Is the Buick GN one of the best Muscle Cars Ever?

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10-27-2011, 04:41 PM
Murder after Midnight

Is the Buick GN one of the best Muscle Cars Ever?

Got a chance to take my GN out this past summer a few times after getting it painted and i got a ton of compliments........Every gas station every other stop light and any place i went People would stop me and ask about the car, people would always offer to buy it and asking would i sell it.....even when crusing with my buddy and he has a spotless 71 chevelle SS396 my car would get all the attention at gas stations and meets......This got me thinking man this car has got to be one of the best most respected muscle cars of all time but just how how on the list would it be in your opinion? top 10? top 5? the best ever?
10-27-2011, 05:30 PM
senicalj4579

Its a cool car and pretty amazing fast for back in the day and still to some of todays standars but its a 6 banger so its a no in my book.
10-27-2011, 06:27 PM
pajeff02

Other than our Trans Am, it is the only car that I have always wanted from the very day I first saw one.
10-27-2011, 06:45 PM
cpop98ws6

My dad has one with 22,000 miles on it. GNs were my dream car when I was a kid, I begged my dad to buy it when his friend found it for sale. I was about12 years old when he bought it. He sold his 84 Corvette that he had for it. I love taking that car out for a cruise. I get more looks and comments in that then I do in my t/a.
10-27-2011, 06:47 PM
senicalj4579

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpop98ws6

My dad has one with 22,000 miles on it. GNs were my dream car when I was a kid, I begged my dad to buy it when his friend found it for sale. I was about12 years old when he bought it. He sold his 84 Corvette that he had for it. I love taking that car out for a cruise. I get more looks and comments in that then I do in my t/a.

Only 22k now thats something special man :D
10-27-2011, 07:06 PM
TLS_Addict

GN....no. GNX.....yes.

Lets see. The GN goes like hell and is faster out of the box than 99.99999% of all muscle cars from teh 60s/70s, it handles like shit, and the brakes are junk. Yup, thats a muscle car in my book and no I am not joking. Its a muscle car with style and attitude.
10-27-2011, 07:17 PM
cpop98ws6

Definitly a muscle car in my book, and you are right it handles Like shit and the brakes suck but it does do a 40 mph burnout :)
10-27-2011, 07:23 PM
TLS_Addict

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpop98ws6

Definitly a muscle car in my book, and you are right it handles Like shit and the breaks suck but it does do a 40 mph burnout :)

Thats all that matters.
10-27-2011, 07:50 PM
senicalj4579

I just cant put a late 80s turboed 6 banger in the same catagory as a late 60s early 70s v8 musclecar. I guess if they put a turbo on a 1987 chevy chevette it could have been a musclecar no? lol
10-27-2011, 08:19 PM
SMWS6TA

Best Muscle car of the 80's yes, all time no. Best all time sleeper = Hell Yeah!
10-27-2011, 08:32 PM
Stinger

It's a cool car, but not in my top ten.
10-27-2011, 09:06 PM
FasstChevys

I think it's definitely in the top 10, and definitely is #1 as far as the 80's go.

Streetable 9's are very real, streetable 10's are common place, 11's are a walk in the park with very little money.
10-27-2011, 10:33 PM
Smittro

Buick Grand National vs.Dodge Viper - YouTube
2002 Z28, Heads/Cam vs 1986 Grand National, 72 mm turbo - YouTube

Any questions? :lmao:

I see a bunch of silly postings, "it's a v6 so no", "top 10, no"....

Don't kid yourself, it's deffinetly in the top ten and one of the most highly sought after MUSCLE cars..

Don't think so? Open your eyes and do some research..

Just as the above post 8's-9's-10's-11's all day long..

With the right block, bored and stroked, 1800+ hp is doable..

They were fast then and nearly 30 years later they are fast now..
10-27-2011, 10:43 PM
Smittro

The Sixteenth Buick Video - YouTube
10-27-2011, 10:54 PM
Smittro

GN vs Viper - YouTube
10-27-2011, 10:57 PM
Smittro

Grand National single turbo 1,500 horsepower dale cherry - YouTube
10-28-2011, 03:06 AM
pajeff02

Two miles from my house is a Buick GN with 471 miles on the clock. Still can't get a price from the owner.
10-28-2011, 03:24 AM
FasstChevys

Quote:

Originally Posted by pajeff02

Two miles from my house is a Buick GN with 471 miles on the clock. Still can't get a price from the owner.

