If you want ammunition, you have anger management issues

**5.0THIS** · 03-06-2013, 05:52 PM

Florida bill would require anger management courses for bullet buyers | Fox News

A Florida legislator wants anyone trying to buy ammunition to complete an anger management program first, in what critics say is the latest example of local lawmakers reaching for constitutionally-dubious solutions to the problem of gun violence.

The bill filed Saturday by state Sen. Audrey Gibson, D-Jacksonville, would require a three-day waiting period for the sale of any firearm and the sale of ammunition to anyone who has not completed anger management courses. The proposal would require ammo buyers to take the anger management courses every 10 years.

“This is not about guns," Gibson said. "This is about ammunition and not only for the safety of the general community, but also for the safety of law enforcement.”

Gibson said she’s concerned with citizens stockpiling ammunition, potentially creating dangerous situations should those individuals ever come in contact with law enforcement agencies or criminals.

“It’s about getting people to think, really, about how much ammunition they need,” Gibson said. “It’s a step, I think, in a safer direction. It’s about getting people to think before they buy.”

Gibson insisted the bill is not “accusatory” toward gun and ammunition owners, but rather an effort to improve the safety of her community. She recalled the death of a Jacksonville man, Jordan Davis, 17, who was fatally shot during a confrontation with another man in November. Michael David Dunn, 46, of Satellite Beach, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder in the case.

Gibson first announced her intentions to introduce such legislation last month during a rally for Davis, saying “people are just not as patient as they used to be,” according to the Florida Times-Union.

“We see the rage on the road all the time,” she continued Wednesday. “People are just more impatient, I don’t know what it is.”

Gibson’s bill does not offer a threshold for the amount of ammunition needed to necessitate the need for anger management courses.

“It is unlawful to: A) Sell ammunition to another person who does not present certification that he or she has successfully completed an anger-management program consisting of at least 2 hours of online or face-to-face instruction in anger-management techniques,” the bill reads. “The certification must be renewed every 10 years. B) Purchase or otherwise obtain ammunition by fraud, false pretense, or false representation.”

Those in violation of the bill, if passed, would face a second-degree misdemeanor charge. Anyone found in violation a second time within a year of a prior conviction would face a first-degree misdemeanor charge.

Critics of the bill, however, derided the legislation as “absolutely ridiculous” and suggested that Gibson take a course on the U.S. Constitution.

“When I first saw it, I thought it had to be a joke,” said Sean Caranna, executive director of Florida Carry, a nonprofit group championing the right to bear arms. “They’re trying to say that anyone who owns a gun or shoots a gun or has ammunition for it needs counseling and obviously has some anger problems.”

Caranna said he was disappointed that Gibson wasted her time on the bill instead of focusing on other issues like jobs or the state’s rate of foreclosures, which is the highest in the nation.

“We’ve got a lot of issues that should be the focus of these bill slots with limited filing, but instead we put in something as ridiculous as this,” he said. “I don’t see a planet where this passes. This is an attempt to grab attention – it has to be. And that’s really disappointing.”

Jon Gutmacher, an Orlando attorney and author of “Florida Firearms: Law, Use & Ownership,” told FoxNews.com that the bill would almost certainly be found to be unconstitutional based on prior restraint.

“It has no reasonable relationship to anything,” he said. “There has to be a reasonable basis to believe that a person had a substantial anger problem that could cause public harm.”

Gutmacher said he found the bill to be an “insult” to any gun owner in the Sunshine State.

“It’s absurd on its face,” he continued. “And anyone who proposes that legislation is in my mind unfit for the legislature because it shows a basic problem with their thinking process, aside from their lack of understanding of what the Constitution is all about. That’s the kind of bill that doesn’t even get past committee.”

Wont go anywhere in Florida, but it's shit like this that's going to have voters laughing the democrats right out of office in 14. This one is so bad it's hilarious.

