Ls1 Rx-7

[KLEEMANN]

Here is ALL I have to say on the matter......Ready?....You are too old to be a ricer, and your car is tastefully done....You own that and an AMG....also a nice (old) guys car....LOL.....SO my only conclusion has to be is secretly, you are a "clostet" ls1/muscle car lover....You are just not allowed to post such blasphemy on rx7.com......but anywho, your secret is safe with me....
Brad

I like all performance cars. My friend an I did a frame up restoration on an Olds W-30 ~ 20 years ago. So ya, I like all types of performance cars. Here is what our modded AMG "is"...

http://www.kleemann.dk/site/567EE3BB..._name=newsitem

[superchargedblackgto]

Nobody said your car was a "handling nightmare". It's just not in the same league as a factory purpose built track car.....no need for anyone (you or me) to be emotional - the GTO is just a different type of car with a different designed purpose.

I agree, My feathers are by far from ruffled.....LOL....I'm here for the entertainment value.......LOLand remember "I don't play well with others"

Brad

[superchargedblackgto]

I like all performance cars. My friend an I did a frame up restoration on an Olds W-30 ~ 20 years ago. So ya, I like all types of performance cars. Here is what our modded AMG "is"...

http://www.kleemann.dk/site/567EE3BB..._name=newsitem

Very impressive......however, I liked my breakdown better....Have You been on the show with Robin Leach?......
Just messin.....LOL

[KLEEMANN]

Very impressive......however, I liked my breakdown better....Have You been on the show with Robin Leach?......
Just messin.....LOL

He's my butler...

[superchargedblackgto]

He's my butler...

U have very nice rides.....however Im on the Dave Ramsey program, and that would be "too much" car for me.....working on the debt free.....program...."the debter in the slave to the lender"
Me...

[tonyjnjz]

Sick cars kleemann!!! What do u do for a living?

[Spikito]

it does actually ty......now in my boredom at work scrolling ebay i came across this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ksid=p3907.m29

a 12 cyl rotary engine .......in a PORSCHE!!! wtf ......has to be a typo...any info? i appologize if this is hijacking the thread a lil

I dont think they mean rotary as is an FD, its like an aircraft engine. its got cylinders going all 4 directions. i dont know much about them, but ive heard of it before,

[tonyjnjz]

I dont think they mean rotary as is an FD, its like an aircraft engine. its got cylinders going all 4 directions. i dont know much about them, but ive heard of it before,

interesting..hmm

[bodyman5000]

Reality? Funny stuff coming from someone whom has never owned a rotary. When you have built & ported over a THOUSAND 12A & 13B blocks (as a hobby) during the last 27 yrs, run nitrous, single & twin turbo configurations in addition to supercharging, standard & ceramic seal sets, & ~ 20 different hand porting configs - we'll talk. Injectors don't just "go bad"...you:
1) have them pulled & increase their CFM rate in accordance with its mods
2) replace your fuel filter once every ~ 2 yrs

I'm at a loss why you mention your experience with your previous Olds 455s & how you blew them up (it's got nothing to do with rotary powerplants). And your point about some RX-7s in the paper (HINT: there are more piston for sale cars in the paper - point being?....especially for cars that ceased sale in the US over 13 yrs ago).

And please, my current FD puts out 316 rwtq in a 2700 lbs car (it's a daily driver that runs low 11s)....that is ~ 20 more rwtq than a 5.7L C5 powerplant...plenty. The wife's SLK puts out 512 rwtq so I'm more than familiar with it.

Bottom line - rotaries are very reliable if given appropriate attention to fuel
Some proof? The RX-7 has more IMSA victories than any car in history (112)...Porsche is 2nd with 62 with its 911 platform. Those conditions are a little more grueling than street traffic.

I will agree with you that the FD has 2 design weakness (which can be quickly fixed):
1) the stock twin turbo hoses should be swapped out for silicon (stockers dry rot over time causing irregular boost patterns), &
2) a bigger/more efficient radiator helps in keeping engine temps down (pretty doubtful you will overheat your motor with the stocker but it can indeed still get pretty hot in sustained stopped traffic when temps are over ~ 100 degrees - which can make make the car uncomfortable)

I am at a loss to understand why someone who is obviously very bright and well to do can't differentiate between the real world and his own personal experience.

You didn't even come remotely close to grasping the point about the ads in the paper..

Car A has 100000 miles. It is for sale. Has 50000 miles on rebuilt engine.

You do the math.

Let me make this more clear.


I haven't ever owned any Rx7 because I simply can't fit in them. My head hits the roof no matter what engine is in the car. Sorry. I can tell you that the last gen is a wicked looking nice little car. I would have one with a junkyard 5.3 and a turbo if I could fit in it.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha about racing and how grueling it is compared to street traffic.

I mean, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.


This argument is weak.

It would be like fighting about Hondas with someone who has a 9 second turbo street car.

It would be like fighting with Michael Jordan about how easy basketball is.

For those people, sure. In the real world..not so much.



Oh yeah, the point about the Olds motors should be obvious. Each engine has its flaws...

