04 Mach 1 vs 02 ZO6

**Mach1Mustang** · 11-08-2006, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by breakparts

mach1 mustang WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ....your rear gear being a 410 makes it weaker....not stronger....so you meant to say your gears are lower....right

yes, my rear gear is stronger, meaning it pulls harder adn stronger.
a mach 1 with 8lbs makes more power than an 03 cobra.

**breakparts** · 11-08-2006, 10:54 AM

So What Makes Your Gears Stronger---i Have Run 410 's Before And If You Count The Teeth On 410 There Are More Teeth And Less Metal Material-----= Weaker Gears----ive Broke 2 Sets Of 410 's And 1 Set Of 373's...and A Stock 342 Setup Has Lasted The Longest-----??????? I Give You The Fact They Pull Harder...but Think Logically-less Material Means -weaker

**Roastem** · 11-09-2006, 04:58 AM

Depends on which brand gear you get. Some are higher quality than others. They are usually twice as expensive.

**Spaz** · 11-09-2006, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Mach1Mustang

ok considering the fact that the zo6 puts down around 350-360 and about the same with tq why is it hard to believe the race.

with out a tune a z06 puts down 360 or so hp with a tune 380 - 395 rwhp...

mine is tuned and i just have a lid and exhaust...

**breakparts** · 11-09-2006, 09:00 AM

i never considered paying 500 to 600 dollars for those pro street gears...plus they dont make em for the 7.5 gm 10 bolt.....if we used these gears that were indestructable in our camaros they would still break from all our pinion deflection

**Roastem** · 11-09-2006, 09:15 AM

Prolly, a 10 bolt doesn't have the engineering that is needed for high TQ needs. You ever seen a mustang do a GM 10 bolt swap? I think the GT's all came with 8.8 rear diff's, and don't have the power to back it up. Then you have the monster LS1, and you plant a weenie 7.5 inch rear?

Jesus, finally give us an engine that is practically flawless, THEN give us a POS rear end that is more brittle that a Ford manager's career.

**breakparts** · 11-09-2006, 09:19 AM

but if gm-created a 12 bolt they would get alot of money, especially if there as cheap as the new gm performance parts coming out lately, they could do it but then moser and strange wouldnt be able to make 2500 dollars off of us f-body guys........

**Roastem** · 11-09-2006, 09:37 AM

2500 bones just for a mod that makes your car SLOWER, but more reliable?

I just can't justify dropping that kind of cash for the benefits.

I took mine down the track about 5 times on the 7.5 inch rear, not to mention the street abuse I usually put on her. It is still fine, but I did upgrade to like a $400 set of 4.10's.

If you don't take it to the track on a regular basis, it should be fine. I don't plan on swapping mine out any time soon.

If I make her a track whore, then I will prolly upgrade her p*ssy.

**BlueByU-SS** · 11-11-2006, 11:39 AM

does a 12 bolt necessarily make an f-body slower? just a little extra weight..

**Pythias** · 11-11-2006, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by tonyjnjz

and im HOPING to take down a z06 when i meet up with one....been my goal since i got the car..there bad ass cars...theres a few out there that have run high 11s completely stock....z06vette.com checked out there forum before..the c6 z06 is just rediculous..dunnno if u saw the post on here of one runnning a 10.85 stock on drag rads!!!!

**Crimson Sin** · 11-11-2006, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by BlueByU-SS

does a 12 bolt necessarily make an f-body slower? just a little extra weight..

Any extra weight will slow your car bro, that's why guys pay hundred's of dollars for lightweight parts, aluminum k-members etc etc. Particularly the wheels, I forgot the formula but it has to do with unsprung weight against rotational force etc with some inertia mixed in. I LOVE seeing these guys with 20-22s on their rides pull up along side me and blip the throttle, all I see is 50 pound anchors at each corner of the car, I laugh in their face typically, then spank em
Stuff like a big ass box with 10/12/15's etc in the back and god forbid some giant ass wing etc all that crap makes it SLOWER. Same reason I refuse to get a skirting kit on my SS <more weight> GM went through the effort of plastic panels, aluminum drive train etc to lower weight. They spent that cash for a reason

**Roastem** · 11-13-2006, 03:36 AM

That is exactly why the new Z06 blows the doors off the new Viper, while giving up 5 hp and 55 lb/ft.

200 lb weight advantage: magnesium engine cradle, aluminum frame, etc.

