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Yeah....this has been discussed and makes perfect sense....but has not been done yet.....I can tell you some slight pinging (detonation) was eliminated in 2 GTO's that are part of our test mules.....Both of these cars had a custom dyno tune and only 91 octane gas available....the 2stroke mix eliminated the ping.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark21742
hoping to jump in and start doing some real tuning on the goat this weekend and one of the big things I want to spend time on is timing tables and the MAFQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
Hey sarge i just want to make sure that iam doing it right, so ive been putting 9 gallons in the goat so ive been putting 2 oz of the 2 stroke is that fine or do i need to put 1 oz.
Yup you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by ledesma54
OK guys and gals, I've put 3 tanks through my car. Pulled the plugs before and after 3 tanks plugs are cleaner, miliage is up 1 and am very happy so far. Think it is a good deal. Thanks, Jack
Yeah.....I must have pulled the plugs 50 times before I was satisfied....fact of the matter is 2 stroke oil is designed to burn cleanly....it cleans the upper cylinder and the ring packs......thank you for posting up your experience so far....I will tell you my Silverado just keeps getting better and better...I am on like tank#30 and have gone from a consistent 17.3mpg to over 19mpg...drive the same road same way everyday....all for a couple of bucks a quart :) I'll also go on the record of saying the GTO starts much easier now......runs like a stripped ass ape...but she definetly starts easier....cant say anything about the idle with that monster cam :)
I 've seen some of the specs on your car, damn sounds like a lot of work and $, but it is so much fun, also put it in my wife 2004 chevy
5.3 truck and waiting to see what happens and in my 85 chevy with a 97 vortec carb, but don't drive it much because I worked it over a lot and it gets about 11 mpg,big cam etc. By the way it should still work on a carb engine, don't see why not.
We have carb engines in our test mules.....mebbe 5 out of 20....same results...
Cool!!!!!!!!!!!
How will this affect the people who live in an area with emissions testing? I used to live in VA where they test. Florida for the most part doesn't, but that will be changing in the next year or so :sulk: ! Have you ran any cars through emissions testing before and after to see any difference either way? Will it be detectable in an emissions test? Would it improve, or worsen emissions? How much in advance of a said emissions test would you have to stop using it to purge it from the system prior to the test?
It improves emissions. Keep using it.. its posted above :)
As for another idea.. when I get the clutch in the WWII jeep in going to be trying this as well.
PLEASE read entire post! It has been answered already. Read the thread before posting a ?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE ORIGINAL ANTIVNM
Welcome to the site.
Hey man...welcome by the way....emissions are reduced actually...we attribute this to the cleaning of the top end and the ring packs...2stroke oil is made to burn efficiently and it does....actually you can see a few post above where a member see's cleaner plugs already....this has been consistent throughout the testing phase and looks to be holding in the real world runs.....so thanks for your question and welcome to the sight....:hyper:Quote:
Originally Posted by THE ORIGINAL ANTIVNM
I was on the site before as ANTIVNM. But that name and password were tied to an old email account that I no longer has access too and couldn't retrieve my information from. Couldn't get the other name back, so I came up with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2Tuner
Anyway, I tried skimming over the first 2 or 3 pages and just didn't feel like reading the whole thing. Plus I wanted MY specific questions answered, not someone else's whose maybe worded differently. Sorry about that, but I can be a little lazy sometimes? Besides, the only stupid questions are the ones never asked! That's what this site and others are here for, to help other people who share the same passion of the all mighty LS1 and the car thing. Correct?
Not trying to start any crap with you guys. I really am not. I was just kind of excited about the whole thing and trying to get some answers for me and a few friends. I really didn't think it would be such a big deal, even if they were already asked to have them answered again.
Eh, what ever peace!
Thanks for answering the questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
Has anyone asked if they have used this on a car that is boosted or being sprayed? Is going to change anything IE, make it safer for power adders or bad to use with power adders?
Actually we have two nitrous folks and one twin turbo car in our test "fleet"....just the pinging ( detonation) went away when they burned 91 octane versus the 93 octane....the 2stroke oil will not affect the octane rating itself but does help with detonation...
so Sarge what is the next project in the works?
