I have to state this (Not bullshit)

**whitelightnin99** · 01-23-2007, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by 56car

Sorry, but I have to disagree with buying American Made solely to support the US. I have owned an S-10, and would never put up with another piece of crap like it. Since then I have owned a toyota tacoma and had not one problem, get better milage, and it doesn't rattle and sound like it will fall apart.
Buying American to support overpaid lazy Union workers is stupid. When American car companies pull their heads out off their asses, design modern efficient and RELIABLE long-lasting vehicles, I will then put my trust back in them.

I am a diehard Chevy Guy, but I am also not blind and stupid. Our vehicles on the west coast last a long time, so resale value, and long-lasting reliability means something.

Look at resale values. Need I say more?

I hope it changes, but until it does, I don't want headaches.

I have to agree with you 110%, i also drive a 2003 Tacoma and have a 1990 4x4 22RE (with almost 300K miles on it) and neither have ever given me any problems whatsoever and hold their value better than most. I love the USA but i buy my vehicles for what suits me and Toyota is tough to beat for reliability and resale value. Ive always been a GM guy but after buying my 1990 4x4 im sold on Toyota

**SSTODD** · 01-23-2007, 07:03 AM

Be aware that the foreign companies are also in and looking in mexico so just like the midwest do not assume you are safe from a company heading for the cheap labor and closing your factories. They owe everyone less than any U.S. manufacturer. Everyone can see what content is in the vehicle or where it was built if they are interested but most do not care. I have said several times I do not support korea or mexico built from anyone!

**SSTODD** · 01-23-2007, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by whitelightnin99

I have to agree with you 110%, i also drive a 2003 Tacoma and have a 1990 4x4 22RE (with almost 300K miles on it) and neither have ever given me any problems whatsoever and hold their value better than most. I love the USA but i buy my vehicles for what suits me and Toyota is tough to beat for reliability and resale value. Ive always been a GM guy but after buying my 1990 4x4 im sold on Toyota

My brother has the same stories but with 3 G.M. vehicles so again the Americans get the bad reputation and the foreign can just do no wrong. ponderous man, ponderous.

**whitelightnin99** · 01-23-2007, 07:17 AM

oh yeah ive had great luck with GM vehicles too but after bad mouthing foreign trucks for so long i shut my mouth after owning one

**charliebrown1321** · 01-23-2007, 01:57 PM

I find myself saying this quite a bit but to all of us who drive a camaro or trans am and are bitching about imports....

YOUR CAR WAS MADE IN CANADA!

That is all.

**bmyers** · 01-23-2007, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by charliebrown1321

I find myself saying this quite a bit but to all of us who drive a camaro or trans am and are bitching about imports....

YOUR CAR WAS MADE IN CANADA!

That is all.

your an idiot

**SLIM_DURST** · 01-23-2007, 02:15 PM

even tho there are lotsa forin car makers on our soil, i still am a GM guy all the way. it's because I think they are my favorite cars. I would by a honda or a nissan over a Ford though. I don't like being lied to and Ford had been a bunch of liars for years, with the last straw being the firestone tire thing, which they knew about and didnt care. fuck them.

**pecha** · 01-23-2007, 04:45 PM

so what is better:
1. supporting the American auto manufacturer and buying a car made in some other country?
or
2. buying a Japanese car built in America?
to me option 1 is supporting American fatasses from a corporate office while option 2 is supporting the American workers. I don't give a crap about supporting some rich guy who owns a factory. I care about guys like me who work here. So what should I buy?

**Tyler_LS1** · 01-23-2007, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by FASTSS

What GM engine was it based off of?

im not quite sure, il try to get more info on it.

the intakes were very similar looking to GM design almost exact.

They had the first one made at the portland auto show and that is where i found out about it.

**SSTODD** · 01-24-2007, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by charliebrown1321

I find myself saying this quite a bit but to all of us who drive a camaro or trans am and are bitching about imports....

YOUR CAR WAS MADE IN CANADA!

That is all.

Canada is in north america and is not paid mexican or korean wages but American wages. The content is 90% American and it is not owned by foreign companys and their governments who do everything to help their cause and block the american export of anything but food that they need from us. Your hero bill clinton made mexico, canada, and U.S. all equal so canada is not an import anyway you slice it. It needs to come across the water from somewhere else to be an import. They moved in down south to avoid the (import) label.

