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Hey everyone.. I own a 99 Camaro SS. Bought it about a month ago.. I was just curious on this. I have been looking around for awhile but I have not been able to find off road h or x pipes. Are these Camaros set up to only run off the stock y pipe formation? any information would be helpful! thanks!
pretty much, you can run X pipes, but theyre usually custom made, never heard of anyone using an H pipe.
La Monte performance (LPP) makes a duals set up for our cars, its really nice, but it hangs low, and isnt inspection friendly in most states.
ok thank you! do you have any idea on the price range of the x pipe? if not I can run to the site and look real quick lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spikito
bassani makes a true duel exhaust setup for the f-body....think there about $900+
full 3inch/stainless, if i remember right
they dont sell just the x pipe on their site, but you might be able to call them
There are a couple companies that make true dual set ups. Bassani will go over the axle, and TSP will dump before. Depends on what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99_SSinful
I am looking for something that goes over the axle. Im thinking about having it dump out at 3" but I might just keep it at 2.5"
Sorry, I didnt mean just the x-pipe.. after re-reading my post I confused myself as well.. I am looking for the full setup.. does anyone know how difficult it is to install? Every exhaust pro that I have called around here wont put on any off road pipes.. so im going to be stuck doing it myself if I decide to get themQuote:
Originally Posted by Spikito
I was looking at that one but I wasnt sure if the 2000 was the same as the 99.. any imput?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
i believe kooks just came out with a new f-body true dual system...if i recall correctly it was upwards of $1600
the cheapest way is to have it custom done BUT alot of shops wont do true duals on these cars
i bought a magnaflow x pipe and have 3 in all the way back over axle. worked prettty good had a few issues due to going over axle thats it though. i definately think its worth it
If you want a true dual mandrel bent system for a 4th gen that you can simply bolt on and go over the axle then it's either this.....
Or this.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
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Originally Posted by Z28boy2000
Quite frankly the $600 price difference pretty much makes up my mind. I've seen and heard the Bassani setup, very nice system, and not obnoxiously loud.
There are no shops around here that will do anything with exhaust.. nor will they put headers on.. so all the exhaust set up will be left to me.. lol.. and im not trying to down grade you at all Firebirdjones.. but when it comes to my car... I want the best lol.. if the bassani is as good as ive heard then I will probably get that.. but I still need to know if the 2000 set up is the same as the 99
best way to fine out is to call them up so you know for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by 99_SSinful
that will be a tomorrow project.. im sure they are not open at 10:47 pm lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
damnit they need to be with the prices of there stuff :lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by 99_SSinful
I couldnt agree with you more! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
The photo shows one (exhaust pipe) that goes above the upper panhard rod support. The other one is below it and goes between the upper and axle. I would want both over the upper panhard. I know it is a Bassani exhaust but wonder if anyone has had damage to the pipe that goes between the upper and the axle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
hmmmm....IDK....but i have seen people run true duals straight, right under the rear axle and out the backQuote:
Originally Posted by Z28Thunder
And you can do what I think is over the axle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...6/HPIM1701.jpg
Again I know Bassani makes a good product. I would just wonder about the between pipe.
now only if a company would make something like that BUT that doesnt cost over $1000 :rant:Quote:
Originally Posted by Z28Thunder
once again I couldnt agree with you more! I know ill most likely end up spending the money just like they want you to.. but its just to keep the car breathing good! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
yep...i would understand $600-675 for something like that, from headers to tips, 3inch/stainlessQuote:
Originally Posted by 99_SSinful
I understand that no shop there will do work. But I would just wonder about the pipe between. I am doing some searching here on that issue. Again Bassani makes a good product.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99_SSinful
I would understand $200 for a system like that but custom built. And yes with stainless a little more but not $ 600.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
dam yea i would agree with that BUT i dont think that will ever happen seeing as most of these companys are selling just there tips alone for $100-200 lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Z28Thunder
plus a good catback is more then $200
That is very true. Just paid $150 for this.. Not my car but same setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...e/PICT0544.jpg
$50 of that was to buy 2 Turbo Thrush mufflers. So when I want I can run like below. Just add the mufflers to the above photo (again not my car but have run with 2 Turbo Thrush).