Welcome to the site Orininal Antivnm
0-20 weight synthetic oil year round in modified LSX :)
5-30 Mobile 1 syth...I think...Ive been up drinkin all night...Sarge you should have been here
ok guys I put the mix in last night and filled it up after the first 30 miles on my ls1 with 140xxx miles on it. The idle is much smoother and the acceleration feels much better especally at low rpms. Thank you for the post this has helped a lot. I'm going to run some seafoam only in the oil tm and do and oil change and see how she runs after. Questions I have a 03 yamaha r6 (streetbike) I'm thinking about trying it as it seems would be close to the same anyone think this is a bad idea?
I use the mix in all gasoline engines. Just keep it above 400:1 and your golden.
so what would you suggest the tank is about 3 gallons a fill up, I had bought the lube control additive didn't like it still had it around so i cut the measuring part off. It's has a 1/2 and 1 oz mark so should i just stick with 1/2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
3 gallons...I would use 1 oz....
ok thank's any thoughts on seafoam I was gonna fun half a can in the oil then feed the other half through the house drive it for 20miles then do a oil change any thoughts on this or reasons not to. I know that breaking up some carbon can cause leaks but I drive long distances alot and I'd rather them break up and now so I can fix em instead of breaking down somewhere the car doesn't really burn oil or none that i can tell inbetween oil changes. Also cats are going to be replaced anyways so I'm not worried about those as i've heard seafoam as been know to cause the cats to break down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
what could be the worst case suatuion if you mixed it to heavy or light...?
I would say it would smoke and run poorly if it was mixed heavy. If it was light it wouldnt have the full effects of a normal dose, thus being about useless. I dont think any real harm could come unless you were a complete idiot and put a quart in.
I dont care for solvents. I know SeaFoam has been around forever. But the way it cleans is intrusive and leaves residue on your bearings etc. that cannot do any long term good. I highly recommend a thorough non intrusive and total cleaning utilizing AutoRX. http://www.auto-rx.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by slpcamaro
Too light and you get no benefit. Too heavy and you may smoke a bit. Just keep it to around 1oz to 5 gallons. This is on the light side. Many have been utilizing 1oz to 3 gallons with no ill effects and all the positives.Quote:
Originally Posted by axxdet
Got a question for ya sarge. I've been using FP60 for awhile, is there any benefit in switching to the 2 stroke marine oil...besides the price. If the marine oil is better then i'll switch...otherwise i'll just keep using FP60 and eat the extra cost.
I recommended FP60 for a long time. It works well. But the 2 stroke oil works just better for a fraction of the cost. Too much data to deny it in my eyes. So just use up your FP60 and try the 2stroke solution. I do see/feel better results with the 2stroke mix than with FP60.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeVeReDiStOrTiOn
Ok. I have a Sunoco 260 GT 100 station in my area. If I wanted to try this in my LS1, what ratio should I use and what type of 2 stroke oil?
TC W3 rated marine 2stroke oil @1oz per 5 gallons.
Never mind. My internet was acting up and saw a post that already answered my question
anyone else notice the guy who says 85 mpg instead of mphQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
This all sounds interesting, but color me skeptical. I would like to hear what real data you have that shows this offers any real benifet other than the standard "it idles smoother" or gas mileage improvements. Both those items are subjective, and everyone knows that gas mileage is not a proven measure since there are way too many factors that influence it (air temp, wind speed, road surface, tire pressure, driver habits, barometric pressure, vehicle loading, air cond use, etc etc etc) and most owners don't measure it consistently.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't help, but I would like to see some real data that shows it does what you say.
Well firstly nobody is selling you anything. We test/experiment with all kinds of modifications etc. here and share our own real world observations versus some marketing bullshit. Yes I agree on many outside influences on the MPG....but also suggest once the MPG is up and stays up over a sustained period you have gained something. Log your data....give us your own real world data...that is what this thread is all about...testing and logging members own data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred H.
is this thread in other areas of the board, or just here?
WOW...very interesting Sarge......never heard of this being done before!!!
I will try this in mine and let you know what I think. I have a friend who also has an '05 GOAT........I will pass this along to him as well!!!