**breakparts** · 11-14-2006, 11:07 AM

i pulled all my stereo equipment for this reason...and i never ride with fat beezies!!!!

**preston1980** · 11-18-2006, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by BlueByU-SS

does a 12 bolt necessarily make an f-body slower? just a little extra weight..

But it puts the weight in the right spot, right over the rear wheels. Which will help with traction, alot. I say, instead of trying to lighten up your car, just make it have more horsepower. I believe the 12 bolt would be a great mod to do on any F-body car. Now I do agree with not increasing the weight in your car any more than needed. No Fat chicks allowed

Unless they are a relative, or your wife.

Saving weight is a great way to go faster, but sometimes people take it to far, I like my sound system and back seats and spare tire, and alot of other things that people remove to save weight. Especially if its a daily driver car.

**preston1980** · 11-18-2006, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by cmaross01

A mach 1 with 4:10s alone is a very stout car! The race sounds right to me!

Me too.
I think people think the Mach 1 is just a GT with with a shaker hood, thats not true, its basically the same motor as the Cobra. They run well, I have ran a few around here. I believe they only weigh 3460 pounds to the Cobras 3660 pounds, They can run a very low 13 sec quarter mile, like 13.2.
0-60 is only 4 tenths behind a SS Camaro or WS6 TA, like 5.5 secs. to a SS or WS6 runs 0-60 in 5.1 sec.

They are not quite a Cobra, but way better than a GT. So basically, they are not quite a man from the factory, but far more than a litte boy.

Now the ZO6 is already a man from the factory. And remember he didnt say he won, just kept up. Im proud of you little brother.

**jbb6811** · 11-18-2006, 06:34 AM

seems you doggin himjust hes got a stang. dude sound honest and he even said he thought his freind may have been going easy on him. pm me your # and the next time i visit my cuz in concord i'll see if we can run. i'm stock now but i'm tring to get f-body motorsports to do a head cam for me. you(mach1) know any thing about them?

**Raoul-Duke** · 11-18-2006, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by breakparts

but if gm-created a 12 bolt they would get alot of money, especially if there as cheap as the new gm performance parts coming out lately, they could do it but then moser and strange wouldnt be able to make 2500 dollars off of us f-body guys........

lol, well put analogy

**Mach1Mustang** · 11-18-2006, 02:12 PM

I dont know to much, but i have heard different things, some good some bad. But a heads/ cam swap on the ls1 is very easy. Me and some buddies have done it on a few fbodys.

**djvaly** · 11-19-2006, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by preston1980

Me too.
I think people think the Mach 1 is just a GT with with a shaker hood, thats not true, its basically the same motor as the Cobra. They run well, I have ran a few around here. I believe they only weigh 3460 pounds to the Cobras 3660 pounds, They can run a very low 13 sec quarter mile, like 13.2.
0-60 is only 4 tenths behind a SS Camaro or WS6 TA, like 5.5 secs. to a SS or WS6 runs 0-60 in 5.1 sec.

They are not quite a Cobra, but way better than a GT. So basically, they are not quite a man from the factory, but far more than a litte boy.

Now the ZO6 is already a man from the factory. And remember he didnt say he won, just kept up. Im proud of you little brother.

Mach 1 is like 30hp flywheel less than LS1. take a Cobra and take away the supercharger, and u have Mach1,.. with regards to Mach1 stock running 13.2s, possible but very slim. We LS1 run low 13s.. like 13.3, 13.4 all day.. Mach 1 I think more like mid and up 13s.. and yeah they're way better than GT.. u got that one right bud...

I got a friend who has a 350Z (300hp) 3400lbs and he runs stock 13.6 a lot like Mach1...

**Mach1Mustang** · 11-19-2006, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by djvaly

Mach 1 is like 30hp flywheel less than LS1. take a Cobra and take away the supercharger, and u have Mach1,.. with regards to Mach1 stock running 13.2s, possible but very slim. We LS1 run low 13s.. like 13.3, 13.4 all day.. Mach 1 I think more like mid and up 13s.. and yeah they're way better than GT.. u got that one right bud...

I got a friend who has a 350Z (300hp) 3400lbs and he runs stock 13.6 a lot like Mach1...

Sure, the mach has less hp, but i believe it weighs less, plus it has a steeper first and second gear. Accelaration is not a problem with these cars, trust me. Sure my car is modded but i barely lost to the zo6 without any motor work. I was quite happy with the cars prefrormance!