Young People (Relatively)

**Aetos** · 10-04-2010, 08:34 AM

**clovenhooves** · 10-04-2010, 09:12 AM

Decline of common courtesy? Maybe in the family, manners are dying. In public, there's clearly an increase in obnoxiousness, but I'm not aware of a decline in things like "Please" and "Thank you."

Too many of today's kids and young adults have been indulged, but I don't agree with "Children should be seen and not heard." Kids who feel unloved don't grow up into great adults. A cold, uncaring person with good manners is not good for society.

**LeadFarmer** · 10-04-2010, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Schmalgar

Good times though. It proved that you really don't need an electronic leash to live. Civilization got along fine for 5,000 years without instant communication...

this is absolutely true. My dad is the president of a collision repair company and an electrical engineer for ericsson and has never had a cell phone to this day, and has never needed one.

**Nhra Firebird** · 10-04-2010, 02:17 PM

what we gain in technology we lose in humanity

**FasstChevys** · 10-04-2010, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by tnthub

My wife and brother are a decade younger than me and my wife's sister is 20 years younger than I am.

There are definite differences in the generations and how we relate to other people.

I think the lack of "thank you", "please", and common courtesy is fairly common for people in the 15-25 age range of all generations. As much as I tried to be courteous when I was young it always seemed like a pain in the butt to write thank you letters (for example), but as I got older that type of courtesy became a way to remember how kind or nice someone was to me and the act of being respectful became easier.

However, I do notice the expectations of my sister in law, 20 years younger than me, in terms of employment, saving for the future, and general life expectations, seem to be far more reliant upon big government and other people and I have found this fairly common in her age group (30-35).

I was brought up to believe nobody was going to take care of me except myself. She was brought up to believe that company retirement plans, social security, and medicare would take care of her.

In my opinion we need to get back to the self-reliance model and become more tolerant of other people. We also need to spend less than we earn, take responsibility for our own retirement plans, and not have more children than we can support.

100% - and I am that way as well. I've been in a savings program for 15 years - the longer I am involved in it, the more it opens my eyes to how screwed I'd be if I wasn't!

**FasstChevys** · 10-04-2010, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by krese

children should be seen and not heard... too bad that way of thinking is dead... you basically are retarded till you are about 23-28 for the most part... once you get close to 30 you start to understand how retarded you really were. in the past people had to grow up faster but now you get to be young and retarded longer.

I totally agree, great post!

**cammed goat** · 10-04-2010, 03:02 PM

I was forced to grow up VERY early. When I was six, my mother suffered a fall that pretty much ruined her spine, which resulted in her being handicapped for 24 years now. I learned to wash my own dishes, take out the trash, help with the groceries. I was raised with the motto "THERE IS NO REWARD FOR FAILURE" which still holds true to this very day. I hate when I see kids scream obscenities to their parents' face. Makes me glad my @$$ was tanned for acting up when I was young. Folks today feel entitled to disrespect anyone they meet...which I feel is wrong. It's like when I met a kid a few years ago at a local hangout. He was bashing cops because he got beat up. Turned out he was beat because when he got stopped for D.W.I., he swung at the LEO prompting the LEO to toss the kid over the patrol car. I mean...really? Is it SO effin hard to take responsibility for your own poor actions/judgment?

**Schmalgar** · 10-04-2010, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by cammed goat

I was forced to grow up VERY early. When I was six, my mother suffered a fall that pretty much ruined her spine, which resulted in her being handicapped for 24 years now. I learned to wash my own dishes, take out the trash, help with the groceries. I was raised with the motto "THERE IS NO REWARD FOR FAILURE" which still holds true to this very day. I hate when I see kids scream obscenities to their parents' face. Makes me glad my @$$ was tanned for acting up when I was young. Folks today feel entitled to disrespect anyone they meet...which I feel is wrong. It's like when I met a kid a few years ago at a local hangout. He was bashing cops because he got beat up. Turned out he was beat because when he got stopped for D.W.I., he swung at the LEO prompting the LEO to toss the kid over the patrol car. I mean...really? Is it SO effin hard to take responsibility for your own poor actions/judgment?

Worse, it seems that people today demand that you respect them while giving no respect to others in return.

**02ragtop t/a** · 10-04-2010, 08:35 PM

This is areally great thread!! Myself being 52 11/12ths, the younger generation to me is a waste of oxygen. Probably 90% of people and kids I've met or interacted with whether at work, family functions, or social functions are rude, obnoxious, ignorant assholes who think the world owes them something!! My parents brought me up as a "gentleman", does anybody remember them? You know: Open doors for people, women elders, etc, Stand up when a LADY leaves or comes to your table ( at least in a public setting (formal)), light a lady's cigarette, ( or, nowadays, her crack pipe ), give an ELDER a seat on the bus, yes ma'am (sir), no ma'am (sir), etc. How many people know that if you are walking down the avenue with your g/f or wife ( NOT AT THE SAME TIME, OF COURSE) that the man is always supposed to walk on the "street side" ? I just think that nowadays these kids should get a backhand to the head every now and then. It sure as hell couldn't hurt. But the ignorance is everywhere. People just don't give two shits about anybody but themselves and/or what's in it for them