Just here.....Quote:
Originally Posted by mrr23
So far we ( our test folks all over) have over 6 months and well over 1 million miles of data.....average across the breadth of the car manufacturer/engine etc. is a 2% increase in MPG and a definite smoother running engine....no negatives as of yet....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hulk
I can confirm my findings.....about a 2mph increase in the Silverado....most definetly a quieter/smoother engine.....the GTO likes it....starts quicker...a guy said on the test forum he is also seeing a quicker start and credits the oil/gas mixture with cleaner plugs and more importantly cleaner lubricated injectors.....I cant deny nor confirm that but can confirm the quicker start up and MPG increase for sure.....will keep doing it.....
The reason a lot of people havent bought on to this is because they are too scared to try it. Good read BTW.
#1 response : "Im not blowing up my car by putting oil in the gas"
The LS1.com guy is our own Stevie Ray oil guy I think, if so, he has a membership here too. Seafoam, Marvel Mystery Oil, etc, all these solutions have been around for eons. It used to be called "top oil".Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
Hey Sarge, I liked the "Stevie Ray oil guy.":Poke:
LOL....yeah that was a great forum at first....but has degenerated significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardball75006
Notice the guys who are seeing results?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshieDoom
Hey I now use it in everything; GTO, Dodge Ram, push mower and lawn mower. I have an old Craftsman GT10 that was stumbling and stalling all the (got it for free because of how bad it ran) burnt through two tanks of gas in it yesterday cutting the grass and now the rpms are smoothing out.
I didn't feel a difference in anything else yet, but the way the old lawnmower runs now has me sold on the two stroke oil
I found this link up over at Fuel Slut from Mrr23 and have decided to give it a go in my '07 Silverado
Haven't posted up over here in ages but I'm really glad to see some quality tech still going on. I am kind of limited on internet access so it might be a while until I check back but I'll definitely let you know my results. I already track my MPG and unfortunately around 8k miles I started to see a drop... nothing major but in the city I am down 1mpg with no change in driving habits... argh!
Glad to see you man...I used to live out on BeeLine Hwy back in the early 70's ( 72/73)....used to be a strip club out there....something 'the rose' or something like that.....
Sarge,
How often were your changing your motor oil in the test cars before you started the tests? Now when testing how often are you changing your motor oil?
sarge, i am on board with this experiment / method, i went to wally world yesterday and bought the gallon jug for 9.88 or what ever, put it in both my cars, havent knoticed nething yet after driving each 50 miles or so, but i'm sure in the long run i will notice some improvement
Hello all I'm fairly new to the site but since joining in early July I've spent many hours reading and posting a few questions. After reading this entire thread I decided to try some of my Evinrude biodegradable syn. outboard oil TC-W3 in my old worn out daily driver, 96 Escort with over 200k on the odometer. Next time I fill up my 99 SS I plan on putting A couple ounces in that also. And another question, that might be better asked in a new thread, Is Castrol Syntech good or bad for my motor? 1999-SS with 79k on it now. I bought it a couple of years ago. Just a weekend toy, no mods yet. The car runs fine. I store the car for six months (winter) but put fresh gas and stabilizer (c-foam) in the tank before storing it. During those six months I start the car and let it run for about 15 or 20 minutes once a month, and it always starts up and runs great. Castrol syntech is the oil That I have used so far, I have put less than 5000 miles on the car but I have changed the oil and filter twice. So what do you guys think of this practice? All advice,opinions and comments are welcome. Thanks...
Ok Sarge It's been almost five tanks in my old 235000 mile Talon. So this is what I've noticed so far. It does idle smother and the accelleration seems to be a bit better that was until the check engine light came on. But don't fret the light was not from the oil. This car about every month or so throws the light on for the EGR circut. anyways I do feel that it has made a justifiable differance overall. I have yet to burn the first tankfull in the SS I just hope I get the gains on it like the Talon. Oh yea and the Talon has picked up around one mile per gallon city. :yay:
Im sure you will get 50 different opinions on castrol, but Ive used it over the years in several cars, trucks, and lawn equipment and can't complain. In my goat I use mobil1 syn.....Quote:
Originally Posted by hozeman
just think of this, all of those oil companies spend millions of dollars a year to try and bring the best products to the shelf so we will keep buying them....and if they didnt we would reach to the left or right of them and buy the competitor.... just some food for thought.
