f-body lovers, i think this is new thread worthy,

**tatertot91** · 11-06-2009, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

Please do not post an opinion on that which you know nothing about. "Split Bumper" option (properly referred to as the RS option for early 2nd gens) was available on any model from 70 thru the 73 MY.

People trying to out smart your camaro wisdom again?

**67CamaroRSSS** · 11-06-2009, 06:38 PM

Sorry guys I don't mean to seem like an ass but these cars (especially 1st gens) are my passion and I hate to see folks get their facts wrong.

**67CamaroRSSS** · 11-06-2009, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by tatertot91

People trying to out smart your camaro wisdom again?

Apparently...

**justinmc978** · 11-06-2009, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

No, not too bad. At least you can tell it's a Camaro 2 out of 3 times....

And at least you didn't post that RS was only available in 71MY.

i know a little better than that

, also i'm really more into firebirds than maros anyways

**67CamaroRSSS** · 11-06-2009, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by justinmc978

wrong.

Kudos to you! This really was separate thread worthy. I like the vid too.

**justinmc978** · 11-06-2009, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

Kudos to you! This really was separate thread worthy. I like the vid too.

thankyathankya always trying to bring it to my people

**67CamaroRSSS** · 11-06-2009, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by justinmc978

i know a little better than that

, also i'm really more into firebirds than maros anyways

Did you know that the 67 Firebird didn't debut until Jan 67? They (meaning John DeLorean, head of Pontiac at the time) got on board late and had to play catchup with Chevrolet.

And did they ever get onboard. My 2002 is modded and runs mid 12's but I had my ass handed to me last month by a (stock looking) 68 RAII 400 vert during a monthly cruise. I got him to pull over and while we talked he revealed that his car wasn't as stock as he let on. Still had cast iron exhaust, intake and a reworked Rochester. FYI: 400 cid RAII engines has the round exhaust ports. 370 hp my ass... more like 420-430.

**justinmc978** · 11-06-2009, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

Did you know that the 67 Firebird didn't debut until Jan 67? They (meaning John DeLorean, head of Pontiac at the time) got on board late and had to play catchup with Chevrolet.

and that it didnt go on sale until feb 23rd yes? i know it was a poser car but i just like it best, my favorite is the 68 with side markers and no side flappy windows, i'd kill for a vert with a 400/4speed

i did a book report on them in 5th grade or something... that grew into an interest that grew into a passion

**67CamaroRSSS** · 11-06-2009, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by justinmc978

and that it didnt go on sale until feb 23rd yes? i know it was a poser car but i just like it best, my favorite is the 68 with side markers and no side flappy windows, i'd kill for a vert with a 400/4speed

See what I added above your post. His car had an M20 and 3.73 gears. And his car also had the Ram Air hood...

**justinmc978** · 11-06-2009, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

Did you know that the 67 Firebird didn't debut until Jan 67? They (meaning John DeLorean, head of Pontiac at the time) got on board late and had to play catchup with Chevrolet.

And did they ever get onboard. My 2002 is modded and runs mid 12's but I had my ass handed to me last month by a (stock looking) 68 RAII 400 vert during a monthly cruise. I got him to pull over and while we talked he revealed that his car wasn't as stock as he let on. Still had cast iron exhaust, intake and a reworked Rochester. FYI: 400 cid RAII engines has the round exhaust ports. 370 hp my ass... more like 420-430.

yeah thats pretty much what i want, but 400HO

cause that goes faster than a 68 396ss too

dont care about ramair as much but it does look cool, i think HO has to have the ramair hood so winwin

**wheeliE-maxx** · 11-06-2009, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

Did you know that the 67 Firebird didn't debut until Jan 67? They (meaning John DeLorean, head of Pontiac at the time) got on board late and had to play catchup with Chevrolet.

And did they ever get onboard. My 2002 is modded and runs mid 12's but I had my ass handed to me last month by a (stock looking) 68 RAII 400 vert during a monthly cruise. I got him to pull over and while we talked he revealed that his car wasn't as stock as he let on. Still had cast iron exhaust, intake and a reworked Rochester. FYI: 400 cid RAII engines has the round exhaust ports. 370 hp my ass... more like 420-430.

That ram air 2 engine may have been underated, but damn, 445 gross lb/ft of torque will atleast get off the line well even if it didn't make more than the factory rated horsepower ya know?