I'd say it's in the 30K range, maybe/probably more.
10-28-2011, 03:25 AM
pajeff02

Quote:

Originally Posted by FasstChevys

I'd say it's in the 30K range, maybe/probably more.

I was thinking 35'ish, so that's about right.
10-28-2011, 03:28 AM
cpop98ws6

Quote:

Originally Posted by pajeff02

Two miles from my house is a Buick GN with 471 miles on the clock. Still can't get a price from the owner.

The price is climbing on these cars, I wouldn't be surprised if if he asked 20 to 25,000 for that car. Depending on the year, 86 and 87 were the only years for the inter cooler and in 1986 they only made around 1400 GNs.1987 was a different story, they made them into 1988 no sure on the production number but it was pretty high.
10-28-2011, 04:06 AM
FasstChevys

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpop98ws6

The price is climbing on these cars, I wouldn't be surprised if if he asked 20 to 25,000 for that car. Depending on the year, 86 and 87 were the only years for the inter cooler and in 1986 they only made around 1400 GNs.1987 was a different story, they made them into 1988 no sure on the production number but it was pretty high.

Without any doubt, that car is worth north of 25K.
10-28-2011, 04:32 AM
krese

if i had the choice between a mint 87 GTA or a mint GN i take the GTA every time.... call me crazy/stupid or what ever but the GN, as fast as it is, does nothing for me.... the mid-late 80s cutlass/monte carlo/regal were so bland and yuk looking to me. and i would kill for an 89 turbo TA which is just as fast as the GN i believe.
10-28-2011, 04:45 AM
cpop98ws6

Just as fast if not faster then the GN. Both cars out of the box ran right 13s.
10-28-2011, 04:58 AM
FasstChevys

Quote:

Originally Posted by krese

if i had the choice between a mint 87 GTA or a mint GN i take the GTA every time.... call me crazy/stupid or what ever but the GN, as fast as it is, does nothing for me.... the mid-late 80s cutlass/monte carlo/regal were so bland and yuk looking to me. and i would kill for an 89 turbo TA which is just as fast as the GN i believe.

The 89 20th Anniversary car is so cool! I gave my Mom the 20th Anniversary car that I had for Mother's Day a few years ago. She had several F-body cars throughout the 80's, and had always talked about having a sporty car again.
10-28-2011, 06:33 AM
TLS_Addict

Quote:

Originally Posted by senicalj4579

I just cant put a late 80s turboed 6 banger in the same catagory as a late 60s early 70s v8 musclecar. I guess if they put a turbo on a 1987 chevy chevette it could have been a musclecar no? lol

Chevette + turbo = slow. GN is a pretty quick ride out of the box.

Quote:

Originally Posted by krese

if i had the choice between a mint 87 GTA or a mint GN i take the GTA every time.... call me crazy/stupid or what ever but the GN, as fast as it is, does nothing for me.... the mid-late 80s cutlass/monte carlo/regal were so bland and yuk looking to me. and i would kill for an 89 turbo TA which is just as fast as the GN i believe.

Ok, how about a GNX? More power, faster than the GN and GTA, more rare, body variations, very limited production.

There is a good article to test the GTA vs a GN. It was close and I cant remember who won.

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Originally Posted by cpop98ws6

Just as fast if not faster then the GN. Both cars out of the box ran right 13s.

For an 80s car that is SMOKING.
10-28-2011, 06:37 AM
senicalj4579

Yea exactly. Late 80s 6-can that needed a turbo to do mid 13s out of the box. Big Deal. Your posting drag and modded cars to prove your point?! HAHAHAHA ok ok ok now lets post a vid of a turboed 4 cyl doing 10s.
GTA over GN anyday. Put that turbo on the GTA.
10-28-2011, 06:40 AM
cpop98ws6

The GNX was a totally different animal than the GN, up graded turbo and intercooler, independent rear suspension, fender flares, 16 inch wheels and I'm sure a few more I am forgetting. Only 5xx were made and they were BEASTS on the street and strip.
10-28-2011, 06:41 AM
senicalj4579

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLS_Addict

Chevette + turbo = slow. GN is a pretty quick ride out of the box.

