have you ever heard of wood alcohol blindness?

[BOOSTD]

oh. the moderation argument. Dang I hadnt considered that argument.

oh wait yeah I have it goes something like this:

If I cook with a tablespoon of motor oil a day, I will die, but a teaspoon is just fine, and my quality of life goes up. and plus, motor oil has fewer calories than peanut oil.

that doesnt make sense because motor oil is toxic. maybe small amounts wont kill you, but there are *better tasting* and healthier substitutes. your QOL goes up by not using it.

so let me asses risk vs quality of life real quick. dont use aspartame, drinks taste better and I dont suffer strange health affects of formaldehyde in my body.

No brainer. People who drink the diet cokes have succumbed to marketing. thats all.

You might want to think a little more before you flame my posts again. Each CAN of soda contains arround 200 kilocalories (350 for a 12oz bottle). The average person requires arround 2000 kilocaleries a day. So in one soda, you have consumed 10% of your alloted daily intake. I hope your planning on drinking only one soda a day, because if your drinking three a day (thats a third of your daily requirements), you better be eating salads with low fat dressing.

Next, what sort of sugars are found in normal soda? Thats right, REFINED SUGARS. Monosaccharides with absolutly no vitamins or minerals in it. Do some research and you'll find that it is very detrimental to your body to digest these sugars because they require/deplete more resources than they replenish. Without proteins, vitamines and minerals present, these sugars can be incompletely metabolized, forming toxic metabolites. One of these metabolites is pyruvic acid, which interfeer with cellular resparation and ultimatly cause cell death.

Source: http://www.ghchealth.com/refined-sug...on-of-all.html

Also, these "natural" sugars can lead to obesity and all of its associated diseases (diabetes, heart disease, kidney failure, neuropaty, diabetic retnopathy, etc). You must be a lot different from me, but I'm willing to take a little formaldehyde in my body over obesity, diabetes, neuropathy, dabetic retnopathy, heart disease, kidney failure and death.

Now to give you some credit: I did read the links and I did my own research on the subject. I see the concern here and because of it, I will try to consume less of these artificial sweeteners. But, I am not going to jump from one evil to another and start drinking regular soda. So before you start sitting all high and mighty on your formaldehyde free ass, sit back and realize that trading one vice for another is as ignorant (if not more) than trying to moderate your life and assessing the risks that you take.

BOOSTD

[BIGRED Z]

Essentially, the fartherest away from the ground/tree/plant it grew on, the more hazardous to your health it is. This means all the frozen dinners in a box, artificial whatever, and the number one bad guy that's in everything, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP (HFCS).

Interestingly enough, just about the time food companies discovered HFCS as a cheaper way to sweeten thier product back in the 50's, is when America developed its obesity problem.

What kills me though are these billion dollar a year industries selling their frozen weight watcher meals, healthy choice meals, etc. that are all processed crap regardless of how much they manage to lower fat content and calories. They just fill it with un-pronouncable chemicals that are killing you just as much as the fat will. You might get skinny, but that means the cancer just kills you faster.

Lori

[Modulistic]

Now to give you some credit: I did read the links and I did my own research on the subject. I see the concern here and because of it, I will try to consume less of these artificial sweeteners. But, I am not going to jump from one evil to another and start drinking regular soda. So before you start sitting all high and mighty on your formaldehyde free ass, sit back and realize that trading one vice for another is as ignorant (if not more) than trying to moderate your life and assessing the risks that you take.

BOOSTD

My job is complete. Tallyho.

p.s. If I only ate 2000 calories a day, I would probably pass out around 3pm or so.

[Modulistic]

Essentially, the fartherest away from the ground/tree/plant it grew on, the more hazardous to your health it is. This means all the frozen dinners in a box, artificial whatever, and the number one bad guy that's in everything, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP (HFCS).

Interestingly enough, just about the time food companies discovered HFCS as a cheaper way to sweeten thier product back in the 50's, is when America developed its obesity problem.

What kills me though are these billion dollar a year industries selling their frozen weight watcher meals, healthy choice meals, etc. that are all processed crap regardless of how much they manage to lower fat content and calories. They just fill it with un-pronouncable chemicals that are killing you just as much as the fat will. You might get skinny, but that means the cancer just kills you faster.

Lori

im going to write a short story about some scientists who are working to create the perfect vitamin supplement. they take vitamin C and find that it doesnt absorb properly without its compliment of nutrients and sugars, so they add all that shit, and it doesnt move through the digestive system at the right speed so they add some fiber. Then they find that it wont absorb properly without the natural enzymes in the right balance.

in the end they have the perfect supplement.. a strawberry, and it costs 250,000 dollars to produce.

[BIGRED Z]

im going to write a short story about some scientists who are working to create the perfect vitamin supplement. they take vitamin C and find that it doesnt absorb properly without its compliment of nutrients and sugars, so they add all that shit, and it doesnt move through the digestive system at the right speed so they add some fiber. Then they find that it wont absorb properly without the natural enzymes in the right balance.

in the end they have the perfect supplement.. a strawberry, and it costs 250,000 dollars to produce.