**KahanaReef** · 03-06-2013, 07:42 PM

Well, you know you can't trust anything FOX News puts out. So, I wouldn't worry about it

**5.0THIS** · 03-06-2013, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by KahanaReef

Well, you know you can't trust anything FOX News puts out. So, I wouldn't worry about it

Well I'm probably a bit dumber from having read something from Fox. I've got a long way to go though before my IQ sinks to near republican levels.

**2002ssslp** · 03-07-2013, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by KahanaReef

Well, you know you can't trust anything FOX News puts out. So, I wouldn't worry about it

Dena, I was going to challenge you on your comment but I remembered that you are from California and you can't help it. The US has 49 states and California. Why do people in your state like being governed by your elected officials. Don't you guys remember what it is like to be FREE ? BTW, Fox news is the only place you will find the truth. Otherwise you are just getting the spin the white house puts out. Nothing more. JMHO

**Zinergy** · 03-07-2013, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by 2002ssslp

Dena, I was going to challenge you on your comment but I remembered that you are from California and you can't help it. The US has 49 states and California. Why do people in your state like being governed by your elected officials. Don't you guys remember what it is like to be FREE ? BTW, Fox news is the only place you will find the truth. Otherwise you are just getting the spin the white house puts out. Nothing more. JMHO

She was being sarcastic as 5.0 made an entire thread about how fox news isn't factual. She actually has conservative beliefs unlike a majority of her state. And don't get all high and mighty sir as I see you are from NJ which really isn't any better. I never read anywhere in the COTUS where it said law abiding citizens needed to have a permit in order to buy a firearm. It also says bear arms and NJs may issue mentality in my mind is unconstitutional. Sounds like you guys are real free over there on the east coast.

That being said fox news doesn't know shit about shit. I am conservative in most of my thinking and I can't stand fox news.

**KahanaReef** · 03-07-2013, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by 2002ssslp

Dena, I was going to challenge you on your comment but I remembered that you are from California and you can't help it. The US has 49 states and California. Why do people in your state like being governed by your elected officials. Don't you guys remember what it is like to be FREE ? BTW, Fox news is the only place you will find the truth. Otherwise you are just getting the spin the white house puts out. Nothing more. JMHO

You haven't been paying attention, have you...

Originally Posted by Zinergy

She was being sarcastic as 5.0 made an entire thread about how fox news isn't factual. She actually has conservative beliefs unlike a majority of her state. And don't get all high and mighty sir as I see you are from NJ which really isn't any better. I never read anywhere in the COTUS where it said law abiding citizens needed to have a permit in order to buy a firearm. It also says bear arms and NJs may issue mentality in my mind is unconstitutional. Sounds like you guys are real free over there on the east coast.

That being said fox news doesn't know shit about shit. I am conservative in most of my thinking and I can't stand fox news.

Thank you for pointing that out. Apparently, not everyone knows or even understands my stance on politics or disdain for CA around here

**KahanaReef** · 03-07-2013, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by 5.0THIS

Well I'm probably a bit dumber from having read something from Fox. I've got a long way to go though before my IQ sinks to near republican levels.

You think so? Heh… I remember when I was much like you. You know, a free thinking Independent. Open to all debates. Yeah… And then, the state of CA went all liberal commie on my ass. Let us take a moment to view what is really going on in the state of CO, shall we?

If the liberal Democrats in your state end up anything like the Liberal Democrats in my state, you’ll find yourself in much in the same position that I’m in. You’ll no longer be able to look at those ballots and find the “good democratic candidate choice”. You’ll be in direct opposition to them. No matter how they have presented themselves, or past views on policy go, once elected, they will undoubtedly fall victim to the progressive far left democratic machine. There is no more Blue Dog/Conservative Democrats. And if they do still exist in your state, they will be devoured if elected into office…

So, for now, enjoy your Independence from the right or left. Oh the good old days…

You’re gonna end up leaning a bit further one way or the other as CO turns into CA. But, hopefully for you, the good people of CO won’t let it get that far. Guess we’ll have to wait and see. Until then, don’t judge us Conservative Independents on how far right we lean by means of necessity in an effort to retain or regain some balance

**5.0THIS** · 03-07-2013, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Zinergy

She was being sarcastic as 5.0 made an entire thread about how fox news isn't factual.

