Vick's situation vs. Stallworth's situation

Vick knowingly engaged in a dog fighting ring......

Stallworth has plead guilty to DUI manslaughter.....which, of course, wasn't premeditated, it was an accident.

Which is worse? Who's getting off easy? Vick served 23 months in a federal prison........it appears Stallworth will serve 30 days, with 10 years probation, and 1,000 hours of community service, and also confidentially compensated the Reyes family. Stallworth cooperated with authorities.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...I-manslaughter

I just don't get it sometimes. You can kill a guy unvoluntarily, and serve 30 days in jail, or you can get dogs to fight each other, and get 23 months in a federal prison.

Let's hear the opinons/arguements why you voted the way you did. I'd like to hear...........

One word.....BULLSHIT!!!!:true:

Vick was used as an example. Sure he made a bad decision, but IMO got hit waayyy too hard. Yeah...dogfighting is brutal, but also sometimes primal in nature. Stallworth, tho it was an accident, basically gets a slap on the tights and will likely suit up again like Ray Lewis and Leonard Little (be they guilty or not.)

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Originally Posted by FasstChevys

Vick knowingly engaged in a dog fighting ring......

Stallworth has plead guilty to DUI manslaughter.....which, of course, wasn't premeditated, it was an accident.

Which is worse? Who's getting off easy? Vick served 23 months in a federal prison........it appears Stallworth will serve 30 days, with 10 years probation, and 1,000 hours of community service, and also confidentially compensated the Reyes family. Stallworth cooperated with authorities.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...I-manslaughter

I just don't get it sometimes. You can kill a guy unvoluntarily, and serve 30 days in jail, or you can get dogs to fight each other, and get 23 months in a federal prison.

Let's hear the opinons/arguements why you voted the way you did. I'd like to hear...........

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Stallworth no question .. He is guilty of murder ...

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Originally Posted by snaggeltooth

Stallworth no question .. He is guilty of murder ...

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Agreed. So how does he get off on a MUCH lighter sentence?

this was kind of my point in the other Vick thread. I think what Vick did was wrong but he served his time ( excessive time IMO) and should be allowed another chance. Someone else can take a life and not get the sentence he got. Not just stallworth either, regular people get lighter sentences than that for much worse crimes. The difference between the 2 cases is the lack of picket signs outside stallworth's court room. Vick went national overnight and had everyone and their brother on his ass. I never heard anything about stallworth outside the initial report.

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Originally Posted by 0rion

this was kind of my point in the other Vick thread. I think what Vick did was wrong but he served his time ( excessive time IMO) and should be allowed another chance. Someone else can take a life and not get the sentence he got. Not just stallworth either, regular people get lighter sentences than that for much worse crimes. The difference between the 2 cases is the lack of picket signs outside stallworth's court room. Vick went national overnight and had everyone and their brother on his ass. I never heard anything about stallworth outside the initial report.

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Well said. It's about publicity. It's also about hypocrits. People crack me up. The President got head. Policemen, lawyers, husbands, and fathers all over the country were guilty of the same. However, there was an outcry for the President to be impeached. There is no rhyme or reason, like PETA members in the Klan.

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Originally Posted by FasstChevys

Vick knowingly engaged in a dog fighting ring......

Stallworth has plead guilty to DUI manslaughter.....which, of course, wasn't premeditated, it was an accident.

Which is worse? Who's getting off easy? Vick served 23 months in a federal prison........it appears Stallworth will serve 30 days, with 10 years probation, and 1,000 hours of community service, and also confidentially compensated the Reyes family. Stallworth cooperated with authorities.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...I-manslaughter

I just don't get it sometimes. You can kill a guy unvoluntarily, and serve 30 days in jail, or you can get dogs to fight each other, and get 23 months in a federal prison.

Let's hear the opinons/arguements why you voted the way you did. I'd like to hear...........

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Ummm DUH !! The american people value dogs over other human beings...sheesh :shitstorm:
I mean have you TALKED to some of the people around lately? Obnoxious, self-righteous, mouthy ...
Really tho, part of it is we are so inundated with DUI's and death's due to them, alot of us (not me.. I have a daily reminder of the dangers of DUI) are just desensitized to that whole issue. Dogs are helpless and almost child-like in their regard to people ( depend on us for everything etc)... That and it's politcally correct to be an animal lover.. blah blah blah.. Not sayin that's how I feel.. Just my take on the situation.

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Originally Posted by Crimson Sin

Ummm DUH !! The american people value dogs over other human beings...sheesh :shitstorm:.

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Apparently not since two people voted for the "Vick" button.

