Is a lid and filter worth it?

**INeedLS1** · 05-29-2007, 01:04 PM

You can't feel it!! Now what? I never said you personally did or did not feel anything, I'm just saying that I didn't.

**2000T/A Guru** · 05-29-2007, 01:17 PM

I even felt more power when i put a cold air intake and throttle body spacer on my GMC Jimmy lol.

**mr.5.7** · 05-29-2007, 03:51 PM

i did a lid bellow and free ramair to my car today in i relly feel it

**Kyle C** · 05-29-2007, 03:59 PM

I did gain 30rwhp with the addition of the SLP lid, Hooker Catback and TB bypass so I think the lid is worth doing. As for filters, I did several dyno pulls comparing no filter and a new Fran paper filter and the results showed no difference. I don't think the K&N would flow any better than no filter at all so I'll stick with the paper.

**sharptransam** · 05-29-2007, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by secondgearscratch

the benefit to an aftermarket lid is because the stock one has pointless baffling inside and makes it obstruct flow.

GET ONE!

Not quite Useless. You see, there's us (the enthusiasts) who'll sit on a milk crate and rip everything out of the car to make it a little bit faster, and there's normal drivers who might want just a 'quick car'. there are more of those people and GM had to appeal to the majority. the baffles are to make it quieter as air whirls through it. this lowers performance but it keeps teenage girls from going 'daddy, the car's broke. it's making a funny noise'. If you're on this site, you want a aftermarket lid. it's for power. It's not going to make your car outrun everything, but it helps.

**sharptransam** · 05-29-2007, 04:02 PM

Anyone go for that smooth bellow crap? $65? Kinda steep isn't it?

**sharptransam** · 05-29-2007, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by mr.5.7

i did a lid bellow and free ramair to my car today in i relly feel it

I did that too the other day! where did you find your info to do it? I kinda followed installuniversity. how much of the shroud did you cut off? I just took a little bit. I wonder if you can rip that cover out completely? Definitely want to make sure your filter's on tight though!

**mr.5.7** · 05-29-2007, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by sharptransam

I did that too the other day! where did you find your info to do it? I kinda followed installuniversity. how much of the shroud did you cut off? I just took a little bit. I wonder if you can rip that cover out completely? Definitely want to make sure your filter's on tight though!

i had the guys at MTI do it for me they are in houston
he cut both trays i think took my lid off in now i cant git it back on right well if you try it off let us know how it gose

**ta586** · 05-30-2007, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Hurley711

Lid is one of the first mods that should be done along with SFC. A lid will net you 8-10 RWHP, get whichever is the cehapest they all flow within a few ponies of each other

What is a SFC?

**2000T/A Guru** · 05-30-2007, 02:54 PM

SFC= sub frame connectors, they bolt or weld onto the bottom or your car, stiffen the frame, get power to the ground better and if you have T-Tops make them rattle less.

**Outlaw40** · 05-30-2007, 05:20 PM

should be more than 15 shouldent it?

**Kup98ss** · 05-30-2007, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Outlaw40

should be more than 15 shouldent it?

15-17hp at flywheel
8-10 rwhp.

Or so I have heard.

**Outlaw40** · 05-30-2007, 06:45 PM

ok, thanks, i was hoping for more, i was gonna buy the SLP or Volant box and Magnaflow cat back, was hoping for 20-25 from both combined, o well i guess i'll just have to do the NOS EFI kit as well

**Player87** · 05-31-2007, 12:30 AM

hi, i have a question.
I want to have a little bit more power for my Trans Am

do these parts make sense in an 1998 Trans Am LS1. I give different chices and you tell me which is the best.

1.) 2 Parts
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

2.) 1 Part
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

which should I buy? or is the second just a combination of the first?
THX

**Mecinoid** · 05-31-2007, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Kup98ss

Now I've heard that a K&N filter in some cases is worse than a paper filter. Has any body ever heard that?

I know this is a common topic but most people just say GET ONE and never say much about their experiences with them.

If you over oil the K & N and oil/dust build up on the maF the paper filtered car will beat it.

Just lightly oil your MaF and clean the wires with electrical contact cleaner every so often and you'll be in good shape.

Upgrade to a Vette Filter and get a larger filter so it stays cleaner longer too. Add FTRA and seal it, screen it and your set.

**Mecinoid** · 05-31-2007, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by sharptransam

Anyone go for that smooth bellow crap? $65? Kinda steep isn't it?

You can got to LOWE's and get basically the same thing for $5. I bought the smooth bellow back a few years back and it cost $28

**1TA LS1** · 05-31-2007, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Outlaw40

ok, thanks, i was hoping for more, i was gonna buy the SLP or Volant box and Magnaflow cat back, was hoping for 20-25 from both combined, o well i guess i'll just have to do the NOS EFI kit as well

Speaking of Volant, does anyone have this or heard any feedback? I was debating over the SLP and the Volant intake. I kinda like the look to it and it seems like it would draw in more air than the SLP lid.

FYI-pacesetters are going in next week

**Outlaw40** · 05-31-2007, 12:11 PM

i like the look of it, but dont know if $300 is worth it, if someone could show me that it made like another 5 or more horsepower then i would buy it. they say it works better on ram air cars because the two air intakes are right at the openings, but i have the formula so i'm not too sure if it's any better than a SPL lid

**1TA LS1** · 05-31-2007, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Outlaw40

i like the look of it, but dont know if $300 is worth it, if someone could show me that it made like another 5 or more horsepower then i would buy it. they say it works better on ram air cars because the two air intakes are right at the openings, but i have the formula so i'm not too sure if it's any better than a SPL lid

Exactlly... $300 is pretty pricey, comapred to the SLP intake kit. But if it prodcues better reponse and more HP, I'll put down the extra $$ to get that.

I wonder if the free ram-air mod would work on that?