Your missing the point. These guys are posting "MODDED" GNs to prove their point. Ill still say it...6cl turboed doing mid 13s big deal.
10-28-2011, 06:42 AM
TLS_Addict

Quote:

Originally Posted by senicalj4579

Yea exactly. Late 80s 6-can that needed a turbo to do mid 13s out of the box. Big Deal. Your posting drag and modded cars to prove your point?! HAHAHAHA ok ok ok now lets post a vid of a turboed 4 cyl doing 10s.
GTA over GN anyday. Put that turbo on the GTA.

The GTA does have the turbo. We are speaking of the Turbo GTA, not the slow as L98 GTA. That L98 sure as shit was hitting anywhere near 13s. lol Didnt matter 5-speed 305 or A4-350.

I agree with showing the modded ones, my case is purely for the stock ones. I dont care how a "stock" engine makes power as long as it does. :)
10-28-2011, 06:49 AM
cpop98ws6

In 1986 and 87 the GN was beating Corvettes, I can only imagine what it would have done toan f-body.
10-28-2011, 06:51 AM
krese

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLS_Addict

Chevette + turbo = slow. GN is a pretty quick ride out of the box.

Ok, how about a GNX? More power, faster than the GN and GTA, more rare, body variations, very limited production.

GNX. it would still make me sick to choose over a GTA but GNX is too rare and awesome to pass up....

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Originally Posted by cpop98ws6

In 1986 and 87 the GN was beating Corvettes, I can only imagine what it would have done toan f-body.

no doubt the GN was faster than 87-88 fbodies but to some of us it was not all about speed.... an 87 or 88 fbody with the L98 with 330tq was god damn fun up till the time LT1s became numerous. say 1994-1996ish... add that to a GTA and it was just sex. as i said, even if the GTA was slower it was more desireable to me at least.
10-28-2011, 07:00 AM
TLS_Addict

I remember the Corvette vs Camaro vs Firebird vs Mustang vs GN. The GN was the fastest but the clutch was shot on the Covette test car. I think that was an 86 or 87 issue................
10-28-2011, 07:04 AM
FasstChevys

Quote:

Originally Posted by senicalj4579

Your missing the point. These guys are posting "MODDED" GNs to prove their point. Ill still say it...6cl turboed doing mid 13s big deal.

I'd bet a ton of money you weren't seeing 13.anything in any stock optioned vehicle you owned in the 80's.

Part of what makes a muscle car a muscle car is it's ability, desirability, and/or potential to be modified to make it go faster.
10-28-2011, 07:15 AM
FasstChevys

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLS_Addict

I remember the Corvette vs Camaro vs Firebird vs Mustang vs GN. The GN was the fastest but the clutch was shot on the Covette test car. I think that was an 86 or 87 issue................

In '87, the GN was the fastest US production vehicle.
10-28-2011, 07:27 AM
justinmc978

I put top ten but I really put them behind nearly any muscle car in the 60's or 70's, I think they're a hot commodity because they are fast, different, and can be bought in decent condition at a decent price, so us common folk see them as more desireable. (I'm speaking for the majority here, I know there are some that would disagree) if we all had money to spend (save for Smittro) I think we would opt for the Chevelles, Camaros, etc though. Kind of like how most of us would ditch our F-bodies for a Vette if they were cheaper and more practical for everyday use. (again, I know a few of you would disagree)
10-28-2011, 07:33 AM
senicalj4579

I cant deny its fast. It is fast especially out of a time where emmissions was a big deal and cars were slugs lol. Im not denying its fast so lets not do that!
That Was a really good motor without a turbo. Not saying its fast without turbo but just really reliable motor.
Still not a musclecar in my book :D Great car though for sure especially for 80s :)
10-28-2011, 07:41 AM
TLS_Addict

I think its cooler looking than a lot of Muscle cars. I am a fan of almost anything 60s/70s but a GNX makes my blood boil....