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Originally Posted by Crimson Sin

I mean have you TALKED to some of the people around lately? Obnoxious, self-righteous, mouthy ...
Really tho, part of it is we are so inundated with DUI's and death's due to them, alot of us (not me.. I have a daily reminder of the dangers of DUI) are just desensitized to that whole issue. Dogs are helpless and almost child-like in their regard to people ( depend on us for everything etc)... That and it's politcally correct to be an animal lover.. blah blah blah.. Not sayin that's how I feel.. Just my take on the situation.

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I hear ya, I posted it to hear things just like this.

It's a tough call for me to say which one is 'worse'. What Vick did was purely cruel and inhumane. He knowingly abused, tortuned and killed dogs just for fun. He is truely a sick human being and I hope he rots in hell.
With Stallworth, he used very poor judgement and killed an innocent man in the process. The bigget crime in his case is the sentence he recieved. 30 days for killing someone? WTF. $$$ bought that sentence. If it wa you or I, we'd be in prison for years.
Overall, I can't vote on which crime was worse, but as far as judgement goes, what Vick got was more than deserving and what Stallworth received was a total farce and a terrible use of our judicial system.

Damn it, I voted wrong. +1 for the DUI murder...

though there really is some weight to being not drunk and making a sober decision to break a law vs. being a dumb ass getting drunk and driving.

One of them made a tragicly bad decision that involved an accident.

The other one was thought out and wasn't exactly an accident.

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Originally Posted by korndawg

The bigget crime in his case is the sentence he recieved. 30 days for killing someone? WTF. $$$ bought that sentence. If it wa you or I, we'd be in prison for years.
Overall, I can't vote on which crime was worse, but as far as judgement goes, what Vick got was more than deserving and what Stallworth received was a total farce and a terrible use of our judicial system.

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+1 :yup:

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Originally Posted by RealLiveMD

Well said. The President got head ...there was an outcry for the President to be impeached.

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Got that right!! That happens in everyday America and is not a really big deal. The matter is a personal one at best and should have stayed that way.:dunno:

30 days for being drunk and killing someone? Time to go into the hitman business...just down a few and run the bastard over.

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Originally Posted by SeVeReDiStOrTiOn

30 days for being drunk and killing someone? Time to go into the hitman business...just down a few and run the bastard over.

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Yikes!!!:hide:

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Originally Posted by korndawg

It's a tough call for me to say which one is 'worse'. What Vick did was purely cruel and inhumane. He knowingly abused, tortuned and killed dogs just for fun. He is truely a sick human being and I hope he rots in hell.
With Stallworth, he used very poor judgement and killed an innocent man in the process. The bigget crime in his case is the sentence he recieved. 30 days for killing someone? WTF. $$$ bought that sentence. If it wa you or I, we'd be in prison for years.
Overall, I can't vote on which crime was worse, but as far as judgement goes, what Vick got was more than deserving and what Stallworth received was a total farce and a terrible use of our judicial system.

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I agree 100% with Korndawg!

Well Vick commited the crime again and again. It was premeditated and organized and probably made a lot of money off of it. Stallworth's was an accident and I'm sure some have never even done time for an accident like that. Although I have seen some get charged with murder and do 25-life. IDK why stallworth is getting off easy and others that got off even easier. HOWEVER, 10 years probabtion...holy crap, that would suck so bad...

So he hit a pedestrian that was not in a cross walk...this looks a bit messed up, but I'm sure that's just me thinking this.

I'm prepared for the :shitstorm:; but, who made dogs a sacred animal. We slaughter pigs, cows, chickens daily. Would he be more humane if it had been a cockfight? I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying big deal. If he had brought lions to america to fight tigers, would we be upset. Personally, I would pay to see a lion and tiger. If he ran an underground MMA event, would he be sinless? People have their panties in a bunch. Kids are dying on the streets in America. We're worried about some damn dogs. In the Bahamas, dogs starve on the streets and people struggle to eat. It makes me wonder who or what you guys choose to feed when on vacation. As for me, I tip the kids, and I pass by the dogs.

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Originally Posted by RealLiveMD

I'm prepared for the :shitstorm:; but, who made dogs a sacred animal. We slaughter pigs, cows, chickens daily. Would he be more humane if it had been a cockfight? I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying big deal. If he had brought lions to america to fight tigers, would we be upset. Personally, I would pay to see a lion and tiger. If he ran an underground MMA event, would he be sinless? People have their panties in a bunch. Kids are dying on the streets in America. We're worried about some damn dogs. In the Bahamas, dogs starve on the streets and people struggle to eat. It makes me wonder who or what you guys choose to feed when on vacation. As for me, I tip the kids, and I pass by the dogs.

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I feel what he did was wrong but at the same time I realize there's a lot worse shit going on out there that gets a smack on the hand. How many drug dealers get busted and serve the amount of time he served for a first offense? I don't like Vick. I have no reason to root for him but me not liking him has nothing to do with the fact that he served almost 2 years when people that do shit way worse serve a month or less.