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...mojado/315.jpg
thats a good deal if you ask me.....used in guessing??Quote:
Originally Posted by Z28ThunderThat is very true. Just paid $150 for this.. Not my car but same setup.
$50 of that was to buy 2 Turbo Thrush mufflers. So when I want I can run like below. Just add the mufflers to the above photo (again not my car but have run with 2 Turbo Thrush).
Speed is just a question of money. How fast can you go????
To the OP only: Name that movie quote!
I've got TD's with an X-pipe on the 02 but they are dumped at the axle....
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Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
No custom built not used.
even better....cant get nothin like that done in my town for that priceQuote:
Originally Posted by Z28Thunder
there going to want $100 just the weld the fucking thing haha
That was put to the OP only I know. But you can way over pay for that speed!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS
True DAT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Z28Thunder
Having gearhead friends that are capable and will do anything you want (provided you can pay) pays off in the long run...
Wow $100 just to do the welding. With that said I can see the $600 plus sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
yea lol....im in FL SO everyone says they can weld (so they say lol) and that gives the poeple that can weld very well the upper hand to charge more :growl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Z28Thunder
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Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS
shhhhh :p
Not downgrading me at all, I actually praise the Bassani setup. If a real dual system is what I was after, I'd do the Bassani in a heart beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99_SSinful
Not from what I've seen. Seems to work fine, but those with Panhard relocation setups might run into trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z28Thunder
Talk to Mrr23, he runs this setup on a pair of 4th gens if I remember right.
Under the axle is not a good idea. If you ever need to drop the rearend for anything the exhaust becomes an issue. Unloading the suspension can also cause issues. Then there is the whole ground clearance issue as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
The only cars designed to run pipes under the rearend are IRS setups. But it makes sense in that case.
Doing a custom setup like that is a nice idea but for me it poses a few problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z28ThunderAnd you can do what I think is over the axle.
Again I know Bassani makes a good product. I would just wonder about the between pipe.
For starters, I don't do crush bend systems on anything anymore. So I'd have to find a shop with a mandrel bender. Not many of those around.
Plus you pay more for the mandrel bending and the fab work involved. I'm pretty picky how I like things too, and finding someone to work with that shares the same detail is very difficult. It's part of the reason I started my own shop years ago.
In the end I could pay as much or more than the Bassani setup.
This setup would be the best and cheapest option. I would save it for a track only, or weekend toy type of car though. I don't have any interest in doing it on our 4th gens that are driven daily, and I know my wife wouldn't put up with the noise and drone either, she drives one of them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Z28ThunderThat is very true. Just paid $150 for this.. Not my car but same setup.
$50 of that was to buy 2 Turbo Thrush mufflers. So when I want I can run like below. Just add the mufflers to the above photo (again not my car but have run with 2 Turbo Thrush).
I have had a couple of classic cars like this though, my chevelle was one of them. Funny setting off car alarms in the grocery store parking lots :D I eventually installed tailpipes though, even on that car that is driven maybe once a week the dumps became a headache.
i hate that shit as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
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Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
I would not want crush bends also. Again the photos are not mine. The setup here is mandrel bent.
I will say the bullets at WOT can get loud. But at cruise speed there is little noise or drone. Getting to that cruise speed can have some noise and drone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
With the thrush mufflers on it has a mild tone.
alright im glad.. do you have any video clips of the Basanni set up that you could put up? and also I am one of those people who dont take my car out except for when the sun is shiny through a clear sky! lol.. could explain why it only has 53,00 miles on it lol.. so the noise wouldnt bother me at all! its pretty much my car to turn heads.. lol and the noise makes it all better!Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
Get with Mrr23 on this site. He had a ton of video with his car making passes, the install, instructions, noise levels, dyno numbers comparing the Bassani to a single catback etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by 99_SSinful
It was all posted on here at one time but it's been so long I doubt I could even find it. He could fill you in on all the details. Probably easier to email the stuff to ya. Hope that helps.