Welcome to the site man!
Hello everybody, just a couple of lines to share my experiences with 2 stroke oil mix in my cars:
- VW polo 1.4 16v 100bhp, I have just started using the mix in this car but the beneficts are evident. Smoother idle and stronger starts. As somebody said some light pinging it used to suffer is gone now.
- Peugeot 307 1.6 HDI 110 bhp (turbo diesel): People in Europe have been using 2 stroke in turbo diesels some time. Again, good results: Smoother engine & idle.
Overall, I am very happy with the results, I will continue using the 2T mix periodically in the two cars.
Just a note: I am not using marine 2T oil but full synthetic Castrol 2T motorcycle with JASO FD and ISO EGD certifications.
Sorry for my bad english!!
Cheers!!
Hey man...welcome to the site...most of the test mules ( <.05) zero dilution from fuel...and in the cars that do have fuel dilution we saw even lower wear metals...so the two stroke oill has no bearing at all on the UOA of your particular choice....frankly I have had the lowest wear metals ever after I started the 2stroke oil....but I attribute the lower wear metals to the new Shaeffers Series 7000 10-30 more than anything else.....I will say I have never seen a "dirty" 2 stroke motor....most are cleaner than a babies ass....this is directly attributed to the cleaners in the add packs of a TC W3 oil....it cleans plugs/injectors/ring packs/valves and gives you a cleaner, lubricated system.....bottom line is there should be no change in your OCI's from the 2stroke project nor going forward on a long term basis. I attach my latest UOA from Blackstone for your eye digestion :) Now many argue my fuel dilution being the lowest ever can be attributed ( partially anyway) to tighter cleaner ring packs disallowing any blow by.....but you can reach your own conclusions....Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer-X
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...008_174855.jpg
Castrol Syntex is a good oil. Pennzoil Platinum is returning much lower wear metals and TBN retention that Castrol Syntex and is cheaper....but your not hurting anything at all by running it...just paying more for a little less oil performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by hozeman
We really have seen the true benefits after multiple tanks for sure. And the results obviously vary from car to car mainly based on the condition of the injectors/carb/plugs/fuel system prior to the test beginning. Thanks for posting up.Quote:
Originally Posted by casperss
¡Recepción al grupo!Quote:
Originally Posted by NightHawk
If you can get the TC W3 rated 2stroke oil. It is ashless.
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Originally Posted by SargeHey man...welcome to the site...most of the test mules ( <.05) zero dilution from fuel...and in the cars that do have fuel dilution we saw even lower wear metals...so the two stroke oill has no bearing at all on the UOA of your particular choice....frankly I have had the lowest wear metals ever after I started the 2stroke oil....but I attribute the lower wear metals to the new Shaeffers Series 7000 10-30 more than anything else.....I will say I have never seen a "dirty" 2 stroke motor....most are cleaner than a babies ass....this is directly attributed to the cleaners in the add packs of a TC W3 oil....it cleans plugs/injectors/ring packs/valves and gives you a cleaner, lubricated system.....bottom line is there should be no change in your OCI's from the 2stroke project nor going forward on a long term basis. I attach my latest UOA from Blackstone for your eye digestion :) Now many argue my fuel dilution being the lowest ever can be attributed ( partially anyway) to tighter cleaner ring packs disallowing any blow by.....but you can reach your own conclusions....
Thanks, glad to be here but my question remaines unanswered. You really need a frequency of oil changes before and after you started this program. How many miles between changes?
so im wondering what effect it will have on my boosted Goat? cooling and cleaning effects?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
Posting my results after 3 weeks. I am trying this on both my cars a 2006 GTO and a 2005 Lexus. So far I have noticed that they both start faster, idle smother and have better throttle response. I have not seen any increase in mileage, but if I can get these kind of results for a fraction of the cost of other fuel treatments I think it's a great idea.
Thanks for posting up the info Sarge.