Folks with TOO much money=STUPIDITY. :yup:

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Originally Posted by 0rion

I feel what he did was wrong but at the same time I realize there's a lot worse shit going on out there that gets a smack on the hand. How many drug dealers get busted and serve the amount of time he served for a first offense? I don't like Vick. I have no reason to root for him but me not liking him has nothing to do with the fact that he served almost 2 years when people that do shit way worse serve a month or less.

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I would say Vick is the worse criminal as his crime was premeditated and he knew it was a crime .. Stallworth did a worse crime but it was a accident ..

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Originally Posted by snaggeltooth

I would say Vick is the worse criminal as his crime was premeditated and he knew it was a crime .. Stallworth did a worse crime but it was a accident ..

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I'm not one to internet argue really because honestly neither of these guys is particularly worth my time but on occassion I do like a good debate as long as people keep it civil and don't start tossing insults when others don't agree with them so that's really the only reason I'll keep going. :D Just for a good debate.
I read the premeditated reply earlier and thought then what I think now. When you get in a car with a BAC of .126 you're drunk enough to know you're drunk. That's premeditation in my book so those 2 cancel each other out.
Vick knowingly fought dogs, mis-treated dogs, used dog's to bolster his already sickening income, and probably did more than the public knows. At the end of the day though they were dogs. The guy Stallworth hit was a 59 year old working dude that couldn't afford a car so he took the bus. He was hit and killed by a drunk in a Bentley. He was married to the same woman for 20 years and had a 15 year old daughter. Which do you think is the bigger crime? Someone that mis-treats and kills animals or someone that takes a teenagers father from her? I would kill dogs until they were extinct before I would kill someones father. I'm a dog lover...have 2. I have nothing against dogs. I just place a larger value on human life than I do a dogs life. That's not what we're seeing between these 2 stories. From the outside looking in it appears the dogs lives were more valuable than a humans.

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Originally Posted by 0rion

I'm not one to internet argue really because honestly neither of these guys is particularly worth my time but on occassion I do like a good debate as long as people keep it civil and don't start tossing insults when others don't agree with them so that's really the only reason I'll keep going. :D Just for a good debate.
I read the premeditated reply earlier and thought then what I think now. When you get in a car with a BAC of .126 you're drunk enough to know you're drunk. That's premeditation in my book so those 2 cancel each other out.
Vick knowingly fought dogs, mis-treated dogs, used dog's to bolster his already sickening income, and probably did more than the public knows. At the end of the day though they were dogs. The guy Stallworth hit was a 59 year old working dude that couldn't afford a car so he took the bus. He was hit and killed by a drunk in a Bentley. He was married to the same woman for 20 years and had a 15 year old daughter. Which do you think is the bigger crime? Someone that mis-treats and kills animals or someone that takes a teenagers father from her? I would kill dogs until they were extinct before I would kill someones father. I'm a dog lover...have 2. I have nothing against dogs. I just place a larger value on human life than I do a dogs life. That's not what we're seeing between these 2 stories. From the outside looking in it appears the dogs lives were more valuable than a humans.

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agreed...I don't hate dogs either; but, at the end of the day they are dogs. In the plains of Africa, nobody wants to encounter wild dogs. In America, we take away salaries, imprison and condemn.

IMO, the issue here isn't whether Vick got "too much" punishment or not, it's that Stallworth got off way too easy.... :shrug:

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Originally Posted by 0rion

I'm not one to internet argue really because honestly neither of these guys is particularly worth my time but on occassion I do like a good debate as long as people keep it civil and don't start tossing insults when others don't agree with them so that's really the only reason I'll keep going. :D Just for a good debate.
I read the premeditated reply earlier and thought then what I think now. When you get in a car with a BAC of .126 you're drunk enough to know you're drunk. That's premeditation in my book so those 2 cancel each other out.
Vick knowingly fought dogs, mis-treated dogs, used dog's to bolster his already sickening income, and probably did more than the public knows. At the end of the day though they were dogs. The guy Stallworth hit was a 59 year old working dude that couldn't afford a car so he took the bus. He was hit and killed by a drunk in a Bentley. He was married to the same woman for 20 years and had a 15 year old daughter. Which do you think is the bigger crime? Someone that mis-treats and kills animals or someone that takes a teenagers father from her? I would kill dogs until they were extinct before I would kill someones father. I'm a dog lover...have 2. I have nothing against dogs. I just place a larger value on human life than I do a dogs life. That's not what we're seeing between these 2 stories. From the outside looking in it appears the dogs lives were more valuable than a humans.

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Well we are not really debating because we agree ... All Im saying is Vick put that whole business together .. Not like being stupid one night and driving when you know you shouldnt ... Had to do all that planning getting dogs . kennels . training doggies , setting up fights and all that for who knows how long .. I still say stallworth did a worse crime but Vick is the worse criminal .. and the dogs Vick did is only one thing we know about , there could be much more ...