GN...no. GNX....yes.
10-28-2011, 08:57 AM
Reggie West

My dad bought a 87 T Type new from the dealer in Cerritos and it's been a blast since. The T Type is mine now, he has a 9 second GN that is a race car and an 86 GN for the street.

I would put them on the top 10 list but the handling and the brakes are it's downfall. The aftermarket can fix that now but it's not a cheap project.

I can lay down 600 hp to the wheels no sweat with the T Type all day. It's not stock but it's not tons of money. The funny thing is everybody knows what a GN is but few know that the T Type is the same thing in sheeps clothing. if you keep your foot out of it I can get 26 mpg on the highway with it too.

Just my 2 cents
10-28-2011, 09:07 AM
cpop98ws6

I like the T-types, they are definitly a sleeper. My friend has a T-Type WE-4, everyone thinks its a GN.
10-28-2011, 11:59 AM
TLS_Addict

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggie West

My dad bought a 87 T Type new from the dealer in Cerritos and it's been a blast since. The T Type is mine now, he has a 9 second GN that is a race car and an 86 GN for the street.

I would put them on the top 10 list but the handling and the brakes are it's downfall. The aftermarket can fix that now but it's not a cheap project.

I can lay down 600 hp to the wheels no sweat with the T Type all day. It's not stock but it's not tons of money. The funny thing is everybody knows what a GN is but few know that the T Type is the same thing in sheeps clothing. if you keep your foot out of it I can get 26 mpg on the highway with it too.

Just my 2 cents

LOVE the T-types. :) Silver for me but I know a guy who has an 86 with 25k miles that he bought new. Its white BTW.
10-28-2011, 06:34 PM
GTP231

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpop98ws6

The GNX was a totally different animal than the GN, up graded turbo and intercooler, independent rear suspension, fender flares, 16 inch wheels and I'm sure a few more I am forgetting. Only 5xx were made and they were BEASTS on the street and strip.

GNX does not have an independent rear suspension. The proof is in the torque arms they used.
Senical how about this tid bit. They killed the turbo 6 cars because of all the Vette owners being but hurt about getting beat by them
10-28-2011, 06:35 PM
reedld

I love the GN....top ten! It's one of a few cars I' d be willing to sell/trade my 78 LS1 TA for..
10-29-2011, 02:12 AM
FasstChevys

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTP231

GNX does not have an independent rear suspension. The proof is in the torque arms they used.
Senical how about this tid bit. They killed the turbo 6 cars because of all the Vette owners being but hurt about getting beat by them

I questioned that as well, but didn't feel like looking it up :D
10-29-2011, 03:18 AM
cpop98ws6

I don't know why I thought it had independent rear, must have heard it somewhere.
10-29-2011, 05:29 AM
senicalj4579

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTP231

GNX does not have an independent rear suspension. The proof is in the torque arms they used.
Senical how about this tid bit. They killed the turbo 6 cars because of all the Vette owners being but hurt about getting beat by them

Thats great. A turboed 6 cyl. Yep. Im convinced. Good job.
10-29-2011, 07:29 AM
Murder after Midnight

Quote:

Originally Posted by senicalj4579

Thats great. A turboed 6 cyl. Yep. Im convinced. Good job.

If you don't like the car.....why dont you just keep it moving.....are u mad you lost to one or something
10-29-2011, 01:18 PM
Heavyvette

It's definately a legend but you have to be careful when saying the best musclecar because there are some real "jaw droppin wheeler dealer killers" out there.
10-29-2011, 01:29 PM
Smittro

Sorry Murder, but this is what happens every time a v6 making better than many v8 numbers gets brought up..

It's the main reason I see no reason to update my build thread any longer..

People get all butt hurt over v6's and quite frankly it's rediculas, especially when coming from folks whom know nothing about a good v6..

Separately:

The 3.8 BOP 90* v6 evolved into the 3800 series 90* v6 and became lighter..

It was also more reliable than any other domestic 90* v6 ever made.. (anyone whom does'nt think so can look it up)..

The 3800 series V6 went on the be named, "best domestic engine ever produced" which can also be looked up..

With reliability so well known, it get's used in everything from grandma's grocery getter, to 4x4 jeeps and rock crawlers..