(they can be addressed, just like you seem to have done with rotaries)

as it is possible to build a 455 Olds to rev higher than 5500 rpm without blowing it up every five miles.

It just isn't the norm.

Oh, by the way....here is a good challenge.

I will go slap the front clip back on my 68 cutlass that hasn't had an oil change since 1985 and charge the battery. We will both drive out to Pahrump Nevada and meet up. It is about an hour away from Vegas.

You bring your daily driver.

We will poke a hole in the radiator of each car and see who makes it back to Vegas first without adding water to the car.

I know firsthand that I can drive that car without water until it goes into vaporlock and then let it cool add water and keep going. Try that with a rotary.

[KLEEMANN]

I am at a loss to understand why someone who is obviously very bright and well to do can't differentiate between the real world and his own personal experience.

You didn't even come remotely close to grasping the point about the ads in the paper..

Car A has 100000 miles. It is for sale. Has 50000 miles on rebuilt engine.

You do the math.

Let me make this more clear.

It's very simple.
1) The dealers were never correctly trained on the cars so they blame everything on the motor. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen this.

2) The cars are older and every kid in the world thinks they can mod them without going through the correct steps, it cannot be done. They grenade the motor by turning up the boost without doing anything else.

I haven't ever owned any Rx7 because I simply can't fit in them. My head hits the roof no matter what engine is in the car.

I am ~6 ft and I have no problem and I have a freind who is 6 ft 4 and he is ok. There is one individual on the RX-7 forum that is 6' 5 that owns one and also has no problems. So you must be one big mofo...

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha about racing and how grueling it is compared to street traffic.

I mean, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

This argument is weak.

It would be like fighting about Hondas with someone who has a 9 second turbo street car.

It would be like fighting with Michael Jordan about how easy basketball is.

For those people, sure. In the real world..not so much.

Uh no. Show me one very successful engine that dominated a race series and was unreliable?

Oh yeah, the point about the Olds motors should be obvious. Each engine has its flaws...

(they can be addressed, just like you seem to have done with rotaries)

as it is possible to build a 455 Olds to rev higher than 5500 rpm without blowing it up every five miles.

It just isn't the norm.

Oh, by the way....here is a good challenge.

I will go slap the front clip back on my 68 cutlass that hasn't had an oil change since 1985 and charge the battery. We will both drive out to Pahrump Nevada and meet up. It is about an hour away from Vegas.

You bring your daily driver.

We will poke a hole in the radiator of each car and see who makes it back to Vegas first without adding water to the car.

I know firsthand that I can drive that car without water until it goes into vaporlock and then let it cool add water and keep going. Try that with a rotary.

Since when does poking a hole in the radiator and seeing which car runs the longest a test for how good an engine is? That would make a VW engine the best engine ever built. How about we start the cars up and rev them both to 8500 rpm and see which one stays together? That's just about as useful as your suggestion. I was just pointing out Mazda used too small of a radiator.

You should be shot for not changing the oil in the Olds. I had a W-31 I restored in high school.

[KLEEMANN]

U have very nice rides.....however Im on the Dave Ramsey program, and that would be "too much" car for me.....working on the debt free.....program...."the debter in the slave to the lender"
Me...

Maybe now but maybe not in a couple years after you are done with the "Dave Ramsey" program. I'm sure if you wanted one you would own one. It's just a car...

[KLEEMANN]

Endurance racing is WAY more challenging than street driving. It's not an argument, it's fact. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but racing is the litmus test for proving reliability & guess what? The rotary powerplant didn't just win, it absolutely DOMINATED IMSA for more than a decade ('79 - '91) when the RX-7 platform was heavily raced here in the US. It continued its winning ways in other countries (since the RX-7 ceased sales here in the US in '95) such as Japan, Europe, & Australia (Bathhurst series). Mazda remains the only Japanese manufacturer to ever win LeMans ('91, in the 787B....a N/A rotary putting out 700 Hp). The engine was later dissambled in Japan - it had ZERO engine wear. Here read up:

"Although the 787 and 787B lacked the single lap pace of World Championship competitors such as Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, and Porsche, as well Japanese Championship competitors Nissan and Toyota, the Mazdas had reliability which allowed them to contend for their respective championships. The reliability of the cars eventually paid off in 1991 when a 787B driven by Johnny Herbert, Volker Weidler, and Bertrand Gachot to victory in the 1991 24 Hours of Le Mans. This remains as of 2008 the only victory by a Japanese marque as well as the only victory by a car not using a reciprocating engine design."

But hey, an established racing history across the planet in the most grueling conditions doesn't matter, because, hold on folks, .....some guy in Vegas driving a '68 Olds wants to punch a hole in his radiator & drive it through the desert. Not only is this inane, up there with your other brilliant idea of not changing the car's oil for 22 years, but I have better things to do with my time than to meet some internet guy from a car forum in the middle of a desert).

Forgive us all, but I think I'll put a little more credence in a car's established racing history augmented with my 26 years of extensive rotary knowledge over your ill informed Area 51 experiment. And BTW, my personal experience is "real world" (as are the discussions & technology sharing between myself & other knowledgable rotary enthusiasts & racing teams). I think perhaps you have been in the sun a bit too long.