**67CamaroRSSS** · 11-06-2009, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by wheeliE-maxx

That ram air 2 engine may have been underated, but damn, 445 gross lb/ft of torque will atleast get off the line well even if it didn't make more than the factory rated horsepower ya know?

IMHO it (RAII) made much more horsepower and torque than they let on. Back in the day GM had a "No more than 10hp/100 lbs edict" for their smaller cars. This equal a max 370hp for a 3700lb car (which is about what a fully equiped BBC 1st gen weighs). Hence the "370hp/400" and "375hp/396" and no 427's till 69 (in the Camaro) when they made them only to homologate them for racing in the NHRA.

**justinmc978** · 11-06-2009, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

IMHO it (RAII) made much more horsepower and torque than they let on. Back in the day GM had a "No more than 10hp/100 lbs edict" for their smaller cars. This equal a max 370hp for a 3700lb car (which is about what a fully equiped BBC 1st gen weighs). Hence the "370hp/400" and "375hp/396" and no 427's till 69 (in the Camaro) when they made them only to homologate them for racing in the NHRA.

also worth noting is on top of the no more than 10hp/100lbs rule no motor could be bigger than 400ci in the smaller cars as well

**wheeliE-maxx** · 11-06-2009, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

IMHO it (RAII) made much more horsepower and torque than they let on. Back in the day GM had a "No more than 10hp/100 lbs edict" for their smaller cars. This equal a max 370hp for a 3700lb car (which is about what a fully equiped BBC 1st gen weighs). Hence the "370hp/400" and "375hp/396" and no 427's till 69 (in the Camaro) when they made them only to homologate them for racing in the NHRA.

Well it says on wikipedia (very credible

) that they put a restrictor in the ram air 2 f-body cars. Which might be why it's seemingly underrated, everyone quickly fixed the throttle restriction

**67CamaroRSSS** · 11-06-2009, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by wheeliE-maxx

Well it says on wikipedia (very credible

) that they put a restrictor in the ram air 2 f-body cars. Which might be why it's seemingly underrated, everyone quickly fixed the throttle restriction

They are correct. Just straighten out the throttle rod and you'd get full throttle. I recall this from back in the day.

For those that don't know: 1st gens had a rod that went from the carb bellcrank to a flat lever the was actuated by depressing the pedal to get the car to accelerate. Different engines (BBC vs SBC vs I6) used different rods and levers. In 1970 they went to a throttle cable similar to what our 4th gens have.

**justinmc978** · 11-06-2009, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

They are correct. Just straighten out the throttle rod and you'd get full throttle. I recall this from back in the day.

i guess whille i have you here, i know in the '70maro, the 396 was really 402, is that the first year it was bored to that width or..

the internet takes too long to find this stuff out

**wheeliE-maxx** · 11-06-2009, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by justinmc978

i guess whille i have you here, i know in the '70maro, the 396 was really 402, is that the first year it was bored to that width or..

Yes, same goes for trucks which is why I know that. Was called a 400 for trucks however

**67CamaroRSSS** · 11-06-2009, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by justinmc978

i guess whille i have you here, i know in the '70maro, the 396 was really 402, is that the first year it was bored to that width or..

the internet takes too long to find this stuff out

The 396 has a bore of 4.094 which in 1970 was increased to 4.125 (overbored .031") in 1970 to help with the emmissions requirements. This was the 1st year they did this. It last till the last BB (for Camaro) in 1972. They continued to call it a 396 because they had already invested quite a bit in the particular nomenclature (SS396) over the years.

**67CamaroRSSS** · 11-06-2009, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by wheeliE-maxx

Yes, same goes for trucks which is why I know that. Was called a 400 for trucks however

IIRC, the "400" used in the trucks (and later in A and B body cars) was a SBC 400. 1st year for the SBC 400cid was 1970. It was never used in a Camaro.

I may be wrong though.

**Smittro** · 11-06-2009, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by 67CamaroRSSS

IIRC, the "400" used in the trucks (and later in A and B body cars) was a SBC 400. 1st year for the SBC 400cid was 1970. It was never used in a Camaro.

I may be wrong though.

I think you're right the 400 sbc was only used in trucks. Was a good engine but the block was limited in what could be done to its bore..