When ever the LSx line and the SBC, (BBC's for that matter) which was produced for more than 50 years gains that title then people can talk legitimate shit on how terrible or how a v6 is nothing because it lacks 2 more cylinders..

"No replacement for displacement" huh?

Well time open your eyes folks, there are 6 cylinders out there well over 300 cubes, and strokers too...

So let's cut the bullshit shall we!!?
10-29-2011, 01:38 PM
Smittro

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTP231

GNX does not have an independent rear suspension. The proof is in the torque arms they used.
Senical how about this tid bit. They killed the turbo 6 cars because of all the Vette owners being but hurt about getting beat by them

absolutely right!
10-29-2011, 02:25 PM
Murder after Midnight

Preach
10-29-2011, 05:27 PM
Z28Thunder

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smittro

When ever the LSx line and the SBC, (BBC's for that matter) which was produced for more than 50 years gains that title then people can talk legitimate shit on how terrible or how a v6 is nothing because it lacks 2 more cylinders..

"No replacement for displacement" huh?

Well time open your eyes folks, there are 6 cylinders out there well over 300 cubes, and strokers too...

So let's cut the bullshit shall we!!?

I am confused Smittro with the last statement. The OP asked " Is the Buick GN one of the best Muscle Cars Ever? ". That means the OP is asking for an opinion. You may or may not agree with them but oh well. Do I think the GN is the best Muscle Car nope. Is it a very very fast V6 yes sir. IMO the term muscle car is for cars from 1964 to 1975. That means I really don't think the LS1 f-body is a muscle car. Can the LS1 be a fast car yup. We had several fast V6's a few years back at the track. Many were modded GTP's several were running 12's. And we had a modded V6 f-body in the 13's. It was fun to watch stock or close to stock V8 cars get beat by the GTP's.
10-30-2011, 04:12 AM
2ManySS's

I'm a G-body body man owning a 87 Monte SS and can appreciate the GN and GNX's.
But muscle car? No!!!

Somebody alluded earlier to putting a turbo on a Chevette and calling it one.
Forced induction in itself IMO automatically says NO. Its not pure muscle, it took steroids!!

What made them great talking pieces is NECKCAR for one. The Monte running in the series popularized the G body even though the GNX's never ran in it, the platform was made very, very popular. Then the rarity because people whom know G body's and like them also know the rarity of those.

Thats the one thing I do not like about my G Body.
I get a shit ton of compliments about the car etc, but 85% of them come from the MILLIONS of Neckcar fans which I don't like neckcar. Tying a ball to a dogs tail is more fun than that!!!
10-30-2011, 04:18 PM
TLS_Addict

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTP231

GNX does not have an independent rear suspension. The proof is in the torque arms they used.
Senical how about this tid bit. They killed the turbo 6 cars because of all the Vette owners being but hurt about getting beat by them

It has a suspension set up to squat under acceleration.
10-30-2011, 04:21 PM
senicalj4579

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder after Midnight

If you don't like the car.....why dont you just keep it moving.....are u mad you lost to one or something

Thanks for chiming in.
No you are wrong I do like the car.
Why dont I keep it moving? Because guys like you keep quoting me so why not?
Am I mad I lost to one? Nope, cant say I have.
Anymore stupid questions?
10-30-2011, 04:36 PM
senicalj4579

LOL! WOW!
Who said anything about these motors being bad?! I think I may have said they were very good reliable motors no?
The butt hurt shit is so stupid. The only ones that are butt hurt around here are the ones who cant accept my opinion and let it be. I dont consider a FI 6 cyl to be a musclecar so fucking what?! Get over it. You guys consider it a musclecar thats fine I dont give a fuck. Whatever makes you happy!!!
10-30-2011, 05:58 PM
pajeff02

:toetap: Keep it civil guys.

And, for the record, I just purchased a V6 car this weekend that lays down 305 h.p. and 258 lb.ft. of torque. That's "muscle" in my book, as is the GN and a host of other 6 cylinder cars. The fact that they are doing it with 2 fewer cylinders than other muscle cars makes them all the cooler imo.
10-30-2011, 07:30 PM
TLS_Addict

Quote:

Originally Posted by pajeff02

:toetap: Keep it civil guys.