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Originally Posted by snaggeltooth

Well we are not really debating because we agree ... All Im saying is Vick put that whole business together .. Not like being stupid one night and driving when you know you shouldnt ... Had to do all that planning getting dogs . kennels . training doggies , setting up fights and all that for who knows how long .. I still say stallworth did a worse crime but Vick is the worse criminal .. and the dogs Vick did is only one thing we know about , there could be much more ...

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Yea, but I think Orions point speaks to which caused the most harm. Also, drinking and driving is premeditated. Many people like to view it as less because they have all done it. Sort of like street racing. I ask this question. Who deserves more prison time. Mike Vick the dog fighter with an elaborate dog fighting ring. or a businessman that closes his doors without paying his employees the last months payroll and keep the entire payroll to add to his millions. The employees who weren't warned lose their homes, cars, commit suicide, have marital stress etc. The businessman knows what he is doing, but because it's a white collar crime, nothing happens.

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Originally Posted by RealLiveMD

Yea, but I think Orions point speaks to which caused the most harm. Also, drinking and driving is premeditated. Many people like to view it as less because they have all done it. Sort of like street racing. I ask this question. Who deserves more prison time. Mike Vick the dog fighter with an elaborate dog fighting ring. or a businessman that closes his doors without paying his employees the last months payroll and keep the entire payroll to add to his millions. The employees who weren't warned lose their homes, cars, commit suicide, have marital stress etc. The businessman knows what he is doing, but because it's a white collar crime, nothing happens.

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Vicks worst problem was either he thought he was to big to get in trouble or that he was to stupid to see how serious he was in trouble .. Remember he lies many time to the Falcons owner and to the NFL commissioner . which I am sure Giddle has not forgot about ... if he had wised up and told the truth in the first place .. we would prob have forgotten about all this like I bet we will about Stallworth ... and just paid a big fine ...

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Originally Posted by Kjz99z28

IMO, the issue here isn't whether Vick got "too much" punishment or not, it's that Stallworth got off way too easy.... :shrug:

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+1

Judges are way too lenient.
Case in point www.mcalesternews.com/homepage/local_story_164191511.html?keyword=leadpicturestor y

This pile of shit RAPED a 5 yr old and got 1 YEAR
If it had been my 6 yr old daughter, this guy would have
wished he had never been born!

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Originally Posted by RealLiveMD

Yea, but I think Orions point speaks to which caused the most harm. Also, drinking and driving is premeditated. Many people like to view it as less because they have all done it. Sort of like street racing. I ask this question. Who deserves more prison time. Mike Vick the dog fighter with an elaborate dog fighting ring. or a businessman that closes his doors without paying his employees the last months payroll and keep the entire payroll to add to his millions. The employees who weren't warned lose their homes, cars, commit suicide, have marital stress etc. The businessman knows what he is doing, but because it's a white collar crime, nothing happens.

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"Made off", comes to mind...

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Originally Posted by RealLiveMD

Well said. It's about publicity. It's also about hypocrits. People crack me up. The President got head. Policemen, lawyers, husbands, and fathers all over the country were guilty of the same. However, there was an outcry for the President to be impeached. There is no rhyme or reason, like PETA members in the Klan.

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...and if the policemen and lawyers you referenced got caught getting a blowjob ON THE JOB they would've been fired quicker than you can say ACLU...why should the President be any different? Just another politician not being held accountable for his actions. I'm not saying he should've been impeached but still...any "common" guy would've been fired.

Anyway, guys....his sentence was MUCH stiffer than 30 days in jail. 10yrs probation, 2yrs house arrest, life long license ban etc.

Now I'm not saying it's a light sentence but it's a lot more than just 30 days.

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Originally Posted by BirdBryan

+1

Judges are way too lenient.
Case in point www.mcalesternews.com/homepage/local_story_164191511.html?keyword=leadpicturestor y

This pile of shit RAPED a 5 yr old and got 1 YEAR
If it had been my 6 yr old daughter, this guy would have
wished he had never been born!

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I saw that the other day...my jaw dropped to the floor...

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Originally Posted by Kjz99z28

IMO, the issue here isn't whether Vick got "too much" punishment or not, it's that Stallworth got off way too easy.... :shrug:

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by BirdBryan

+1

Judges are way too lenient.
Case in point www.mcalesternews.com/homepage/local_story_164191511.html?keyword=leadpicturestor y

This pile of shit RAPED a 5 yr old and got 1 YEAR
If it had been my 6 yr old daughter, this guy would have
wished he had never been born!

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OMFG! The DA who went for that plea bargain needs to be shot also. What a complete joke. I cant remember the last time that i've read something so ludacris! I hope to God that that the inmates in the prison that he goes to hears what that waste of semen and egg did. That guy deserves to be sodomized daily and tortured. Makes me sick.