Gen V Dodge Viper ACR

[cam02ss]

It was never meant to. That being said, the new one has been somewhat of a disappointment, even with current viper owners. They're not selling at all

You hit the nail on the head. Steel brakes, nothing new transmission or engine wise. It's as though there was no thought put into the car aside from the looks and new colors. The looks even pissed off a lot of Viper owners. The entire rollout of that car was a disaster.

[FasstChevys]

[theorangeguy]

Dodge needs to 1) give that V10 a legitimate power bump 2) offer carbon ceramic breaks on GTS/TA models and 3) keep prices in the same realm as the Corvettes.

I think you'll see a 800+hp viper in the next 3-5 years. I dont think they can stay away from boost at this point with everybody else going FI.

[Zinergy]

A lot of supercars/hypercars are still N/A. Just not the top model Corvette. Ford doesn't have anything that is considered a super car.

[theorangeguy]

A lot of supercars/hypercars are still N/A. Just not the top model Corvette. Ford doesn't have anything that is considered a super car.

The only reason I mention FI is because I don't see dodge squeezing another 200hp out of the motor they currently have unless they start from scratch or add some psi.

[Zinergy]

They could if they really wanted to too. There is no reason a 8.4 liter v10 can't make 800+hp. But FI would be much more effcient at making 800hp.

[GTP231]

I think it looks exactly like a Lamborghini...except for the fact that one is a snake and one is a bull...one is mid engine and one is not...one is Italian and one is 'merican...

Ferrari chassis now since Mercedes swiped what was to be the current snake for the gullwing when they left the "merger"

[5.0THIS]

I got your sarcasm...just can't pass up an opportunity to give you a hard time.

lol. Gotcha. carry on then, carry on.

You hit the nail on the head. Steel brakes, nothing new transmission or engine wise. It's as though there was no thought put into the car aside from the looks and new colors. The looks even pissed off a lot of Viper owners. The entire rollout of that car was a disaster.

At the short term risk of offending the faithful, they need to ditch the V10. A boosted hemi is the future for that car. Not only will there be more potential out of the box, but it will sound a whole helluva lot better. And now they have one on the shelf ready to go. Maybe just engineer an aluminum block for it (which they need to do anyway) and its ready for Viper use.

They could if they really wanted to too. There is no reason a 8.4 liter v10 can't make 800+hp. But FI would be much more effcient at making 800hp.

The V10 could probably do it, but it's just such a quirky motor. I don't think the Viper owners would whine and complain for too long.

[cam02ss]

At the short term risk of offending the faithful, they need to ditch the V10. A boosted hemi is the future for that car. Not only will there be more potential out of the box, but it will sound a whole helluva lot better. And now they have one on the shelf ready to go. Maybe just engineer an aluminum block for it (which they need to do anyway) and its ready for Viper use.

Agreed. There are quite a few people over on the Viper forums who feel the same. I hope Dodge gets things worked out with the Viper, and it ends up being around for a long time. Corvette/Viper rivalry is one of the biggest and best out there and there's nothing better than seeing the two cars going head to head on the cover magazines, etc.

[theorangeguy]

I dont think dodge will go to an aluminum block with the hellcat engine...the motor is way under rated and part of that is because of the iron block. Yea the aluminum will save some weight, but the iron one can take a lot more than it comes with from the factory. Guys are claiming to get a solid 850hp+ out of the hellcat once its tuned. Even if its "only" 800-825hp after a tune...I'll keep an iron block to know that I can safely run that much boost and HP lol


I agree 10000000% that dodge needs to drop the hellcat motor into the viper...scrap the v10. Its pointless considering a v8 from across the street will absolutely destroy it at this point...

[5.0THIS]

I dont think dodge will go to an aluminum block with the hellcat engine...the motor is way under rated and part of that is because of the iron block. Yea the aluminum will save some weight, but the iron one can take a lot more than it comes with from the factory. Guys are claiming to get a solid 850hp+ out of the hellcat once its tuned. Even if its "only" 800-825hp after a tune...I'll keep an iron block to know that I can safely run that much boost and HP lol

Really man? Do you really think aluminum engine blocks cant be engineered to handle such power outputs and cylinder pressures? The most powerful production car out there uses an aluminum block (runs more boost, makes more power). The LS9 is an aluminum block. The LT4 is an aluminum block. Lots of modded LS9s running around out there with twin turbos and tons of boost. None of them blowing up blocks. The Ford GT uses an aluminum block, and there are many guys pushing 1500hp with those cars. Guess what's not failing? Dodge Viper: aluminum block. Just a few boosted vipers running around not blowing up their blocks. Want me to keep going?