And, for the record, I just purchased a V6 car this weekend that lays down 305 h.p. and 258 lb.ft. of torque. That's "muscle" in my book, as is the GN and a host of other 6 cylinder cars. The fact that they are doing it with 2 fewer cylinders than other muscle cars makes them all the cooler imo.

Just like the commercial you "could have had a V8". lol I like he car and demand a ride.

When do you want to drop the pan on the Monte to check out the tranny? She shifted sort of funny on that blistering 16.17 pass.
10-30-2011, 09:02 PM
35th-ANV-SS

I'd have no shame in getting beat by a 6'er nor would I getting beat by a 4 banger. It's actually happened to me before. I had a SRT-4 whoop my ass. Granted he was boosted beyond belief, but he won and I gave him credit where credit was due.

I have not seen him since my supercharger install though. I plan on a re-match :D

I've always been a fan of the GN. It's just a beautiful car. One of my all-time favorites.
10-31-2011, 02:55 AM
Smittro

Quote:

Originally Posted by pajeff02

:toetap: Keep it civil guys.

And, for the record, I just purchased a V6 car this weekend that lays down 305 h.p. and 258 lb.ft. of torque. That's "muscle" in my book, as is the GN and a host of other 6 cylinder cars. The fact that they are doing it with 2 fewer cylinders than other muscle cars makes them all the cooler imo.

Ima guess it's also an N/A V6 and judging from the hp/torque spread it's a DOHC too?
10-31-2011, 03:03 AM
pajeff02

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLS_Addict

When do you want to drop the pan on the Monte to check out the tranny? She shifted sort of funny on that blistering 16.17 pass.

Have to bring her home first. Might not be until Spring at this point.

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Originally Posted by Smittro

Ima guess it's also an N/A V6 and judging from the hp/torque spread it's a DOHC too?

:yup: Chrylser's new Pentastar V6 -- N/A with DOHC and VVT. Can't wait to get her broke in so I can go out and wind her up. Over 4,000 rpm they are supposed to really sing.
10-31-2011, 03:25 AM
Smittro

To the other, The Buick GN has been listed as one of Buicks few Muscle cars for more than 20 years now..

Reguardless of what someone "considers" it to be out of personal opinion..

Superchargers and turbo's have been around for more than 80 years, so, the argument that this or that is not something or does'nt count because it's not N/A has long been without merit..

Just as the V6 argument is..

Last I checked FI dominated drag racing... Nuff said...

Even the earliest Corvette was powered by none other than a "blue flame" I6..

Definition of a "Muscle car" as per webster: "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving"

Muscle car - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Just as people have their opinions, so too, do people sometimes disagree with those opinions..

The point is there's no sense in acting like an ass-hat because people strongly disagree with your opinions or comments..
10-31-2011, 03:26 AM
pajeff02

^^ :yup:
10-31-2011, 03:28 AM
Smittro

Quote:

Originally Posted by pajeff02

Have to bring her home first. Might not be until Spring at this point.

:yup: Chrylser's new Pentastar V6 -- N/A with DOHC and VVT. Can't wait to get her broke in so I can go out and wind her up. Over 4,000 rpm they are supposed to really sing.

I think you'll like the DOHC setup in a v6 especially cranked up.. :yup:

I think I read somewhere that Chrysler is going with the 3.6L?, DOHC as their only v6 to be offered in various platforms in the future..iirc
10-31-2011, 03:48 AM
pajeff02

3.6 it is. Apparently, this is something that the Dodge boys have been working on for quite a while.
10-31-2011, 06:28 AM
justinmc978

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smittro

Definition of a "Muscle car" as per webster: "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving"

I'm sorry, but Corvettes are sports cars, and Cobalt SSs, for example, are NOT muscle cars, and that's not opinion.
10-31-2011, 06:34 AM
FasstChevys

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinmc978

I'm sorry, but Corvettes are sports cars, and Cobalt SSs, for example, are NOT muscle cars, and that's not opinion.

