Obama to regulate?

[ibanez7]

it is rocket science to a degree. HP is not the only factor in mpg necessarily. Drag coefficients and weight play just as much as power into the equation. Are you willing to pay $70k for a 110HP 2 seater that gets 60mpg or would you pay that $70k for a z06 that gets 25mpg? We can't lay all the blame on the auto makers. They weren't the people buying the 2 ton SUV tanks the last 10-15 years.....the public demanded it so they supplied it. How many supersize imported SUV's are out there? Not many really yet I see tons of those things on the roads. The people wanted them so the big 3 made them. Then when the gas prices went up it was the big 3's fault for building them all of the sudden. It's like the parent of a fat kid that blames the candy makers.

exactly!

[blackcar]

It's like the parent of a fat kid that blames the candy makers.

That has got to be one of my favorite quotes.

[clg82]

just another way that get democrats and obama closer to a socialist government and blinded dictatorship. Control the companies and pass the costs to the consumers, while claiming its better for the people and the planet.

So are you suggesting that the government have no control over all of these companies that can't control themselves?

[rbob93]

Reducing emissions & our dependency on oil.....yeah, definite move towards socialism.

[ibanez7]

So are you suggesting that the government have no control over all of these companies that can't control themselves?

yes..... this is supposed to be a country of freedom...

-government already tax's you, without your say of what the money is used for. (what happend to no taxation without representation)

-now the government will have a indirect way of controlling the type of vehicle you drive. (especially if a government owned company buys out gm, as it is rumored)

doesnt sound much like freedom, sounds more like a socialist government.
Our government should have let the banks fail and let auto makers file bankruptcy.

The only time the government is supposed to step in is: broken labor laws, extortion and monopolies, otherwise it is up to the company to make successful decisions and or fail.

[0rion]

I'm gonna leave this thread alone.....it gets me too worked up over something I have no control over.
I will say that I don't believe it's the governments job to regulate anything. Anything the federal govt. touches instantly turns to shit. They can't regulate themselves much less anyone else. Big govt. is exactly the opposite of what we need. I do believe in free enterprise and if a business sucks it should go out of business but in the case of the big 3 the federal govt. is helping those guys go out of business. The market right now will dictate what mpg is suitable for people. We don't need the govt. setting these high ass standards that will force the auto companies out of business. It almost feels like the federal govt. hopes these guys will go under so they can take control of them. How would you like the govt. to tell you what car to buy because that's only a hop, skip, and jump from where we're at with these cafe regulations. Ok, I'm done with this thread.

[clg82]

yes..... this is supposed to be a country of freedom...

-government already tax's you, without your say of what the money is used for. (what happend to no taxation without representation)

-now the government will have a indirect way of controlling the type of vehicle you drive. (especially if a government owned company buys out gm, as it is rumored)

doesnt sound much like freedom, sounds more like a socialist government.
Our government should have let the banks fail and let auto makers file bankruptcy.

The only time the government is supposed to step in is: broken labor laws, extortion and monopolies, otherwise it is up to the company to make successful decisions and or fail.

I totally agree with everything you said.......so we shouldn't have police and laws because we are a free country.......so then we can go as fast as we want to go on the roads, do whatever we want etc etc etc.........?

[clg82]

I'm gonna leave this thread alone.....it gets me too worked up over something I have no control over.
I will say that I don't believe it's the governments job to regulate anything. Anything the federal govt. touches instantly turns to shit. They can't regulate themselves much less anyone else. Big govt. is exactly the opposite of what we need. I do believe in free enterprise and if a business sucks it should go out of business but in the case of the big 3 the federal govt. is helping those guys go out of business. The market right now will dictate what mpg is suitable for people. We don't need the govt. setting these high ass standards that will force the auto companies out of business. It almost feels like the federal govt. hopes these guys will go under so they can take control of them. How would you like the govt. to tell you what car to buy because that's only a hop, skip, and jump from where we're at with these cafe regulations. Ok, I'm done with this thread.

Orion, you had me at hello................

[INMY01TA]

I totally agree with everything you said.......so we shouldn't have police and laws because we are a free country.......so then we can go as fast as we want to go on the roads, do whatever we want etc etc etc.........?

Ohh I see, you're from California. Prime example of what liberals can do once in power.

[clg82]

Ohh I see, you're from California. Prime example of what liberals can do once in power.

LOL not originally from California, but I hate this state just as much as the next guy. I was just simply asking what about the laws we have in place to stop murders, should we remove those just because we don't like government regulation?

[gwballin]

I totally agree with everything you said.......so we shouldn't have police and laws because we are a free country.......so then we can go as fast as we want to go on the roads, do whatever we want etc etc etc.........?

You, sir, are confusing freedom with anarchy. There is a difference that you are failing to appreciate.

[INMY01TA]

LOL not originally from California, but I hate this state just as much as the next guy. I was just simply asking what about the laws we have in place to stop murders, should we remove those just because we don't like government regulation?

Heh. Md isn't much better. We already have laws on the books to deal with murderers and criminals, lets just just enforce those laws.

[clg82]

You, sir, are confusing freedom with anarchy. There is a difference that you are failing to appreciate.

Now i'm totally confused. You think that the government should not manipulate the economy, buy out dealerships, and help banks. But you think that they should regulate the speed limits?

[gwballin]

Now i'm totally confused. You think that the government should not manipulate the economy, buy out dealerships, and help banks. But you think that they should regulate the speed limits?

I made no mention of speed limits.

[Justin23454]

Newer GTO is ugly /thread

[KahanaReef]

Ohh I see, you're from California. Prime example of what liberals can do once in power.

Hey now! Don't bunch us all up in the same category!

We're not all Liberal Freaks just so ya know

[Sarge]

Classy but not the "modern muscle car" look. It's still a 4 door mommie grocery getter.......imo.......same with the g8........was the gto before the last version in the old days ever a four door car?

Huh? You even know what in the hell your talking about? 4 Doors? Not modern muscle car? Why do all the Chargers/Challengers/Vettes slink down in their seats when I pull my GTO up next to them then?

[Sarge]

Hey now! Don't bunch us all up in the same category!

We're not all Liberal Freaks just so ya know

Word. Santa Clarita isn't exactly "liberal" country now is it

[KahanaReef]

Word. Santa Clarita isn't exactly "liberal" country now is it

Stevenson Ranch might be

[Sarge]

Not Miramonte