good info...i would like to know as well if and when the OP knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
Shoot Mrr23 a PM. I'm pretty sure he still gets on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
yep he does....i have talked to him about some susp.stuff one or two timesQuote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
He hasn't been online in quite some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
hmmm...i talked with him about a month agoQuote:
Originally Posted by konigandy6
ill take his spot if you need someone
thanks for posting that one - I was not aware of an over axle true dual exhaust for these cars. Knew about the bassani that dumps in front of the rear axle, but not this. Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
no problem...kooks makes one as well BUT its $1700 give or takeQuote:
Originally Posted by ZForce1
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Originally Posted by konigandy6
I hope he is still here and nothing happened. He's a good guy, helped me out when I bought a car down in Florida in the area he is from. Also helped me with tuning in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
As a matter of fact he had a really nice HPtuner tuning page with step by step instructions for various tasks. He was updating that from time to time. I thought maybe the moderators made a sticky on it??
I don't mean to thread jack, but does anyone know where the heck I can find the muffler that comes on the bassani true dual setup, or any bassani muffler at all for that matter? I've looked for about a week now and I can't find any sellers, not even on ebay.
have you check or called bassani themselves???Quote:
Originally Posted by LeadFarmer
PM sent..
Did a search looks like they sell mostly motorcycle stuff to me.. I saw some mustabg stuff but did'nt navigate beyond the home page..
pm'd backQuote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
I checked bassani's site and I couldn't find any vendors other than local ones which don't ship, and in my case they only sell mustang stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
$900 wow thats insane for an exhaust. how much would it be to have an exhaust shop weld you an X-pipe with full piping (no mufflers or cats). should be alot cheaper right?!?!
did'nt read that othe rpost "yup" I would have to say yes.. $900.00 for exhaust work is nuts.. Prolly mostly labor too.. Especially when I/you can get pipe for only a few bucks per foot..:yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by DVrec21
It depends,,,are you comparing the $900 Bassani stainless setup to stainless piping from a muffler shop??Quote:
Originally Posted by Smittro
Sure you could probably do it cheaper, with cheaper aluminized piping (which eventually corrodes over time), and you can find a shop that would bend something up, (probably crush bends as compared to Bassani's mandrel bends).
It's all a matter of what you can put up with as far as quality, appearance, and of course, cost. Personal preference.
I seriously doubt you will find the Bassani muffler sold seperately from any vendor. It's Bassani's design, more than likely only available throught them, and probably not seperately since it's made to use as a kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeadFarmer
I know what you are trying to do, and I've been down that road on an H-body monza. I can tell you what I did, if you want a transverse muffler it's probably your only option.
The H-body Monza's share the same chassis design as the 3rd and 4th gen Fbodies, just on a smaller scale. They were the predecessor to this platform.
I wanted true duals on mine, over the axle and out the back. These cars also used a transverse muffler in the rear, but the problem was,,,,No one on the planet even made an exhaust kit for these cars of any kind in any form,,,,,period. So no matter what I did it would have to be custom.
I first took measurements in the muffler location to get an idea what would fit. Then I sat down with Flowmasters master catalog that lists every muffler they made complete with dimensions. At the time Flowmaster had the largest supply of aftermarket mufflers in various shapes and forms for just about every application.
I found a muffler they made for a small SUV that fit my dimensions as well as the pipe sizing I was going to use. The muffler alone was $120, this was 7-8 years ago.
Bought the muffler and took the car to a local shop who was a very good friend of mine, I knew I could work with him. I showed him what I needed, how I wanted it routed and so forth. No easy task to run dual pipes over the axle on a monza that is half the size of a 4th gen if you can imagine. Probably very hard nowadays to find a shop that would even touch it.
