OffDuty Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Marine 13 times

**Sarge** · 06-10-2010, 04:28 AM

I was trained to empty the mag in them. But this guy (LEO) is criminal and going to the Big House to be Leroy's bitch. That is flat out murder.

**jad628** · 06-10-2010, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by GTP231

What kind of leo are you jad? Just asking since i know what cam is

A detective, and I'm on a specialty team. Not trying to be evasive, but I have to be careful what I say about it (policy).

**GTP231** · 06-10-2010, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by jad628

A detective, and I'm on a specialty team. Not trying to be evasive, but I have to be careful what I say about it (policy).

That's fine wasn't sure if you were a fed trained or local.

**pecha** · 06-10-2010, 07:13 AM

wait
Sarge is back?

**Sarge** · 06-10-2010, 07:22 AM

I am? I didn't know I went anywhere.....I am right here.....

**pecha** · 06-10-2010, 07:32 AM

awesome

**Jumper** · 06-10-2010, 07:38 PM

Relax everyone, this is Baltimore City, one of the biggest shit-holes in America.
A new murder or scandal will replace this in a few hours.

**whoa guy** · 06-10-2010, 08:22 PM

although sympathetic to the victims family.. we're missing some details here....

**pecha** · 06-10-2010, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by whoa guy

although sympathetic to the victims family.. we're missing some details here....

now tell me, what details would warrant shooting at him 13 times?

**whoa guy** · 06-10-2010, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by pecha

now tell me, what details would warrant shooting at him 13 times?

nothing at all, but i wouldn't be surprised if there are some key details the media is leaving out. i hope i'm completely wrong though. Heartbreaking situations like this are used by gun control lefties and we all know how the media will stretch what they can to support the movement.

**RJWZ28** · 06-10-2010, 09:50 PM

I completely agree that this guy needs to be locked away or worse. This incident makes me sick. It is absolutely disgusting that our country loses a soldier because an officer has no self-control or good judgement. Nobody should have their gun on them while intoxicated.

I conceal off-duty, regardless of where I am going (obvious exceptions being the beach or the pool). I do not drink, and therefore will not leave my gun home just because I will be entering a bar or restaurant serving alcohol. Our policy requires anybody who is drinking to be unarmed; otherwise we have no restrictions on where we can go with our service pistols. I will also agree with jad on the tactics side of things, I will shoot until the threat is eliminated, period. No more, no less force than necessary to stop the threat.

**blackSS01** · 06-10-2010, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by RJWZ28

I completely agree that this guy needs to be locked away or worse. This incident makes me sick. It is absolutely disgusting that our country loses a soldier because an officer has no self-control or good judgement. Nobody should have their gun on them while intoxicated.

I conceal off-duty, regardless of where I am going (obvious exceptions being the beach or the pool). I do not drink, and therefore will not leave my gun home just because I will be entering a bar or restaurant serving alcohol. Our policy requires anybody who is drinking to be unarmed; otherwise we have no restrictions on where we can go with our service pistols. I will also agree with jad on the tactics side of things, I will shoot until the threat is eliminated, period. No more, no less force than necessary to stop the threat.

Only way I can see needing to shoot 13 times to stop the threat was if the guy was on PCP

**Packy** · 06-11-2010, 11:15 AM

Damn that is a crazy story!

**GTP231** · 06-11-2010, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Jumper

Relax everyone, this is Baltimore City, one of the biggest shit-holes in America.
A new murder or scandal will replace this in a few hours.

Either dickson uses more gift cards illegally they arrest another 7 year old for sitting his dirt bike

**Z28Thunder** · 06-11-2010, 03:32 PM

Charges Considered Against Officer Who Killed Marine

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/23822265/detail.html

**GTP231** · 06-11-2010, 03:40 PM

The considered part makes me sick. He should be locked up and ass raped daily already

**Z28Thunder** · 06-11-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by GTP231

The considered part makes me sick. He should be locked up and ass raped daily already

We probably all agree about that. Did you read the article? It does sound like the officer will soon be doing time.

**GTP231** · 06-11-2010, 03:46 PM

On my phone so not yet. Just hearing considered just sounds wrong

**raynor139** · 06-11-2010, 04:20 PM

After reading that article im surprised they let officers keep their jobs after the many offenses he had.

**cam02ss** · 06-11-2010, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by jad628

Our training is that two shots are immediately authorized when deadly force is necessary AND as many follow up shots as deemed necessary to neutralize the threat. The third and following shots are up to the officer to decide if needed or not. Once the threat is eliminated, no further shots are authorized.
Over time, it's been determined that the "double-tap" is a good strategy with both rounds usually being very close to one another. It usually takes a slight (and quick) adjustment after the first two rounds to ensure the impact of the round is where it needs to be, especially if the first two rounds don't appear effective (body armor, etc.), at which time groin and head shots are better options. All of this takes place within a second or so, but the information is valuable from a survival standpoint. Sound tactics, in my opinion.

We stray from this somewhat in what we call REDS training. This training is structured towards situations like Columbine where active shooters are killing victims and regular tactics/strategies are too slow and will cost lives. In those cases I assure you our response is very, very, different. Suffice it to say we ain't comin' in to play patty-cake.

Sounds like very similar training. Two to the chest, one to the head- from there whatever it takes to eliminate the threat. Agreed with the active shooter bit- that gives way to a whole new ball game.