Texas Speed's New Magic Stick, ??60 rwhp??

**breakparts** · 06-26-2006, 04:38 PM

sorry i used 18 % drivetrain loss as an m6- im not sure what an auto would be-mabey 20% drivetrain loss -someone input if im wrong

**jmhvenom** · 06-27-2006, 11:44 AM

caps are annoying lol... people use the max HP because that is much easier to figure out on the chart than finding the area under the curve.... Integrals of non linear areas are just too hard for some people lol.

**Zboner** · 06-27-2006, 12:03 PM

yea

**oneBADDz** · 06-27-2006, 12:29 PM

Roastem asked about the MS4, then you guys got caught up talking about the MS3, which is MUCH less cam. The MS4 has more duration than the MS3 and hidden lift numbers. I ran into a TSP guy at the gas pump (who was running the MS3) and he said the MS4 is in the .64x lift range. The two really aren't even comparable, the MS3 is a hell of a cam, but the MS4 is a BADD son of a bitch if you have the guts (and mods) to run such a big cam

**Zboner** · 06-27-2006, 12:33 PM

i want the MS4 now

**oneBADDz** · 06-27-2006, 12:34 PM

i get paid saturday, and I'm getting the torquer 2 three seconds after I deposit the check in the bank, real nice curves from that cam

**6sw00** · 06-28-2006, 10:10 PM

i read in car craft of a hot cam givin an ls1 about 50 hp just with the cam switch.. i just hope i can find some1 that knows what there doin

**oneBADDz** · 06-28-2006, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by 6sw00

i read in car craft of a hot cam givin an ls1 about 50 hp just with the cam switch.. i just hope i can find some1 that knows what there doin

maybe at the crank, in the best conditions possible.

**amit** · 06-29-2006, 04:43 AM

so what would i need to install a tsp magic stick 4 in my car safe. all i have is a few bolt ons i know i need more parts before a cam.

**Roastem** · 06-29-2006, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by 6sw00

i read in car craft of a hot cam givin an ls1 about 50 hp just with the cam switch.. i just hope i can find some1 that knows what there doin

Don't get the hot cam, you will regret it. There are much better cams out there.

**ninobrn99** · 06-29-2006, 08:16 AM

The MS4 is built on the latest craze. Tight LSAs, high lift, minimal overlap and the best DCR you can get out of it. With such high lifts, they are using their PRC platinum springs, Im certain. With more comrpession, the more under the curve you'll get with this cam. This is not in a stock ls1. it would choke itself to death with the stock exhasut if that were the case.

**wesTXwitesnake05** · 07-02-2006, 01:31 PM

With the MS4 specs you wouldnt have too much low end power right? 2300-6800 rpm power band, seems more like a drag cam than a street/strip cam to me. but still, 82+ HP at the flyweel is damn impressive! some guy here had the magic stick 3 in a 02 z06. but even with a professional tune the car would try to die at the stoplight but if he could get it to idle it sounded like a damn top fuel dragster! ive been wanting to get one ever since i saw the vette's dyno sheet but it doesnt seem like a real streetable cam to me. does anyone here have one in a daily driver?

**oneBADDz** · 07-02-2006, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by wesTXwitesnake05

With the MS4 specs you wouldnt have too much low end power right? 2300-6800 rpm power band, seems more like a drag cam than a street/strip cam to me. but still, 82+ HP at the flyweel is damn impressive! some guy here had the magic stick 3 in a 02 z06. but even with a professional tune the car would try to die at the stoplight but if he could get it to idle it sounded like a damn top fuel dragster! ive been wanting to get one ever since i saw the vette's dyno sheet but it doesnt seem like a real streetable cam to me. does anyone here have one in a daily driver?

the 3 is very streetable with a good tune. The TSP guy I talked to runs one daily in his SS. Saw him cold start it one day when it was in the 40s and he had to work with it for a few seconds than it ran fine from what I saw, and once it's warmed up and in decent weather it's no trouble at all. It's all in a good tune. If you can get it tuned good you shouldn't ever have trouble idling at stoplights etc

**BigFrosty** · 07-02-2006, 02:44 PM

What would i need to run this cam in an a4 SS i have basic boltons right now headers,exhaust,and intake.

**TACE02** · 07-04-2006, 04:54 PM

Daily Driver with MS3, yep got it. Did a Head and Cam swap, and it is a daily driver, runs just fine, till I dump the clutch or romp on it around 3700RPM

Definetely jerks you back in the seat every gear. as for the MS4, yeah you will have to upgrade the valvetrain for sure, TSP has that covered with their PRC dual valve spring kit, which is what I have (good to .660 lift), and the cam is somewhere around the .647 intake lift/ .611 exhaust lift if I am not mistaken.

**BigFrosty** · 07-05-2006, 10:25 AM

So all i would need to upgrade would be the valve train? Which would run better as a DD MS3 or MS4?

**Zboner** · 07-05-2006, 10:30 AM

you WILL NEED a stall if you get this cam for sure man, it will fight with you at stop lights and try to just keep moving.

**oneBADDz** · 07-05-2006, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by BigFrosty

So all i would need to upgrade would be the valve train? Which would run better as a DD MS3 or MS4?

I support the MS3 for a DD

**TACE02** · 07-05-2006, 02:56 PM

MS3 is a little rough for DD, but it works. And its nice at the track...

cause you know street racing is illegal, so I wouldn't be able to say how it runs on the highway and all....

The MS4 I would have to say will be rougher as a DD. Don't count out the Torquer 2 if you purchase from TSP, that is a more streetable cam and it is a very nice size cam.

**breakparts** · 07-05-2006, 03:16 PM

i have the ms3 in my 02 z-, im in california and when smog comes around i will be sol right.or is the ms3 a smoggable cam if the tune is done for smog as good as possible.im not looking forward to changing this cam at all since it is a very fun camshaft.

im reading this forum and nobody asks anything about smog with this cam in california please please calm my nerves or let me know if im screwed.as california is a real bichhh

if your a gearhead with post 73 year cars.