In the end I think I spent ~$600 for the setup, and we are talking 7-8 years ago for crushed bends and aluminized piping. But it was unique and the only true dual H-body setup I was aware of,,,,hell the only H-body still on the road for that matter :chuckles:
In all seriousness, finding a transverse muffler to do what you want would be easier now since alot of other companies have stepped up with this design since I fooled with it. Or you could always run a pair of small (in/out) mufflers on either side of the car just behind the rear bumper, and you should have enough room to squeeze tailpipes on it.
My honest opinion though, if you don't want to coin up for a good dual exhaust system and want something cheaper. I'd do a 4" single Mufflex system. We ran a dozen 3" catbacks on a very stout 4th gen several years back and found the Mufflex 4" system outperformed them all, sounded mean, relatively cheap and good fitment.
I never got the chance to compare it to the Bassani true dual system, quite frankly it was more than I wanted to spend for a simple test, and there weren't many out there at the time that I could borrow.
In any event, If I were building a max effort 4th gen and wanted a nice system that went over the axle, I'd probably go straight for a Mufflex 4" system. They also make this system in a 3 1/2" setup. They have a wider choice of mufflers too since I last used them.
If your heart is set on a real dual system, then in my opinion, Bassani is the way to go. It's nice that someone else stepped up to the plate with a similar setup (Kooks) but the price is a big turnoff.
wow thanks, but I'm not looking to do a true dual setup quite yet since I already have a full 3in system hooked up to the stock manifolds. I would just like to find a universal bullet style muffler from bassani to put onto the I-pipe while i'm in there installing headers. a Corsa muffler was my second choice, but $120 for a muffler!:spit: wow what are they smoking Lol that's almost as much as the ebay headers I'm looking at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
I can do stainless for a few bucks a foot too. I have a supplier..:) But I see your point..:drivin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
Hey everyone.. I havent been on in quite awhile.. I want to thank all of you for the imput.. we now have salt on the roads so I will not be taking the camaro out anymore this year so hopefully I have time to find a true dual set up that I want.. I also found on google shopping something that caught my eye.. the bowtie exhaust tips.. anyone have any expierence with them?
wow I just googled those, super tacky imo:suicide:Quote:
Originally Posted by 99_SSinful
I do agree that they look tacky being spread apart.. but with my car.. the duals come out closer together so it might not look soo bad... its just an idea for right now.. thanks for the opinion thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by LeadFarmer
Paying 900 for an exhaust is just plain crazy. Will it make a few more HP than a typical cat back sure, but its just not worth it.
hell a person can get a magnaflow stainless system and a ls6 intake and make more power
ok im new too this and...can you do the duals dumped like in pics shown using stock exhaust manifolds i have a 01 z28 , and also im in texas anyone know if its legal?????
i dont think its legal in tx...b/c i know someone with them and he told me they were not soooo idkQuote:
Originally Posted by txmz28
tsp and LPP sells a kit if you want...they go for about $400
I have the texas speed x pipe with the dynomax bullets and 1 7/8 LT and it cost me about 200 bucks to put on so over over a little over a grand with cats!!!
Edit: Yea I have drank a few over over beers!!!
What i dont like about dual dumps is that you and whoever else is in the car get to smell it.Quote:
Originally Posted by txmz28
any chance that meineke will??Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
i have no idea BUT im going to guess and say noQuote:
Originally Posted by DVrec21
Which is one of the reasons the true duals all the way out the back are beneficial.Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
$900 isn't that bad for a complete system when you think about it. I'll bet I have at least that much in the chevelle system, made of 3 different manufacures. It adds up quick. If you knew what I had in exhaust systems from experimenting with this car looking for speed it would probably make you puke.Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
Worth it?? You really have to weigh cost per speed aquired to make that assumption. When we tested the 3 inch catbacks, they all provided about the same performance, but stepping up to the 4 inch Mufflex gained over 3 tenths and nearly 4 mph on the same car. Spent about $200 more than any of the other 3 inch catbacks cost. More than worth the money for a gain like that.
It led us to believe a real dual system might have yielded even more on this car, but never got the chance to try it. But to Steve, he wouldn't have hesitated on cost if it made the car faster. It's all a matter of what you want out of a car. Do you want duals over the axle??