Not less factual, just that Fox news viewers are less informed. study was pretty simple to understand (unless you're a republican

)

Originally Posted by KahanaReef

You think so? Heh… I remember when I was much like you. You know, a free thinking Independent. Open to all debates. Yeah… And then, the state of CA went all liberal commie on my ass. Let us take a moment to view what is really going on in the state of CO, shall we?

If the liberal Democrats in your state end up anything like the Liberal Democrats in my state, you’ll find yourself in much in the same position that I’m in. You’ll no longer be able to look at those ballots and find the “good democratic candidate choice”. You’ll be in direct opposition to them. No matter how they have presented themselves, or past views on policy go, once elected, they will undoubtedly fall victim to the progressive far left democratic machine. There is no more Blue Dog/Conservative Democrats. And if they do still exist in your state, they will be devoured if elected into office…

So, for now, enjoy your Independence from the right or left. Oh the good old days…

You’re gonna end up leaning a bit further one way or the other as CO turns into CA. But, hopefully for you, the good people of CO won’t let it get that far. Guess we’ll have to wait and see. Until then, don’t judge us Conservative Independents on how far right we lean by means of necessity in an effort to retain or regain some balance

I'm well aware of whats going on here. Part of the reason why things are the way they are here is because of all the assholes moving here from California, bringing theire near-retarded level of thought with them. From what I'm reading there are still some democrats here that are against some of the gun measures. Not sure how much weight it will carry, but we'll see. I absolutely hate the idea of being a one-issue voter, as it's incredibly narrow-minded and just plain stupid. If I have to vote that way in the coming elections to prove a point I will truly feel dumber for having done it. Like I said, I actually like our democratic governor, with the exception of his stance on guns. It will be difficult for me to weigh his pros and cons at his re-election bid.

**wileyCoyote** · 03-07-2013, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by 5.0THIS

Not less factual, just that Fox news viewers are less informed. study was pretty simple to understand (unless you're a republican

)

I'm well aware of whats going on here. Part of the reason why things are the way they are here is because of all the assholes moving here from California, bringing theire near-retarded level of thought with them. From what I'm reading there are still some democrats here that are against some of the gun measures. Not sure how much weight it will carry, but we'll see. I absolutely hate the idea of being a one-issue voter, as it's incredibly narrow-minded and just plain stupid. If I have to vote that way in the coming elections to prove a point I will truly feel dumber for having done it. Like I said, I actually like our democratic governor, with the exception of his stance on guns. It will be difficult for me to weigh his pros and cons at his re-election bid.

...being a "one issue" voter is not "stupid", ...i used to consider myself someone who weighed all sorts of issues, ...but in recent times, and trying to claw our way back to "real" gun rights/liberty, i'm becoming more dominant "single issue" for gun rights... your gun rights are the final check against gov't power, ...if you can't tell them to pound sand, they will come pound you into submission or worse... the founders referred to gov't as a "necessary evil", ...but an "evil" none-the-less

...the democrat party is a gun-control party - don't take my word for it, look at their "party platform", and look at what is happening right now, in your state and other "blue states"... it's an all out assault because progressives "never let a crisis go to waste"... you can have the best of intentions voting for a "good democrat", but when that "good democrat" votes for the party leadership that is almost always progressive/radical, ...you get progressive/radical agendas rammed down your throat - that's just how it works... sure they might give a few "pro-gun" democrats some cover, ...because the leadership knows they can pass the bill by one vote margin... playing politics w/ your rights, ...it's a tad-bit disheartening, eh?...