Lucas oil fuel treatment in LS1 engine?

**INMY01TA** · 01-08-2011, 07:37 PM

Good to know thanks. I've had this car 10 years and still learning new shit.

**GatorSS** · 01-09-2011, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Use 1oz of TCW3 per 5 gallons of gas. Lucas does not have the cleaning properties as the TCW3 has. TCW3 also has better lubrication properties.

Lucas Oil Stabilizer is just viscosity enhancers. Period. Does nothing else.
If your sump uses 6 quarts just substitute 1 quart of 20-50 and you gain much more benefits than Lucas Snake Oil. Virgin Oil Analysis doesn't bullshit>

Just trying to remember, isn't the Lucas UCL a product that Lucas bought from another company, rather than their own formulation like their other products?

I've never used that Lucas Oil Stabilizer for that very reason. But they sure have convinced a bunch of people (gullible people, I guess) to use it based on their little mini gear display at the counter of many auto parts stores. Snake oil with effective enough marketing will make $$, eh?

**GatorSS** · 01-09-2011, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Listen guys....I'll try and not preach here but give the short version. Ol FirebirdJones is right on the money...........

On Fuel Treatments. Todays fuel is some shitty stuff. Blame ethanol. We lost lead and that was the lubricant. Todays fuel...well....It is corrosive as hell. Attracts moisture like a water magnet.... You need a lubricant and a cleaner. Now ethanol has some cleaning properties.....but a good upper cylinder cleaner is a good thing. Lucas? Think about this for a second......how good is a product that you just "dump in" and really have no measuring required? Pretty damn sparse. Use TCW3 or MMO or nothing. I really like/have heard/seen thousands of folks who have been utilizing the TCW3 with great success.....I hate "shock" fuel treatments. SeaFoam is a shock treatment. You put that shit in your fuel and I wont. My gaskets/injectors/fuel pump thank me.

Oil additives? Well....if your running any SM or the latest SN oils you really are gaining absolutely nothing by adding anything to your oil. I use to like AutoRx but with the new standard "SN" I will be honest....I think any of the SN rated oils are better without it today. So I can no longer recommend AutoRx.

I will say there are motors out there (Toyota mainly) that just flat ass are sludgers.
If you have a sludger motor (piss poor PCV design usually) or you just bought a used car and don't know the maintenance record....I would prefer to see you run 20% Marvel Mystery Oil the last 1000 miles of your oil change interval at the least for a few OCI's. MMO is a gentle cleaner. Works great. I run it occasionally for an entire OCI. So if I have a 6qt sump....I would put in 5 quarts of my regular oil and substitute one quart of MMO.

Whoa! Thumbs down now on AutoRx? That's a big switch, ain't it? Isn't it an even gentler cleaner than MMO? Just wanting to make sure... you're more the expert on it than me.

**Too Fast** · 01-09-2011, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

Yep, if you have a 16 gallon tank that's close enough.

It's 1 ounce for every 5 gallons you pump in. So I measure and replenish as necessary at every fillup.

Just a little tip, if you get a little over zelous with it,,,you tend to leave a mild smoke trail, but you didn't hear it from me,,,lol.

You must've seen someone who put a bit too much in, eh? Couldn't have been you lol.

Anyway, should I be able to find the TCw3 at any auto parts place? Might go look for some soon.

**GatorSS** · 01-09-2011, 04:58 AM

Or go to WalMart for TCW3.

**Sarge** · 01-09-2011, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by GatorSS

Whoa! Thumbs down now on AutoRx? That's a big switch, ain't it? Isn't it an even gentler cleaner than MMO? Just wanting to make sure... you're more the expert on it than me.

As I said....todays new SN rated oils have so much cleaning add packs...it renders the AutoRX virtually a waste. I mean I still have plenty left in my garage and use 4oz maintenance doses....but after that is used up I will not replace the stash. AutoRX provided great cleaning abilities with older oils....but that is just not accurate anymore.

**GatorSS** · 01-09-2011, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge

As I said....todays new SN rated oils have so much cleaning add packs...it renders the AutoRX virtually a waste. I mean I still have plenty left in my garage and use 4oz maintenance doses....but after that is used up I will not replace the stash. AutoRX provided great cleaning abilities with older oils....but that is just not accurate anymore.

OK, I see. Like you, I still have plenty bottles of it and will continue with maintenance doses.

I didn't realize how good the new SN rated oils are. Great news.

**Cutlass** · 01-09-2011, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Too Fast

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You must've seen someone who put a bit too much in, eh? Couldn't have been you lol.

Anyway, should I be able to find the TCw3 at any auto parts place? Might go look for some soon.

