Buying headers is tough, pls help.

**senicalj4579** · 03-10-2008, 12:33 PM

they all say id in the specs but if its true measurement or not...thats the question

**rickssz** · 03-11-2008, 06:32 AM

Are you sure exhaust isnt measured by outside diameter ie muffler inlet 3" outlet 2 1/2" ?

**Eagle** · 03-11-2008, 06:37 AM

Lets put it this way, the 1 3/4" OBX junk I bought measured 1 1/2" ID, where the Kooks measured 1 3/4"...

**JoshuaGrooms83** · 06-15-2008, 04:42 AM

well i guess that answers my question. I guess the OBX's are a waste of time and money huh? Good thing i read this before, i was set on buying them until now. I thought they looked kinda small in there pictures too. I guess they really are small lol thanks guys!

**JoshuaGrooms83** · 06-15-2008, 04:43 AM

im debating now, kooks or pacesetter

**JoshuaGrooms83** · 06-15-2008, 04:43 AM

oh and for the record SLP's are WAY to expensive

**96Firebirdformula** · 06-15-2008, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by JoshuaGrooms83

im debating now, kooks or pacesetter

Pacesetters are junk. you get what you pay for. go with KOOKS.

**punisherTA** · 06-15-2008, 07:28 AM

I've got the kooks. Great quality, no issues after a few years of driving.

**HMERacing** · 06-15-2008, 08:52 AM

I have the SLP tuned LTs, cats, ypipe with Loudmouth 1
I love the setup, the only thing I dont like is the ground clearance.
but fit/quality is great. The LTs, cats, ypipe took 4 hours to install.
and these were the first headers I have ever installed.

video of Exhaust
http://video.cardomain.com/Clip.aspx...E297D30CBF2D81
Car page itself
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022039

**JoshuaGrooms83** · 06-15-2008, 08:55 AM

since i want to add eibachs spings later, i think ill stay away from SLP's, and like i said i dont have close to over a grand for Headers and a y pipe right now.

**N20LT4** · 06-15-2008, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by 96Firebirdformula

Pacesetters are junk. you get what you pay for. go with KOOKS.

Pacesetter's are junk? I have to totally disagree. They are good quality for the price - best bang for your buck no doubt in my mind.

And I own a pair of Kooks 1-7/8's, so there's no bias on my part.

**xzaero0** · 06-15-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by 96Firebirdformula

Pacesetters are junk. you get what you pay for. go with KOOKS.

American Racing Headers and Kooks are pratically the same product. Infact they look like they are both made out of parts from the same factory.

**Eagle** · 06-15-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by xzaero0

American Racing Headers and Kooks are pratically the same product. Infact they look like they are both made out of parts from the same factory.

Nope, two completely different headers... Collector design alone could tell you that...

-Eagle

**mghawk57** · 06-16-2008, 04:39 AM

I have pacesetters and the fit and quality is great!!

**Hurley711** · 06-16-2008, 05:26 AM

Cheaper option def Pcesetters, BUT if you have and don't mind spending a few extra $$$ go with the Kooks

**Eagle** · 06-16-2008, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by Hurley711

Cheaper option def Pcesetters, BUT if you have and don't mind spending a few extra $$$ go with the Kooks

Totally agree, this is the way to go. Although ARH is definitely a close 2nd to the Kooks in quality and performance gains.

-Eagle

**JoshuaGrooms83** · 06-16-2008, 08:10 AM

thanks guys, I think ill try out the ceramic pacesetters and y-pipe when my stim check comes in

**xzaero0** · 06-16-2008, 08:10 AM

The differnce between the 2 headers I seen (My ARHs and Rhinomans Kooks) was so slight that I felt terrible telling Rhinoman to go with Kooks cause he wanted the best headers for his GTO, Sad to he got amost the exact same thing but ripped off for $300-$400. The only thing he got that was better from them was a better recongized name.

The headers are so close that one brand has to be a rip off of the other.

**Eagle** · 06-16-2008, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by xzaero0

The differnce between the 2 headers I seen (My ARHs and Rhinomans Kooks) was so slight that I felt terrible telling Rhinoman to go with Kooks cause he wanted the best headers for his GTO, Sad to he got amost the exact same thing but ripped off for $300-$400. The only thing he got that was better from them was a better recongized name.

The headers are so close that one brand has to be a rip off of the other.

Ok, I'll repeat... the ARH collector design is COMPLETELY different than the Kooks. They are not the same design @ all but are fairly close in quality. Performance I can't speak for, but I know the Kooks made a big diff on my 02 TA and the ARH's definitely helped my cuz's C5...

But rest assured, the design is completely different!

-Eagle

**N20LT4** · 06-16-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Eagle

Ok, I'll repeat... the ARH collector design is COMPLETELY different than the Kooks. They are not the same design @ all but are fairly close in quality. Performance I can't speak for, but I know the Kooks made a big diff on my 02 TA and the ARH's definitely helped my cuz's C5...

But rest assured, the design is completely different!

-Eagle

Just to chime in on this one here...how about some power/dyno comparisons between these two headers (the Kooks and ARH). I am aware they do infact have two completely different collector designs, but the question is are the Kooks that much better for the price difference. After all, it is significant.