going to get the same pay and benefits as the guy busting his ass.
People are not stupid.
Unions had their place years and years ago. Today we have labor laws. Who the fuck needs a union? For what? So you can "donate" 8 hours of pay a month to some dickhead that could care less about you or your family?

I am a union member and have been a long time. I was hurt at work almost 3 years back because of an on the job injury.
To make a long story short, i was on workmens comp for quite awhile and when i was cleared to go back to work, my employer started fucking with me with the intent of getting rid/firing me. Not because i was a bad employee mind you, but just because they can. It got to the point that the union hired one of the top labor law lawyers here in Chicago at $400 an hour to take up my case. After much ranging and a threat of a multiable lawsuit, my employer backed down. My union membership costs two hours of pay per month. What our union members get with that is a managed health care system, killer pension plan and a slew of other shit.
The guys in my union you refer to Dickheads actually look out for the little guy.

Originally Posted by tornado

unions are for lazy people and ruin companies.

That just shows ignorance on your part.

Originally Posted by SiggyZ

Unions are for poo poo faces.

X2 ignorance

Originally Posted by Schmalgar

No. The unions push their own agenda, which is just about making money. Call them liberal or socialist, but really they're just borederline criminal scumbags who make their millions off the working folks they screw over.

Criminal huh, what about the fine non union people at ENRON for example, what about teh bankers and all the other wonderful non union people that got the economy where it is today?

You haters wanna bash unions whatever.
The powers to be at any company are Not your friends and are only looking out for themselves. The downfall of any company is corporate greed, plain and simple.

**Sarge** · 12-30-2010, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by nhraformula

I am a union member and have been a long time. I was hurt at work almost 3 years back because of an on the job injury.
To make a long story short, i was on workmens comp for quite awhile and when i was cleared to go back to work, my employer started fucking with me with the intent of getting rid/firing me. Not because i was a bad employee mind you, but just because they can. It got to the point that the union hired one of the top labor law lawyers here in Chicago at $400 an hour to take up my case. After much ranging and a threat of a multiable lawsuit, my employer backed down. My union membership costs two hours of pay per month. What our union members get with that is a managed health care system, killer pension plan and a slew of other shit.
The guys in my union you refer to Dickheads actually look out for the little guy.

That just shows ignorance on your part.

X2 ignorance

Criminal huh, what about the fine non union people at ENRON for example, what about teh bankers and all the other wonderful non union people that got the economy where it is today?

You haters wanna bash unions whatever.
The powers to be at any company are Not your friends and are only looking out for themselves. The downfall of any company is corporate greed, plain and simple.

Any lawyer would take your case on contingency.
The power to be at the Union level are not your friend either.
Unions pray on the uninformed and those that will not stand up for themselves.
Criminals that you mentioned are in jail. As are tons of Union "reps".

Hey you want somebody else to be your sole bargaining agent by all means knock yourself out. I am an American....I will bargain with my abilities any old day.

Ignorance? I was the 2nd shift UAW rep for a few years at Bell Helicopter. Ignorance. Nope...inside experience. Yup.

**Nhra Firebird** · 12-30-2010, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by nhraformula

The guys in my union you refer to Dickheads actually look out for the little guy.

Criminal huh, what about the fine non union people at ENRON for example, what about teh bankers and all the other wonderful non union people that got the economy where it is today?

You haters wanna bash unions whatever.
The powers to be at any company are Not your friends and are only looking out for themselves. The downfall of any company is corporate greed, plain and simple.

So why is 85% of the US work force non union? What happens to all the union dues when you leave after a short say in the union... They keep it (steal it ). Non union workers get their monies when they leave a company. Then how come to unions get to keep it.

I would say this is Criminal.

http://biggovernment.com/bjacobson/2...ming-blizzard/

How about this union boss?
http://www.regularguy.com/news/news_...icket-walmart/

**wheeliE-maxx** · 12-30-2010, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Socialist wipe out the middle class. It is the plan. Demonize the job creators, wipe out the middle class ....make everybody dependent on BIG GOVERNMENT.

ruin smaller towns aswell in many cases. Unions are good for screwing over the nyc population in winter. Drive slow, skip streets, keep your blade high. Plow trucks that is

**nhraformula** · 12-30-2010, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Any lawyer would take your case on contingency.
The power to be at the Union level are not your friend either.
Unions pray on the uninformed and those that will not stand up for themselves.
Criminals that you mentioned are in jail. As are tons of Union "reps".

Hey you want somebody else to be your sole bargaining agent by all means knock yourself out. I am an American....I will bargain with my abilities any old day.

Ignorance? I was the 2nd shift UAW rep for a few years at Bell Helicopter. Ignorance. Nope...inside experience. Yup.

Yes any lawyer would take on my case, but "I" would have to pay for it.
As for bargaining, guys who are non union engineers make 40% less than us.
Now as for unions preying on people, yes they go after business owners so that average Joe can have a honest living wages.
There were 1000s of bankers, loan companies and so on that were charged with nothing but given billions of dollars so the company would not fold.

Originally Posted by Nhra Firebird

So why is 85% of the US work force non union? What happens to all the union dues when you leave after a short say in the union... They keep it (steal it ). Non union workers get their monies when they leave a company. Then how come to unions get to keep it.

I would say this is Criminal.

http://biggovernment.com/bjacobson/2...ming-blizzard/

How about this union boss?
http://www.regularguy.com/news/news_...icket-walmart/

Those are basically blogs and you post that as a reference, you can do better come on.
As for money put into the union and then you leave, you get back pension payments that were taken out from your check.
85% of the work force is non union simply cause companies spend billions every year on union busting lawyers, services and scare tactics.