what will be your reaction when barry bonds breaks the hr record ?

**burnws6** · 08-01-2007, 12:37 PM

**secondgearscratch** · 08-01-2007, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by JesusFan

picthers back then could also beam u w/o getting tossed

whats your point? pitchers will still throw at you if you crowd the plate, and i think its stupid that they get thrown out for doing so. baseball used to be gritty, now its kinda pussy.

bonds hits the homers because almost every pitcher lets him stand so far inside. one to the dome and i think he may just get the message.

and btw whoever said steroids helped bonds play into his 40s is wrong. he's lucky he was in very good shape before he started juicing. time is strongly against him if he continues to do so.

anyone remember ken camniti? remember how in shape he was? what kind of athlete he was? now do you remember what happened when he thought he should be huge???

dead.

**John Ceta** · 08-01-2007, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

whats your point? pitchers will still throw at you if you crowd the plate, and i think its stupid that they get thrown out for doing so. baseball used to be gritty, now its kinda pussy.

bonds hits the homers because almost every pitcher lets him stand so far inside. one to the dome and i think he may just get the message.

and btw whoever said steroids helped bonds play into his 40s is wrong. he's lucky he was in very good shape before he started juicing. time is strongly against him if he continues to do so.

anyone remember ken camniti? remember how in shape he was? what kind of athlete he was? now do you remember what happened when he thought he should be huge???

dead.

Caminiti was also a cokehead, though.

**secondgearscratch** · 08-01-2007, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by John Ceta

Caminiti was also a cokehead, though.

shhhh. youre fucking me up dude....

j/k yeah that is true but i can say without a doubt that steriod use was the major factor. i read a huge article about the autopsy they did and what all he was using a few years ago. wish i knew what magazine or where to look but its been a long time.

**310stanger** · 08-01-2007, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

steriods most definetly played a huge roll in these douche bags hitting home runs. and are you kidding me? bonds is not on creatine...you dont get that stacked using creatine, i dont care how hard you work out. he is chiseled and has alot of mass, something that creatine usage cannot really give you because it adds so much weight because it retains water in your muscles. you have to do equal parts cardio when using creatine to look lean, thats a fact. the more cardio you do, the less mass you build. short story, he's juicing.

you dont see eckstein hitting the shit out of the ball every time or taguchi and i can almost guarantee they have "faster hands" than bonds does. its a power thing. he can barely tap the ball and it goes 400 ft because he has such explosive strength in his legs, chest and shoulders.

consider the fact that when hank aaron was hitting all those home runs the pitchers ruled the game. they doctored the ball and threw outrageous curves, and because guys like bob gibson were pitching no hitters and consistently embarassing batters they lowered the height of the mound. hank hit 715 hrs during all that shit. so fuck barrry bonds and his steriods, he's got it easy.

sad story of a used to be complete player being yet another worthless cocky shit head batter...

i agree with him being big, but you see Barry Bonds and see a chiseled athlete?

**secondgearscratch** · 08-01-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by 310stanger

i agree with him being big, but you see Barry Bonds and see a chiseled athlete?

have you seen the guys arms and chest... he's no ronnie coleman (though he probably could be) but he has a lot of definition and mass for using "creatine" if thats what we're calling anabolic steroids these days...

**Sarge** · 08-01-2007, 03:09 PM

I'll get up the next morning...make coffee...read the paper and take a shit.

**Speedy_Gonzales** · 08-01-2007, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

whats your point? pitchers will still throw at you if you crowd the plate, and i think its stupid that they get thrown out for doing so. baseball used to be gritty, now its kinda pussy.

bonds hits the homers because almost every pitcher lets him stand so far inside. one to the dome and i think he may just get the message.

and btw whoever said steroids helped bonds play into his 40s is wrong. he's lucky he was in very good shape before he started juicing. time is strongly against him if he continues to do so.

anyone remember ken camniti? remember how in shape he was? what kind of athlete he was? now do you remember what happened when he thought he should be huge???

dead.

u said pitchers dominated....1 reason is they could knock your head off if they wanted....and how many games in the 60's, 70's and 80's did u watch ?

also many many players have did roids with little results at the plate....u have to be able to hit period

and he has passed every test they have give him.....explain that one ?

**secondgearscratch** · 08-01-2007, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by JesusFan

u said pitchers dominated....1 reason is they could knock your head off if they wanted....and how many games in the 60's, 70's and 80's did u watch ?

also many many players have did roids with little results at the plate....u have to be able to hit period

and he has passed every test they have give him.....explain that one ?

they didnt just go around knocking out batters when they felt like it, so lets not stretch the truth. and i used to be a huge baseball fan, so i watched alot of old cardinals games my dad and grandpa had taped. espn classic too!!

many many players? who? jose was a power hitter. palmero was a power hitter. sosa was a power hitter. mcgwire was a power hitter. camniti was a power hitter. john cruk was a fat ass...wait...um nevermind.

what kind of tests? what do they test? testosterone levels? you can just as rapidly stop producing testosterone as you can produce it, its the ridiculous time period and burst of it that makes it dangerous to start and to stop. my friend almost killed himself juicing, so i know about the ugly part of it, the blood running out an arm when the shit didnt inject right. its sick and its almost unreal.

explain the tests.

**310stanger** · 08-01-2007, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

whats your point? pitchers will still throw at you if you crowd the plate, and i think its stupid that they get thrown out for doing so. baseball used to be gritty, now its kinda pussy.

bonds hits the homers because almost every pitcher lets him stand so far inside. one to the dome and i think he may just get the message.

and btw whoever said steroids helped bonds play into his 40s is wrong. he's lucky he was in very good shape before he started juicing. time is strongly against him if he continues to do so.

anyone remember ken camniti? remember how in shape he was? what kind of athlete he was? now do you remember what happened when he thought he should be huge???

dead.