OK you lost me....your asking me about the oil OCI's in the test vehicles and I'm struggling to understand the correlation here....help me out....Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer-X
I'm gonna be running it in my Blown 07 Silverado....so I guess we'll both see at the same time.....I cannot see how in the world it would effect us....I'm running a meth injection kit also...you running any meth?Quote:
Originally Posted by qwkgto
I run a little meth here and there too and from the reservation, they pay top dollar out there for it
I hate to say it, but I'm cheap. I got my lawn mower for free last year (not running). the carb was horrible ($175.00 chock-a-matic) so I tore it apart and cleaned the hell out of it...still didn't run great...8 tanks of the mix run threw it so far and I swear every tank it runs better....now Sarge you need to comeup with something to help me keep the deck level lol
How often was the oil changed before you started testing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
How often is the oil changed since you started testing?
Oil is changed every 3000 miles on the dot on my "test car"
Helped out so much.
Sarge doesnt skimp on oil.:)
Let me try it from this angle cuz I'm still lost here....Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer-X
We are talking about a fuel manipulation and your asking about engine oil change intervals. Help me out man....Most of the test cars have OCI's (engine oil) based on their particular UOA's and testing and fuel has nothing to do with it.
Not to beat this into the ground... but what do you think of this stuff, Sarge? I drove all over RI to hardware stores and home depot's and couldnt find any TC-W3 2 stroke oil. So I went to Cumberland Farms for a soda, and there this was, staring me in the face, so I bought some.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...rizioD/oil.jpg
^^^^^ If you look at the label next to the word Ashless, it is TC-W3. From what Sarge says as long as it is TC-W3 you should be good to go.
Sure it does. If you change your oil every 5k and then start changing it every 3k there will be less contaminates in it. Part of your test is sending the oil in to have it analyzed to see how much and what kind of contamination is in the oil. The contaminates will continue to drop until the sysem is flushed (some old oil remains everytime it is changed) this might take many changes hence my question about oil change intervils.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
TC W3...your good to go....Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrizioDNot to beat this into the ground... but what do you think of this stuff, Sarge? I drove all over RI to hardware stores and home depot's and couldnt find any TC-W3 2 stroke oil. So I went to Cumberland Farms for a soda, and there this was, staring me in the face, so I bought some.
LOL...your confused as hell....who is talking about changing OCI's? Not me nor anybody in this entire thread.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer-X
We are talking about adding 2stroke TC W3 rated oil in our fuel....as in gasoline.....
Is this not a report on the condition of the oil?Quote:
Originally Posted by SargeNever apologize for asking good questions.....unless one of your questions is can I have beer out of your stash Sarge.....
the stuff in gas is everything from water to dirt/silicon/pipeline greases...what we do with the 2 stroke stuff is capture it and burn it in the combustion process versus letting it settle out in the fuel system....no negative impact on any sensors/cats/tuning.....the oil coats and protects your upper cylinder and rings....protects your fuel system...this is why some of our test mules put out lower emissions when tested than before...better compression from the ring packs getting cleaned.....more efficient means more MPG and more importantly more RWHP and longer component life. A great discovery about all this is we are getting lower wear metals from the cylinder walls being coated thus lower wear metals at start up....I just ran 500 miles and sent a sample in to the lab and got the report back today.......lowest wear metals EVER>>>>>>
im confused as well..
Dayum son the question was asked if the fuel treatment had any impact on the UOA. The answer was no....and the UOA report was shared.....had nothing to do with OCI's. Nothing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer-X
So, the oil report showed no difference in a before or after sample. One would think that it would show less heavy metals content being that the 2 cycle oil was added to the fuel, if it were doing any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
Huh? Your saying a fuel add should lower bearing wear materials? I'm totally lost on where your going or your rational.Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer-X
No, upper cylinder, piston and ring wear. Your basically lubricating the top end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
you shouldnt get that much noticable material from the top end unless you have big problems, most particles will come from only the bottom end (bearing wear)Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer-X
Yes that point has been clearly made. I am still lost on your point(s) your trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer-X
Don't worry Old Man we all get confused sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
It happens they say with old age.:tap:
Sorry I have been MIA for a couple weeks my Granny ended up passing.
Whats the deal with all these ____-X people making wierd claims??
Troll? I dunno....but it is painfully obvious he is just fucking around with silly ass post.
Sorry about your Grandmother Tuner...you've had a tough year....