**Schmalgar** · 10-04-2010, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by 02ragtop t/a

This is areally great thread!! Myself being 52 11/12ths, the younger generation to me is a waste of oxygen. Probably 90% of people and kids I've met or interacted with whether at work, family functions, or social functions are rude, obnoxious, ignorant assholes who think the world owes them something!! My parents brought me up as a "gentleman", does anybody remember them? You know: Open doors for people, women elders, etc, Stand up when a LADY leaves or comes to your table ( at least in a public setting (formal)), light a lady's cigarette, ( or, nowadays, her crack pipe ), give an ELDER a seat on the bus, yes ma'am (sir), no ma'am (sir), etc. How many people know that if you are walking down the avenue with your g/f or wife ( NOT AT THE SAME TIME, OF COURSE) that the man is always supposed to walk on the "street side" ? I just think that nowadays these kids should get a backhand to the head every now and then. It sure as hell couldn't hurt. But the ignorance is everywhere. People just don't give two shits about anybody but themselves and/or what's in it for them

It's funny you mention that, I see that all the time around here where the woman or worse the children are on the road side and the guy is on the far side. I'm with you, whether it be chivalry or sexism or outdated or whatever, the man should put himself closer to the dangerous side for his woman.

**allbaugh_04** · 10-04-2010, 09:00 PM

That's cuz the man is smarter, why should I put myself in harm's way..

**02ragtop t/a** · 10-05-2010, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by allbaugh_04

That's cuz the man is smarter, why should I put myself in harm's way..

I didn't think there would BE any harm's way in Nebraska, what with only 4 or 5 people livin' there! LOL!

**FasstChevys** · 10-05-2010, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by 02ragtop t/a

I didn't think there would BE any harm's way in Nebraska, what with only 4 or 5 people livin' there! LOL!

**jiveass** · 10-05-2010, 05:06 AM

i think the internet has made interaction with other people a little too impersonal...theres no effort, no regard for your actions or the things you say..

**ls1camino** · 10-05-2010, 05:19 AM

Late comer to this thread...

I am not the norm when people talk about young people. I got a job at 14, I went to college, I moved out when I was 19, I got married at 23, etc. I am chivalrous and I "ma'am" and "sir" my superiors (both in age and work "rank").

My biggest problem with people of my age and slightly younger, is that they act like the world (and the people in it) owe them everything.

Example...I have a friend who is a month older than me. We've had the exact same life experiences at pretty much the exact same time (moving out, work, school, etc.). When he wanted to add performance to his C5, he asked me for help. Being the good friend who has knowledge in this matter, I said I would help. I spent just under 40 hours replacing his Transmission/Clutch, and installing Headers, X-Pipe, Catback, and Intake Manifold. Know what I got for it? A "thanks" and 2 dinners at Taco Bell. I was at least expecting a nice dinner and some alcohol. I just saved him about $4k in shop labor and I got $10 worth of food. When I confronted him about it, he got all defensive and said that I should have done it because we were friends.

Anther example, my best friend's wife. She never worked a minute until she got her degree in Psychology. Her parents paid for everything...her college, her car, and her to live at home till she was 23 and got married in June 08. One time she was out shopping with my [then] fiance, I think Summer '09. She literally called her parents and asked to borrow $200 (transfer to her bank account) for the clothes she was trying to buy. I can't remember if her parents sent her money or not, but I was just floored that she called her parents asking for money when she was 24 AND married.

**FasstChevys** · 10-05-2010, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by ls1camino

My biggest problem with people of my age and slightly younger, is that they act like the world (and the people in it) owe them everything.

That is my biggest beef as well - I see it all the time, and I have no problem calling them out on it. I usually get the deer in the headlights look -

I fired a kid like that once - and I told him, "maybe you'll understand what I'm talking about someday." His work ethic sucked and put more time and effort in to getting people to do his job for him, than had he just done the right thing and did it himself. He explained his absences as "taking care of his family." I explained to him the best way for him to take care of his family was to actually be at work to make money so he could put food on the table.

He didn't get it.

**Schmalgar** · 10-05-2010, 07:14 AM

It's this simple. When I was younger, old people sucked. Now that I am older, young people suck.

Every generation feels that way. Mine is the only one that's correct.

**jiveass** · 10-05-2010, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Schmalgar

It's this simple. When I was younger, old people sucked. Now that I am older, young people suck.

Every generation feels that way. Mine is the only one that's correct.

im 7 years younger than you..but i agree...young people suck

**tnthub** · 10-05-2010, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by FasstChevys

That is my biggest beef as well - I see it all the time, and I have no problem calling them out on it. I usually get the deer in the headlights look -

I fired a kid like that once - and I told him, "maybe you'll understand what I'm talking about someday." His work ethic sucked and put more time and effort in to getting people to do his job for him, than had he just done the right thing and did it himself. He explained his absences as "taking care of his family." I explained to him the best way for him to take care of his family was to actually be at work to make money so he could put food on the table.

He didn't get it.

I have had to do that as well. However I remember most the one time I did not fire the slacker. He had a summer job with me about a decade ago and despite the fact he was lazy, late to show up. left early, and needed to be reminded to work instead of loaf all day long I kept him around hoping he might learn something.

He contacted me several years later and thanked me for the life lessons. He apologized to me for being a loafer and then he asked why I kept him on instead of dumping him.

I replied that I thought he was smart and had potential if he could ever figure out that he needed to actively contribute to his workplace.

He is now a successful merchant marine and he credits me with starting him on the opath to success. Crap like that make me feel good.

**clovenhooves** · 10-05-2010, 08:10 AM

With this thread, I have stumbled upon success

Thanks.

Okay, loafing - the Internet again? There's even a commercial that approvingly shows a kid using the Internet to goof off when it's supposed to be for homework. Mobile devices in the class, too - more conditioning for misbehavior. But I don't really know how age at work relates to abusing Internet access there.