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Thread: LSX 454 Build Sheet and Opinions
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08-25-2009, 10:58 AM #41
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Collectors Edition Yellow- 2002 Pontiac Trans AM WS6
LOL to the PS
I dunno, i just wanted the reliability of the LSX knowing i could throw whatever i wanted at it and not have to worry esp if im going to slap the F1 I have on it. I would love a 9s all motor build but that would take extreme amounts of work for merely bragging rights and i would like to have the poweradder so i can adjust how much power i want and so forth.
Ultimetly, i think im going to go with the 454 LSX as my base block, apparently my friend said he can get me a steal of a deal on the 454 with all forged internals for less then 5K and its assembled! So i wanna look into that to make sure the internals aren't crappy or the work isnt half assed.
So, if i can get the motor built with the internals (good ones Luneti, diamond etc.) and it only costs 5K total i think that's worth getting the block then just slowly over the next 2 years say built it up and have it ready for the street. With only 5K on the motor plus heads, cam, intake etc. i think i could do the whole thing (no labor, doing the work myself) for 10K-12K and still have pleanty of money left over for rear, tranny, and suspension.
What do you think, sound realistic or am i dreaming too much
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08-28-2009, 11:03 AM #42
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Dreaming-I think. Does'nt hurt to dream (except your wallet). Maybe have your bud put 2 of those lsx 454 together and I'll take one at that price. Have him finish em off for another 2K and I'm all over it!
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08-28-2009, 11:09 AM #43
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LOL, were both working on them. He knows more about the dynamics of the build then i do but i have a better understanding of the parts from the LS perspective plus i have this forum
Getting the engine at as close to cost as humanly possible from a good friend who owes me a favor and has a tier 1 auto business account hehe
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08-29-2009, 03:52 PM #44
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Don't forget how tight we've become! do one for me!!!!!!!!
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08-29-2009, 04:03 PM #45
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Show me the money! lol
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08-29-2009, 04:04 PM #46
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08-29-2009, 04:06 PM #47
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08-29-2009, 04:25 PM #48
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08-30-2009, 11:24 PM #49
I also spent into the $20,000+ with a BIG name ls1tech sponser that installed a procharger P-1SC tuner kit, 42lb inj, Blower cam, FAST fuel rails, racetronix pump and wiring kit, torque converter and install, autometer nexus gauges: boost, fuel pressure, wideband. I already had hooker longtubes, ORY, Hooker catback ordered from the same company. I spent over $20K and they didn't do any work to the bottom end. As a matter of fact, I still had my stock heads and an LS6 intake. That was on my BSM 1999 WS6 with around 23,xxx miles and I had this work done in 02 and if I would have some of the people that I know today, one of them IMO is one of the best LSX engine mechanics in the whole southeast, I probably would have gone a different route. I didn't anticipate the tranny going out on the dyno during the initial supercharger and cam tune, or having belt slippage problems with the 6 rib pulley. I was only hitting about 4 lbs of boost. I then ordered the 8 rib setup and ATI superdampener and the 9lb pulley(3.2", i think) with gave me almost 7 lbs of boost until my 8 rib setup and accessories came in. Oh well, some far as of now, I'm leaning towards an LS2 402 with a big streetable cam and a double shot of spray on top. I'll only be spraying one stage with a 100 shot. I just want to have that extra hp on tap just in case. I just got my set of Trick Flow Specialties LS2 225cc heads, but may sell them if I can work out a deal with a guy with a lQ4 408 shortblock. I had no Idea what i was getting myself into. One thing I have learned is that the more parts your put on, the more there is to go wrong and more parts to break. But it sounds as though you've been doing your research, so if you've got the funds, go for the 454.
-99 WS6 Silver: Procharger P1SC, TR 224/227, LS6 Intake, Hooker LT's and ORY, Racetronix & more.
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-02 WS6 Kandy Copper: Torquer v2, LS6 intake, PS LT's & ORY, DMH, Racetronix, Bolt-ons & Suspension. Big Plans
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08-31-2009, 05:34 PM #50
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Wow 20K for all that. That's a lot of dough man!
I hope you got some good power out of it tho then it would make the fun to cost ratio rise
I figured since me and my 2 friends (one who is a master mechanic and builder of engines for years) work on the car that would save loads in labor. I've been doing research for literally months before i even posted the build sheet on here. Comparing numbers, testaments, reviews, flow, power, reliability etc and these list of parts is ultimately what i came up with. Hopefully, like you said, everything works and i don't have problems or failures. One reason why i went all out on some parts when obviously less superior ones would work just fine, is for reliability issues. I dont wanna cut corners and want to do everything right the first time and build as bulletproof a motor as possible.
We will see how it goes, im still compiling the list, im adding suspension and driveterrain then electronics will b last. Thanks for your input pal, the 402 will b really nice and im sure you'll have a blast with it when you get it and have it completed
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09-05-2009, 03:01 PM #51
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And I thought I had some $ into an engine. I spent $14k on a 454 bbc for my 67 that put it into the high 10's on engine and 9's with a 150 shot. My shop recently quoted me $12k for a 550hp ls1 they built that was not paid for, which the price included install and tune. Still more than I want to spend right now.
For me it seems that finding a used maggie would put me into the 11's and could be done for less than $4k if the right deal is found.
I thought of a 454lsx at 750hp for the street and another 250 shot for the track for this 02, but I'd have to get a rear end put in first and then some trans/clutch work, then a cage, then...basically another $20,000 I just don't have to spend right now.
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09-06-2009, 09:22 AM #52
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09-07-2009, 05:03 PM #53
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I love the guys at the shop that does my work, but when I decided to take my 01 C3 truck from sc to turbo, I was promised $10,000 and 3 months. Six months later and north of $20,000 I got the truck back. It lowered the track times by over a second, but in hindsight-lots of wasted $!!!!
I will say this. If there is something I have learned over the last 10 years and $100,000-Do it right the first time so it lives a long, healthy, safe and very fast life! Get the very best you can afford and don't get in a hurry and you'll save $ over the long haul!
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09-09-2009, 02:14 PM #54
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