Or boat places like West Marine, Bass Pro Shop, Gander Mountain, boat dealers, etc.

**Firebirdjones** · 01-09-2011, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Too Fast

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You must've seen someone who put a bit too much in, eh? Couldn't have been you lol.

Anyway, should I be able to find the TCw3 at any auto parts place? Might go look for some soon.

Ha, after several fillups of obviously not measuring accruately enough (I was rounding the amount to the greater), the car started to run like crap with a light dust of smoke

I knew what was happening.
After I ran a couple gallons out (fuel gauge started moving) I topped it off with gas again (no additive) and did that a couple of times. Cleared right up.

**Sarge** · 01-09-2011, 06:52 AM

Yup. There was (recently) a guy that put a gallon of Marvel Mystery Oil in his airplane fuel. Engine dies and so did he. Moral here is to measure it. Not hard to do.

**allbaugh_04** · 01-09-2011, 08:00 AM

Where can i get this marvel mystery oil? I have a dirty engine and my friend can get his hands on MOA so I'm gonna try that.

**mammoth713** · 01-09-2011, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Listen guys....I'll try and not preach here but give the short version. Ol FirebirdJones is right on the money...........

On Fuel Treatments. Todays fuel is some shitty stuff. Blame ethanol. We lost lead and that was the lubricant. Todays fuel...well....It is corrosive as hell. Attracts moisture like a water magnet.... You need a lubricant and a cleaner. Now ethanol has some cleaning properties.....but a good upper cylinder cleaner is a good thing. Lucas? Think about this for a second......how good is a product that you just "dump in" and really have no measuring required? Pretty damn sparse. Use TCW3 or MMO or nothing. I really like/have heard/seen thousands of folks who have been utilizing the TCW3 with great success.....I hate "shock" fuel treatments. SeaFoam is a shock treatment. You put that shit in your fuel and I wont. My gaskets/injectors/fuel pump thank me.

Oil additives? Well....if your running any SM or the latest SN oils you really are gaining absolutely nothing by adding anything to your oil. I use to like AutoRx but with the new standard "SN" I will be honest....I think any of the SN rated oils are better without it today. So I can no longer recommend AutoRx.

I will say there are motors out there (Toyota mainly) that just flat ass are sludgers.
If you have a sludger motor (piss poor PCV design usually) or you just bought a used car and don't know the maintenance record....I would prefer to see you run 20% Marvel Mystery Oil the last 1000 miles of your oil change interval at the least for a few OCI's. MMO is a gentle cleaner. Works great. I run it occasionally for an entire OCI. So if I have a 6qt sump....I would put in 5 quarts of my regular oil and substitute one quart of MMO.

can you provide me any sources on this? You seem to know a lot about oils/fuel treatments etc but I'd feel better seeing it in writing in addition to what you said before trying this.

**02transamce** · 01-09-2011, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by allbaugh_04

Where can i get this marvel mystery oil? I have a dirty engine and my friend can get his hands on MOA so I'm gonna try that.

any parts store or wal-mart.tcw3 16 oz bottle at wal-mart is $2.09.

**Sarge** · 01-09-2011, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by mammoth713

can you provide me any sources on this? You seem to know a lot about oils/fuel treatments etc but I'd feel better seeing it in writing in addition to what you said before trying this.

Any sources on what part?

**mammoth713** · 01-09-2011, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge

Any sources on what part?

pertaining to using 1 oz of 2 cycle TCW-3 per gallon of gas and it working as a good fuel system cleaner

**Sarge** · 01-09-2011, 01:23 PM

Sure.....I see Timmy Vipond is solicitiing some help huh ....LOL.....
Best place for you to start is the beggining....
http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91206

**Sarge** · 01-09-2011, 01:53 PM

And if you put in any creedence into what a top Amsoil jobber in the country or a moderator at BITOG has to say about using TCW3 in their gas....you dont have to read very far here....
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...91#Post1573591

**02transamce** · 01-09-2011, 05:22 PM

i started using the tc3w in my 05 monte carlo ss,my fuel pump is now quiet again and i got 29 mpg on a recent trip to Panama City Beach, FL,180 miles one way from my house

**Cutlass** · 01-09-2011, 05:33 PM

If the world was made up of 2 stroke engines, it would be a better place. And, no I'm not talking about the old smokey 2 strokes, I'm talking about the modern clean 2 strokes. Superior design to 4 strokes IMHO.

**Smittro** · 01-09-2011, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Cutlass

If the world was made up of 2 stroke engines, it would be a better place. And, no I'm not talking about the old smokey 2 strokes, I'm talking about the modern clean 2 strokes. Superior design to 4 strokes IMHO.

sorry cutlass..