Can you live with it dumped at the rearend?? Put up with ground clearance issues, noise, fumes??
To me these 4th gens are too cushy and make nice cruisers to do something like that to it. But I'm not using them for all our drag cars either ;)
ok... what about all of the trucks that have dumped pipes and....mustangs lol guys in other forums are sayinf its just not legeal in houston or el paso lol .......and idea i guess il just call around...
I guess what i should of said was depending on application it may or may not be worth it. The more the car is pumping out, more so it behooves a person to get duals if looking for max hp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
I hear you about dumping tons of cash into cars as i have myself threw out the years.
I had a sweet 73 T/A back in the late 80s i ruined by making it into a drag car.
I also had a 1981 Z/28 that i would just beat the hell out of and have to replace motors every year.
The aftermarket has easily got 30k out of me and thats why i always suggest to peeps not to get trapped in that never ending hole
You got that right, it's a never ending hole :thumbup: But I don't know what else I'd be doing it it weren't for cars. At least my wife always knows where I'm at :chuckles:Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
I can only tell you what I've learned from exhaust dumped at the rearend.Quote:
Originally Posted by txmz28
For most places, years back when certified safety car inspections were required in Cincinnati (in the 70's) They checked for lights, signals, horns, etc.... They required at the very least that the exhaust needed to reach the rearend housing. Back then it was common to install headers on muscle cars and some thrush or cherry bomb header mufflers bolted right to the collectors and then leave it at that.
For fear of fumes this was deemed illegal. It had to reach the rearend. That was really the only stipulation back then on exhaust.
Nowadays, with all this sniffer testing and what not, the shops require a tailpipe that is easily accessible for testing. Dumping at the rearend does not fall under that catagory. Because of that, it's pretty common now for everyone to request that tailpipes be installed on the cars, some even make it a law.
Bottom line is,,,,if you live in an area that has sniff testing, and you have a car new enough that requires sniff testing, then more than likely you'll need tailpipes on the car, otherwise they won't even look at it.
dumped exhaust is illegal in alot of places for passenger cars, not for trucks though. I live in arlington and have had a dumped Y@ the axle for about 6months now and haven't had any problems. I've got hook ups at inspections though so I don't have to worry about that nonsense:cool2:Quote:
Originally Posted by txmz28
ok well that helps you..lol unless you would like to share i have dumped yet i have to raise the car up a bit the previous owner torched the springs to lower it 3in. soo yea im in ft worth like right next to arlington....
just slip an extra $10 to whoever inspects your car LOlQuote:
Originally Posted by txmz28
ha ha yea ok...
Hey I was just wondering where you got the TSP exhaust at? I am thinking about getting the catback system but I cant find it anywhere.. :brick:Quote:
Originally Posted by bluehawk2000
TSP = Texas Speed & Performance...Quote:
Originally Posted by 99_SSinful
they can be found by using internet website search engines...Google, YouTube, etc.
I used google and the only thing I came up with was a cayback system with no tips or anything.. not to mention from a no named website.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSwt00SS
ok how do you you turn the rear o2 sens off like the tsp website states with theyre y pipe....and would a car pass inspection like that in texas.........lol
PM sent w/link, since it was removed from my post...my bad Preston...Quote:
Originally Posted by 99_SSinful
If you have big money lying around (think tax refund) you might want to check out the new Kooks system.
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doesnt that run about $1800 give or take?Quote:
Originally Posted by sjgreen6
Yes it does, a bit rediculous. Bassani has the same thing for $900Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbird-WS6
yep, that was my point hehehehe :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebirdjones
only issue with bassani's is that its made for stock exhaust manifolds, but with some modifications it can be made to fit with lt's....kooks is straight bolt on. does that warrant the $1600 IMO hell no!
I'm pretty sure those are extra pipes on the Bassani,,,,that are simply not used for a header application. In any event it's simply removing pipe, easy to do and definately not a reason to shy away from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z28boy2000