Yes, now if we could get our strawberries without having them dipped, sprayed, and grown in chemicals...we'd be getting somewhere!

Lori<-------loves strawberries

[Modulistic]

oh, you can! imported from columbia and guatemala and chile, where they are SPRAYED WITH HUMAN FECES. (hepatitis A) makes em grow real good.

now here is a REAL verifiable health issue, and are the newspapers going crazy about that shit? no they are burning up the presses with bird flu.

bird flu is so retarded. why are they going apeshit over bird flu. less than 100 people have died from it TOTAL, and they all work directly with birds.

[BIGRED Z]

oh, you can! imported from columbia and guatemala and chile, where they are SPRAYED WITH HUMAN FECES. (hepatitis A) makes em grow real good.

now here is a REAL verifiable health issue, and are the newspapers going crazy about that shit? no they are burning up the presses with bird flu.

bird flu is so retarded. why are they going apeshit over bird flu. less than 100 people have died from it TOTAL, and they all work directly with birds.

Hmmm, wouldn't all that shit just attrtact more bugs? Flies love shit.

[BillyT]

the number one bad guy that's in everything, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP (HFCS).

Actually I believe the #1 bad guy is Trans Fat, often seen as Partially or Fully Hydrogenated Oils.

[BIGRED Z]

Actually I believe the #1 bad guy is Trans Fat, often seen as Partially or Fully Hydrogenated Oils.

Yeah, he's bad too, but relatively new on the block. HFCS has been around a lot longer, and it's arrival on the scene strongly correlates with America's stuggle with obesity and obesity related health problems, primarily diabetes, heart disease, etc. Unfortunately, it rarely gets bad press because the market is literally saturated with it. It's in everything. Check your labels. Then run away!

[Sassy Cassie]

You must be a lot different from me, but I'm willing to take a little formaldehyde in my body over obesity, diabetes, neuropathy, dabetic retnopathy, heart disease, kidney failure and death.

How about you drink a glass of water instead and avoid both?

[MarkuzLS1]

How about you drink a glass of water instead and avoid both?

I prefer beer...but they don't let me drink that at work.

[norm43a]

Aspartame, the artificial sweetner, is 10 percent methanol. Wood alcohol.


it wouldnt be here if it werent for Donald Rumsfeld. Thanks Donald, for the nasty tasting poisonous crap everyone eats. youre the greatest.

What you have quoted is suspect. Coca-Cola has been using Aspartame in it's diet drinks since the late 70s, early 80s. My brother used to work for Coke in their labs and mixed the syrup. He used to bring bags of the stuf home to use as a sugar substitute because he is a diabetic.

[Motrv8d Steve]

oh great, I just finished a diet coke. prolly gonna keel over and die now.

[whoa guy]

drink water.. chug the stuff.
drink beer.... chug the stuff.

goodbye.

[BIGRED Z]

Well, for the most part, unless you move to a remote area, set up shop, plant crops and live off the land...there's no avoiding something bad that's killed many before you and will kill many more after you.

Go organic, stop breathing, and drink only water, and you should be fine.

[BillyT]

Go organic, stop breathing, and drink only water, and you should be fine.

And touch NOTHING!!!!!!!!

[BIGRED Z]

And touch NOTHING!!!!!!!!

[stonebreaker]

Hoo boy, the level of myths and half-truths flying around is getting deep!

First off, I'm not a nutritional scientist. I'm a guy who lost 120 lbs and so I know what it takes to lose weight. I've kept 110 lbs of it off for 4 years, too.

OK, first the myth of "natural food". Just because something is unrefined doesn't necessarily make it better for you than the refined product. Many food products need a certain amount of refining in order to release their food value for our bodies' use. For example, how many of you guys like raw meat? Me personally, I prefer it treated with heat until medium rare. Cooking meat releases vitamins and breaks down proteins for faster assimilation. But moderation is the key - cooking meat until it's charred increases your risk of prostate cancer.

Somebody mentioned that "evaporated cane juice" was better for you than refined sugar. That's an example of someone falling for the myth that "refining is bad". Dried cane juice IS sugar, you moron!

All starches - wheat, corn, potatoes, rice, apples, carrots, etc. are actually long chains of sugars. All sugars, whether sucrose (table sugar), fructose, molasses, corn syrup, or whatever, get broken down in the body to glucose. Doesn't matter what it starts out as, it ends up as glucose. Got that? It ends up as glucose.

There is some truth to the generalization that foods in their natural state are better for you than refined foods, but not in the way that the hippies would have you believe. They've built up a folklore over the years that claims refined foods will ruin your health and shorten your life. Yet ALL serious athletes use highly refined supplements - amino acids, creatine, and vitamins, and they are the healthiest people on the planet. So what's the truth? The truth is that you can determine how good a particular carbohydrate is for you based on its glycemic index.