**charliebrown1321** · 01-24-2007, 06:46 AM

It needs to come across the water from somewhere else to be an import. They moved in down south to avoid the (import) label.
Yesterday 09:11 PM

im·port /v. ɪmˈpɔrt, -ˈpoʊrt; n. ˈɪmpɔrt, -poʊrt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. im-pawrt, -pohrt; n. im-pawrt, -pohrt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to bring in (merchandise, commodities, workers, etc.) from a foreign country for use, sale, processing, reexport, or services.
2. to bring or introduce from one use, connection, or relation into another: foreign bodies imported into the blood; foodstuffs imported from the farm.
3. to convey as meaning or implication; signify: Her words imported a change of attitude.
4. to involve as a necessary circumstance; imply: Religion imports belief.
5. Computers. to bring (documents, data, etc.) into one application program from another.
6. Archaic. to be of consequence or importance to; concern.
–verb (used without object)
7. to be of consequence or importance; matter.
–noun
8. something that is imported from abroad; an imported commodity or article.
9. the act of importing or bringing in; importation, as of goods from abroad: the import of foreign cars.
10. consequence or importance: matters of great import.
11. meaning; implication; purport: He felt the import of her words.

You should re-read number 1 as it is the applicable choice. As far as I know, Canada is still a foreign country, unless I missed the vote to make it a state.

P.S. Bmyers, Its so refreshing to see someone who can express themselves so intelligently

**SSTODD** · 01-24-2007, 07:12 AM

You missed the vote, it was called NAFTA when clinton was president. As you are young you may have missed the NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT. The company that built the camaro is G.M. from the U.S.A. The original post was not about import as much as foreign support instead of american support on our soil. The only cars listed as imports are the AVEO and the G.T.O. which has stopped production.

**charliebrown1321** · 01-24-2007, 08:04 AM

I didn't miss anything, just because you can trade freely doesn't mean it isn't still by english definition an import (NAFTA definition is not what we're discussing, as you pointed out.)

The original post was not about import as much as foreign support instead of american support on our soil.

I would rather see american laborers with jobs and foreign big wigs over them, then canadian laborers (or laborers in any other country) with American big wigs over them who will funnel all the money through off shore tax shelters, and non-profit scams to make sure no american but themselves see a dime of the profits. In option A at least many hard working americans see money, in option B the only american seeing a gain is a blue blood with more money then they could ever find a use for.

**SSTODD** · 01-24-2007, 08:19 AM

English or not, no vehicle made in canada,mexico or the U.S.A. is ever classified as an import by the automotive news or any other automotive authority. It is a global economy and the dictionary has not caught up yet. So when all you keep supporting the asians who obviously never want to be rich kill off our industry, then the asians will spread all the wealth to all the people and not keep profits for themselves. Wow with all that anti-american company stuff at 22 years old our future is going to be great.

**440 rwhp trans am** · 01-24-2007, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by blackSS01

I understand people can do what they want with their money regardless of what anyone says but come on people. Why in the hell would someone want to buy a Titan or for that matter a Tundra. Our economy is hurting compared to some years, why kill it more with buying a import. Lets see, the best engine EVER DESIGNED is the GM 350 (universal, parts are cheap, parts easy to find, reliable, etc...) I can't stand Ford or Dodge, but you can bet your ass I would buy one of them in a heart beat over an import. Someone must have to clue me in, because I just don't get it.

first off the chevy 350 is not the best engine ever built. second if you buy a car that gets 16mpg vs. a import that is made here in the usa that gets 38mpg. wouldnt you give more money away buy buying gas from the indians?

**blackSS01** · 01-24-2007, 08:38 AM

Tell me a motor, that has more applications, can withstand as much abuse, has cheaper parts, has so many parts availible, and is more readily found then a GM 350.

**SSTODD** · 01-24-2007, 08:43 AM

What do the cleveland indians have to do with this?

**440 rwhp trans am** · 01-24-2007, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by blackSS01

Tell me a motor, that has more applications, can withstand as much abuse, has cheaper parts, has so many parts availible, and is more readily found then a GM 350.

a v8? or 6 or 4?

**SSTODD** · 01-24-2007, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by 440 rwhp trans am

first off the chevy 350 is not the best engine ever built. second if you buy a car that gets 16mpg vs. a import that is made here in the usa that gets 38mpg. wouldnt you give more money away buy buying gas from the indians?

What are you saying? That only asian cars get good mpg and america sucks again. All the hybrids bogus mpg is being corrected with new tests and almost every G.M. car gets 30+ on the highway. Even our LS1 vettes and camaros get 30 with 6-speeds.

**SSTODD** · 01-24-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by charliebrown1321

I didn't miss anything, just because you can trade freely doesn't mean it isn't still by english definition an import (NAFTA definition is not what we're discussing, as you pointed out.)

I would rather see american laborers with jobs and foreign big wigs over them, then canadian laborers (or laborers in any other country) with American big wigs over them who will funnel all the money through off shore tax shelters, and non-profit scams to make sure no american but themselves see a dime of the profits. In option A at least many hard working americans see money, in option B the only american seeing a gain is a blue blood with more money then they could ever find a use for.

The same big wigs that gave every american auto worker the pension and healthcare that was the envy of eveyone in the country because the worker was normally only highschool educated and had coverage for the spouse as well until death. Those capitalist pig bastards, I will wait to see what the beloved asians do for the worker before calling out the americans.