No not FUCKIN' around, nor a troll!! You do seem to get lost easily. :wwf: With all these miles your rackin' up I'm tryin' to understand what sientific method your using, if any. Hence the questions I've asked. It's just as frustrating on my end :cuss: when I can't get a straight answer.:yup:
Have you actually tried using this method?? If not then I suggest you try and SEE the results. You can ask anyone who has used it.. IT DOES WORK.
Well if your question made any sense at all maybe somebody could answer it friend. We are talking about a fuel add here and you've gone off on some left field oil change interval as it relates to UOA's and the collection methodology. Flush run versus testing of the first sample etc. You keep asking about the engine oil and UOA's and I am at a loss as to where your coming from so I cannot answer your question. Cuz I dont know what in the hell your talking about frankly. A guy ask about the effect of the 2stroke oil on the engine oil and I answered it in detail giving my latest UOA as a data reference and plainly and clearly stated I gave credit for the lower wear metals to Shaeffers. I also have stated clearly and plainly the 2stroke oil does clean the top end....no doubt....but has no effect on the TBN nor the UOA of the engine oil. So your original question has been answered but you keep posting and going all over everywhere with this engine oil UOA issue you have. Search "oil" or "UOA" and you will find miles of post/threads and data to your hearts desire......this thread isn't about that and I'll say one more time.....the test mules have made no changes to their OCI's and we have only seen lower wear metals/fuel dilution etc. in their UOA's./ But (and this is important) nobody expected nor have seen any significant changes that would require any adjustment to their OCI's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer-X
sorry for the dumb question. but what does OCI stand for?
Oil change intrevals
Well put. You started an informative thread predicated on the cleaning ability of outboard motor oil when used as an upper cylinder lube. You reported your findings, as well as other members, that the cleaning benefits have increased milage, reduced misfirings, provided cleaner valve stems, and cleaner injectors.
As an ancillary finding, you also noted that wear metal ppms also appear to have fallen in some cases. That these falling ppms maybe attributable to the outboard oil treatments since there were no other notable variables, except for the Schaffer oil, which was accounted for. The findings are presented for forum members benefit and were not performed under strict control analysis.
The thread, in my opinion, suggests you want to try outboard oil as an Upper Cylinder Lube (UPL) instead of the more costly Lucas UCL. It is being presented here for its informative value, and not as some empirical chemical analysis. This is not a moon shot, but rather an informative article from a guy who has time and over demonstated his knowledge of lubricants.
So sarge how often do you change your blinker fluid? :lol: im trying this this week. its cool in a deisel with 260k on it right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
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Originally Posted by 440 rwhp trans am
^^^^LMAO That's a great avatar! I guess only us Southpark fans get that one.
first time i noticed it i just about fell off of chair laughingQuote:
Originally Posted by hardball75006
yeah i found that pic about 6-7 years ago and have always loved it. :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by hardball75006
Heres an update.... my parent's 99 Dodge Grand Caravan with over 130k on it has gone through 4 tanks of gas with the treatment; it starts up in 1/5th the time (on one turnover instead of 5 now) and has averaged 4mpg better on a 182-mile trip to and from the beach. This is really great. Im sure once the Goat cycles through a couple more tanks, I'll be seeing some benefits. Thanks again for the write-up
I use the blinker fluid for my meth injection kit on the blown Silverado so I add the 1/2 gallon about every third tankful.Quote:
Originally Posted by 440 rwhp trans am
well boys im on board now, put some in the bird, the bonneville, gran prix, toyota, el camino, Dads old goat, and the minivan..... lol
I'm in, too, as of today. My 02 TA and the wifes 06 Magnum. I used a turkey baster to put it in the tank!!
LOL
dale
Lets hear results. And dont forget....only TC W3 rated 2stroke oil.
i noticed a lot smoother idle on my 98 ss with 14xxxxx miles on it after a few tanks. Not sure about gas my drivings no where near consistent to track, I was going to just drive to work and back with it and nowhere else but I just got my hp tuner and put a tune i found for a car with similar mods on so wouldn't be accurate. All in all felt much smoother even before the tune and at the price it's not an issue at all to put in thanx sarge.