Ken Caminiti od'd on coke......

**secondgearscratch** · 08-01-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by 310stanger

Ken Caminiti od'd on coke......

read about what happened to his ballsack and thats no bullshit. he was not healthy because of steroid abuse, not just his little coke habit.

either way he is a moron and so is bonds and the rest of the body builders posing as ballplayers.

remember when ball players werent on roids? neither do i...

**DanWS6** · 08-01-2007, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by burnws6

**Speedy_Gonzales** · 08-01-2007, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

they didnt just go around knocking out batters when they felt like it, so lets not stretch the truth. and i used to be a huge baseball fan, so i watched alot of old cardinals games my dad and grandpa had taped. espn classic too!!

many many players? who? jose was a power hitter. palmero was a power hitter. sosa was a power hitter. mcgwire was a power hitter. camniti was a power hitter. john cruk was a fat ass...wait...um nevermind.

what kind of tests? what do they test? testosterone levels? you can just as rapidly stop producing testosterone as you can produce it, its the ridiculous time period and burst of it that makes it dangerous to start and to stop. my friend almost killed himself juicing, so i know about the ugly part of it, the blood running out an arm when the shit didnt inject right. its sick and its almost unreal.

explain the tests.

if someone showed up bob gibson next time around he hit them.........one guy that hit a homerun off him, Gibson retired b4 they met again..... 10 years later in a hall of fame game the guy came to bat against gibson guess what happened ? u got it gibson nailed him lol

1,000's of players who never make minor/major baseball have took roids
W/O tallent roids get u no where. If the truth could be told how many players in the past have been on roids ? No testing back in the day. I of course dont know in detail what a steroids test consist of. Is it worth the risk using them ? NO

**310stanger** · 08-01-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

have you seen the guys arms and chest... he's no ronnie coleman (though he probably could be) but he has a lot of definition and mass for using "creatine" if thats what we're calling anabolic steroids these days...

theres a difference between being big and being big and chiseled. Barry Bonds is not ripped/chiseled.

**310stanger** · 08-01-2007, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

read about what happened to his ballsack and thats no bullshit. he was not healthy because of steroid abuse, not just his little coke habit.

either way he is a moron and so is bonds and the rest of the body builders posing as ballplayers.

remember when ball players werent on roids? neither do i...

lil coke habit? dude thats what killed him. he had a big coke problem. link me to the article discussing the problems with his bullsack.

**secondgearscratch** · 08-01-2007, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by JesusFan

if someone showed up bob gibson next time around he hit them.........one guy that hit a homerun off him, Gibson retired b4 they met again..... 10 years later in a hall of fame game the guy came to bat against gibson guess what happened ? u got it gibson nailed him lol

1,000's of players who never make minor/major baseball have took roids
W/O tallent roids get u no where. If the truth could be told how many players in the past have been on roids ? No testing back in the day. I of course dont know in detail what a steroids test consist of. Is it worth the risk using them ? NO

i agree but we arent talking about talent here. bonds is not in his prime anymore, and look what he did while he was in his prime. he hit 40+ a year and was a complete player. if you honestly think that being a powerful guy has nothing to with hitting home runs then i have to think youre misinformed randy.

i can hit a 90 mile an hour pitch and i have really fast bat speed. i weigh 180 pounds but i can guarantee i cannot hit it 400 ft. why? i can bench atleast my weight, used to do 215 back when i played and weighed alot less. its all about strength. most hitters in the mlb are capable of hitting home runs. they dont have talent?
what about pujols? hes a decent sized guy and i dont see him hitting 70 a year and he has consistently been one of the best hitters in the last 5 years.

hate to tell ya but when its professional sports your talking, there isnt just one barry bonds, theres several who can do and have done what he has as a player. the home run thing is because hes to the point that he can just hit one whenever he connects right. no body checks him. steroids gave him that edge just like they did for mcgwire and sosa. where was bonds in 98 when mcgwire was killing the records? not juicing yet is the answer.

**secondgearscratch** · 08-01-2007, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by 310stanger

theres a difference between being big and being big and chiseled. Barry Bonds is not ripped/chiseled.

he's cut. how can you say he isnt cut? i wouldnt call him really husky. he's cut and and has alot of mass. look at that pic up top. look at his arm. he aint lean because hes too big to be "lean" hes cut. roids....

**secondgearscratch** · 08-01-2007, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by 310stanger

lil coke habit? dude thats what killed him. he had a big coke problem. link me to the article discussing the problems with his bullsack.

i would love to but as i said i cant remember where i read it...i did read it though. i have no other interest in his sack so i cant be making it up.

i respect your alls opinions but i think bonds has tarnished the image of the game much like a few punks like allen iverson tarnished the image of professional basketball. bonds, imo, has disgraced the record by cheating with roids.

then you have to ask what hank would have accomplished while on roids. and you cant tell me bonds is anymore talented than hank aaron...

he's an asshat, just like jose and sosa and mcgwire, no matter how much they cry about it.

**Speedy_Gonzales** · 08-01-2007, 04:02 PM

**310stanger** · 08-01-2007, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

he's cut. how can you say he isnt cut? i wouldnt call him really husky. he's cut and and has alot of mass. look at that pic up top. look at his arm. he aint lean because hes too big to be "lean" hes cut. roids....

lean and cut are one in the same....... How do you know guys like Pujols arent on roids? They never actually "caught" Barry Bonds with anything. What would your response be if they found out that Pujols was taking some equipoise and some sustenon? Explain how Alfonso Soriano is hitting as many home runs as he is? He sure doesnt look like a steroid user