The glycemic index of a carb tells you how fast your body will assimilate that particular food. Glucose is set at 100. The lower the glycemic index of a food, the better it is for you. A low glycemic food creates a slow, steady supply of carbs that your body can easily handle. A high glycemic food just dumps its carb load all at once, causing your body to produce a shitload of insulin to deal with it and making your liver convert it to fat. Then you get hungry again.

Here's a graph from www.glycemicindex.com. It's peak values that do you in, not area under the curve.


Now, as for aspartame and all those other artificial sweeteners:

Everything has plusses and minuses. Saccharine causes cancer, but only when consumed in an amount equal to 20 cans of soda per day for 20 years. Aspartame can cause blindness, but you have to drink the equivalent of 30 cans of soda per day. Methanol (wood alcohol) is not a cumulative poison, your body can get rid of a reasonable amount per day with no ill effects. Any natural sugar consumed in excess will lead to obesity with all its attendent problems. It all boils down to moderation. You have to examine your lifestyle and your diet, and make your choice accordingly.

I went from 350 lbs in 2002 to 230 lbs in 2004. I know what I'm talking about.

[BillyT]

Hoo boy, the level of myths and half-truths flying around is getting deep!

First off, I'm not a nutritional scientist. I'm a guy who lost 120 lbs and so I know what it takes to lose weight. I've kept 110 lbs of it off for 4 years, too.

OK, first the myth of "natural food". Just because something is unrefined doesn't necessarily make it better for you than the refined product. Many food products need a certain amount of refining in order to release their food value for our bodies' use. For example, how many of you guys like raw meat? Me personally, I prefer it treated with heat until medium rare. Cooking meat releases vitamins and breaks down proteins for faster assimilation. But moderation is the key - cooking meat until it's charred increases your risk of prostate cancer.

Somebody mentioned that "evaporated cane juice" was better for you than refined sugar. That's an example of someone falling for the myth that "refining is bad". Dried cane juice IS sugar, you moron!

All starches - wheat, corn, potatoes, rice, apples, carrots, etc. are actually long chains of sugars. All sugars, whether sucrose (table sugar), fructose, molasses, corn syrup, or whatever, get broken down in the body to glucose. Doesn't matter what it starts out as, it ends up as glucose. Got that? It ends up as glucose.

There is some truth to the generalization that foods in their natural state are better for you than refined foods, but not in the way that the hippies would have you believe. They've built up a folklore over the years that claims refined foods will ruin your health and shorten your life. Yet ALL serious athletes use highly refined supplements - amino acids, creatine, and vitamins, and they are the healthiest people on the planet. So what's the truth? The truth is that you can determine how good a particular carbohydrate is for you based on its glycemic index.

The glycemic index of a carb tells you how fast your body will assimilate that particular food. Glucose is set at 100. The lower the glycemic index of a food, the better it is for you. A low glycemic food creates a slow, steady supply of carbs that your body can easily handle. A high glycemic food just dumps its carb load all at once, causing your body to produce a shitload of insulin to deal with it and making your liver convert it to fat. Then you get hungry again.

Here's a graph from www.glycemicindex.com. It's peak values that do you in, not area under the curve.


Now, as for aspartame and all those other artificial sweeteners:

Everything has plusses and minuses. Saccharine causes cancer, but only when consumed in an amount equal to 20 cans of soda per day for 20 years. Aspartame can cause blindness, but you have to drink the equivalent of 30 cans of soda per day. Methanol (wood alcohol) is not a cumulative poison, your body can get rid of a reasonable amount per day with no ill effects. Any natural sugar consumed in excess will lead to obesity with all its attendent problems. It all boils down to moderation. You have to examine your lifestyle and your diet, and make your choice accordingly.

I went from 350 lbs in 2002 to 230 lbs in 2004. I know what I'm talking about.

That's what I thought.
A lot of commons beliefs are myths and fads, like the cane juice thing.
Good info. Maybe next time you could try conveying it without name calling.

[Modulistic]

sorry, if anyone is spewing disinformation, it is you

In their investigation, the FDA 1975 Task Force reviewed a study done for Searle in 1969 by Dr. Harry Waisman, Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Wisconsin. The study involved feeding aspartame mixed with milk to seven infant monkeys. After 300 days, five monkeys had gran mal seizures and one died. Dr. Waisman died before all of his studies were completed. The Task Force uncovered that when Searle had submitted the Waisman study to the FDA, all the negative data had been omitted In their investigation, the FDA 1975 Task Force reviewed a study done for Searle in 1969 by Dr. Harry Waisman, Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Wisconsin. The study involved feeding aspartame mixed with milk to seven infant monkeys. After 300 days, five monkeys had gran mal seizures and one died. Dr. Waisman died before all of his studies were completed. The Task Force uncovered that when Searle had submitted the Waisman study to the FDA, all the negative data had been omitted