I'd go along with that Justin. :yup:
10-31-2011, 11:31 AM
Smittro

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinmc978

I'm sorry, but Corvettes are sports cars, and Cobalt SSs, for example, are NOT muscle cars, and that's not opinion.

Good point and I also agree since I hate 4-cylinders..

But as for the Buick GN, it has been listed as a muscle car for more than 20 years as I stated b4..

I don't think I have ever seen a Cobalt listed as such..

Also, it's listed as a compact, whereas Muscle cars are usually larger cars, or what was considered "mid-sized"...

We've rented Cobalts b4, and I have to say, IMHO, they are cheap junk, just as the loaner Aveo we had a couple of weeks ago was..

My wifes old 96 Z24 with the quad-4 5spd was a far nicer car inside then both the Aveo, and Cobalt..

But I still give respect if and where it's due..
10-31-2011, 06:22 PM
Heavyvette

Not puttin it down man!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z28Thunder

I am confused Smittro with the last statement. The OP asked " Is the Buick GN one of the best Muscle Cars Ever? ". That means the OP is asking for an opinion. You may or may not agree with them but oh well. Do I think the GN is the best Muscle Car nope. Is it a very very fast V6 yes sir. IMO the term muscle car is for cars from 1964 to 1975. That means I really don't think the LS1 f-body is a muscle car. Can the LS1 be a fast car yup. We had several fast V6's a few years back at the track. Many were modded GTP's several were running 12's. And we had a modded V6 f-body in the 13's. It was fun to watch stock or close to stock V8 cars get beat by the GTP's.

Thanks, Z28Thunder, you said just what i meant. I was not trying to put the GN down. Hey i'd love to own one and probably would be seen drooling over the one mentioned in the thread but "best ever" is a very tall subject.
10-31-2011, 06:39 PM
TLS_Addict

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Originally Posted by pajeff02

Have to bring her home first. Might not be until Spring at this point.

Well, it is supposed to be decent this week and possibly for a few more so if you want to buzz down someday and bring her home we can. :)
11-01-2011, 12:29 AM
2ManySS's

The universally accepted meaning of muscle car is a era , not open to debate, ran from 1967-1972 and some then argue 1965 because the GTO and the launch of the Mustang pony car had heated up the battle that started it all.
The launch of the emissions era downfall to h.p. began to take its toll in 1972.
11-01-2011, 02:14 AM
Smittro

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Originally Posted by 2ManySS's

The universally accepted meaning of muscle car is a era , not open to debate, ran from 1967-1972 and some then argue 1965 because the GTO and the launch of the Mustang pony car had heated up the battle that started it all.
The launch of the emissions era downfall to h.p. began to take its toll in 1972.

Definetly open for debate..

It's also universally accepted that since the "early era" of muscle cars began, that many cars have since born the label, "Muscle Car"..

More likely the lack of technology served to dampen NOT end the era, as the fuel crisis heated up, octane levels droppped, and leaded gasoline was removed from use..

Someone stating that the supposed "era" has ended is meaningless as manufacturers have never conceeded this to be true.

Reguardless of what TV, or a bunch of beer drinkers stuck in the stories of the good old days may have some believe..

The Muscle Car still lives as the tech has been long inplace to overcome the imposed fuel limitations and emissions limits..

Sure it can be debated that the "era" started in 65/67 but ended??

Hardly..........
08-18-2016, 10:05 AM
0rion

the greatest muscle car of all time has changed since this thread was started :lol:
08-18-2016, 10:54 AM
CJREX

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Originally Posted by 0rion

the greatest muscle car of all time has changed since this thread was started :lol:

Neon SRT, aka Skittle Xtreme?
08-18-2016, 01:14 PM
GTP231

Subaru STi?
08-18-2016, 05:12 PM
Murder after Midnight

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Originally Posted by 0rion

the greatest muscle car of all time has changed since this thread was started :lol:

Nothing has changed
08-19-2016, 06:44 AM
GTP231

Everything has changed
08-19-2016, 12:54 PM
Murder after Midnight

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Originally Posted by GTP231

Everything has changed

Nothing was the same
08-19-2016, 07:04 PM
GTP231

Then you agree everything has changed
08-22-2016, 07:34 PM
KahanaReef

:chuckles:

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