Dodge could 100% make an engine block that would support hellcat power and beyond. They wouldn't even have to try hard. It's been done before, many times.


IB4 Patrick tries to defend or clarify his incorrect stance

[theorangeguy]

I dont think dodge will go to an aluminum block with the hellcat engine...the motor is way under rated and part of that is because of the iron block. Yea the aluminum will save some weight, but the iron one can take a lot more than it comes with from the factory. Guys are claiming to get a solid 850hp+ out of the hellcat once its tuned. Even if its "only" 800-825hp after a tune...I'll keep an iron block to know that I can safely run that much boost and HP lol

Really man? Do you really think aluminum engine blocks cant be engineered to handle such power outputs and cylinder pressures? The most powerful production car out there uses an aluminum block (runs more boost, makes more power). The LS9 is an aluminum block. The LT4 is an aluminum block. Lots of modded LS9s running around out there with twin turbos and tons of boost. None of them blowing up blocks. The Ford GT uses an aluminum block, and there are many guys pushing 1500hp with those cars. Guess what's not failing? Dodge Viper: aluminum block. Just a few boosted vipers running around not blowing up their blocks. Want me to keep going?


Dodge could 100% make an engine block that would support hellcat power and beyond. They wouldn't even have to try hard. It's been done before, many times.


IB4 Patrick tries to defend or clarify his incorrect stance

I didn't say it couldn't be done...I said I doubt dodge will revamp an engine they just released which makes that gigantic post you made absolutely pointless lol

I'm well aware Dodge can make an aluminium block to hold that power the hellcat makes, just said I don't see them doing it.

Can you point out where I said dodge CAN'T do it? My statement wasn't incorrect...the iron block holds more than it says it will from the factory. Fact. The aluminum would save weight. Fact. Where was I "incorrect"...?

[theorangeguy]

I'm also going to assume that that massive v10 is heavier than the hellcat motor even if the v10 does have an aluminum block...so the weight argument goes out the window at that point too.

[5.0THIS]

I didn't say it couldn't be done...I said I doubt dodge will revamp an engine they just released which makes that gigantic post you made absolutely pointless lol

I'm well aware Dodge can make an aluminium block to hold that power the hellcat makes, just said I don't see them doing it.

Can you point out where I said dodge CAN'T do it? My statement wasn't incorrect...the iron block holds more than it says it will from the factory. Fact. The aluminum would save weight. Fact. Where was I "incorrect"...?

You should probably just admit you were wrong and move on. You're backpedaling and deflecting now.

[5.0THIS]

I'm also going to assume that that massive v10 is heavier than the hellcat motor even if the v10 does have an aluminum block...so the weight argument goes out the window at that point too.

Just saw an article that said the Hellcat engine weighs 180 pounds more than the Viper V10. keep trying bud

[theorangeguy]

I didn't say it couldn't be done...I said I doubt dodge will revamp an engine they just released which makes that gigantic post you made absolutely pointless lol

I'm well aware Dodge can make an aluminium block to hold that power the hellcat makes, just said I don't see them doing it.

Can you point out where I said dodge CAN'T do it? My statement wasn't incorrect...the iron block holds more than it says it will from the factory. Fact. The aluminum would save weight. Fact. Where was I "incorrect"...?

You should probably just admit you were wrong and move on. You're backpedaling and deflecting now.

Because it's a fact that iron holds more than aluminum I'm wrong...?

I tried finding the weights of the motors earlier and I couldn't which is why I went on an assumption.

I still didn't say that aluminum wouldn't work...not sure what cloud you pulled that one out of. I said I don't see dodge redesigning a motor that literally just came out just to drop it in the viper.

[5.0THIS]

Because it's a fact that iron holds more than aluminum I'm wrong...?

I tried finding the weights of the motors earlier and I couldn't which is why I went on an assumption.

I still didn't say that aluminum wouldn't work...not sure what cloud you pulled that one out of. I said I don't see dodge redesigning a motor that literally just came out just to drop it in the viper.

Your implications were pretty clear. And pretty wrong.

[theorangeguy]

Because it's a fact that iron holds more than aluminum I'm wrong...?

I tried finding the weights of the motors earlier and I couldn't which is why I went on an assumption.

I still didn't say that aluminum wouldn't work...not sure what cloud you pulled that one out of. I said I don't see dodge redesigning a motor that literally just came out just to drop it in the viper.

Your implications were pretty clear. And pretty wrong.

Do I really need to quote myself...?

[35th-ANV-SS]

I raced a Viper once....and won.

[theorangeguy]

I raced a Viper once....and won.

Well according to 5.0, if they would have used cryptonite in the pistons and titanium for the block the viper would have won...