Don't be a know it all!

[Smkn_TA]

1.2 hours to mount and balance 5 tires seems fair me to me?

[importhater81]

1.2 hours to mount and balance 5 tires seems fair me to me?

That's actually not too bad . We get paid .7 hrs. to do 4 vette tires at my shop.

[allbaugh_04]

So a master tech that uses air tools can't beat the book time...

What kind of mechanic doesn't use air tools..

[02transamce]

I used to get 0.7 for a lof and tire rotation.I wouldn't mount and balance 4 tires for any less than 1.0 but that's what repair shops want now a days, techs that work for damn near free while they constantly raise labor rates.
Posted via Mobile Device

[310stanger]

Who determines the book time and at what skill level?

I'm guessing the average mechanic that isn't retarded could beat the book every time.

What you dont know about whats involved with servicing a car is a lot.

[cammed goat]

What you dont know about whats involved with servicing a car is a lot.

This.

[310stanger]

Book time is determined and I quote "by the factory using hand tools" according to G.M.

You are wrong to think every average or good tech and beat the book time every time.Take into account rusted bolts that break,cars that are hacked up by other shops or the owners,or cars that have intermittent problems that take a while to diagnose,as well as many other scenarios. In these cases the tech is the one on the receiving end of getting screwed.

Hot engines, tight as fuck room to work with, the needs of a special tool to complete the job, or the simple fact that is literally impossible to beat "factory labor times" on certain jobs.

An interesting example of wacky labor times. To reflash the pcm on a toyota i was working on (forget which model) the factory paid .4 to do it. Well the reflash itself actually took like 38 minutes. So regardless of how "fast" I worked, it was absolutely impossible to beat book time on it. Nevermind the fact that theres other things you have to take into account before the reflash even took place.

Factory labor times are created with BRAND NEW vehicles, and most of the work on the engine they set the times with the engine out of the car. They know how long it really takes, but they butcher the time down because they dont wanna pay a tech any money to fix it. They do this because they can. Its basically an "eat shit" and like it situation.

[310stanger]

That's actually not too bad . We get paid .7 hrs. to do 4 vette tires at my shop.

Wow what an assfuck that is.

At my toyota place 4 tires GENERALLY pays 1 hr. 1.2 for run flats.


.7 for FOUR vette tires? They can kiss my fuckin ass. I wouldnt even bother recommending tires unless the cords were freaking showing.

[310stanger]

I know this bit of info would break all my fellow gearheads hearts, but owners of modified late model "performance" vehicles are generally the biggest prick douchebag customers there is.

[310stanger]

1.2 hours to mount and balance 5 tires seems fair me to me?

I agree. 1.0 hr for four at my job and if its just normal tires I have no issue with getting 1 hr. But those damn tires better be in stock, cause I dont wanna wait all day for the tire guy to deliver them.

[02transamce]

Makita 3/8ths impact guns and drills trump air tools.1.0 for mounting and balancing 4 tires is absolutely fair,the thing about the firestone recall was people were getting 4 tires and the spare replaced for free and they would bitch if we didn't have/install Michelins!
Posted via Mobile Device

[importhater81]

So a master tech that uses air tools can't beat the book time...

What kind of mechanic doesn't use air tools..

That is how G.M. determines warranty time...On a half assembled car on the assembly line with hand tools..or so they say.Every tech uses air tools.

Just to clear this up as well..for people that have never wrenched...there is a huge difference between a tech and a parts changer. I can change just about any part on a G.M. car in about half the book time and so can many other's who work on them everyday. The difference is between the two is the tech will diagnose and fix your car the first time, a parts changer will throw a shitload of parts at it,charge you for them all , and in the end your car will still not be fixed. Customer's are not just paying the time it took to replace parts,but also how long it took to figure out without replacing a bunch of unnecessary shit.

[Mr. Luos]

I know this bit of info would break all my fellow gearheads hearts, but owners of modified late model "performance" vehicles are generally the biggest prick douchebag customers there is.

Fucking right I am.

[importhater81]

I know this bit of info would break all my fellow gearheads hearts, but owners of modified late model "performance" vehicles are generally the biggest prick douchebag customers there is.

This is very true. About 6 months ago we had a 07 SS trailblazer towed in with a rod hanging out the side of the block,still under powertrain warranty.
The dumbfuck was stupid enough to leave his nitrous bottle in the car.When his claim was denied by the district rep, he threatened to file a lawsuit against our dealer and G.M.

[allbaugh_04]

What you dont know about whats involved with servicing a car is a lot.

You are right, I have no clue how to service a car.

[02transamce]

We had a lightning the same way when I lived in FL,the general manager of our dealership told him to GTFO,he said "I'm going to get a lawyer" few days later the truck was at a small garage never heard from him again.
Posted via Mobile Device

[Smkn_TA]

An interesting example of wacky labor times. To reflash the pcm on a toyota i was working on (forget which model) the factory paid .4 to do it. Well the reflash itself actually took like 38 minutes. So regardless of how "fast" I worked, it was absolutely impossible to beat book time on it. Nevermind the fact that theres other things you have to take into account before the reflash even took place.

No idea how a reflash works, but I assume you initiate the software and walk away? You could do something else in the mean time. 40 minutes can put a decent dent in most projects.

[02transamce]

Not if the reflash prompts you to input information during the process.
Posted via Mobile Device

[cammed goat]

This is very true. About 6 months ago we had a 07 SS trailblazer towed in with a rod hanging out the side of the block,still under powertrain warranty.
The dumbfuck was stupid enough to leave his nitrous bottle in the car.When his claim was denied by the district rep, he threatened to file a lawsuit against our dealer and G.M.

That guy is a DUMB@$$!!