11 best muscle cars of all time?

[TLS_Addict]

I'm not clear on what point it is you are trying to make TLSaddict and 2002SLP....

Prices never really reflected the definition of muscle car and I'm not real sure how that got started. Trying to compare today's costs to say,,,,,1969 is apples to oranges. Back then a $3,000 car was pretty damned expensive for the majority of people.
I remember my father buying his 69 GTO new (and still has it) paying $3404 exactly. His car payments of $40 a month was tough back then when you have a house payment and a family to feed. Working 2 jobs to make ends meet. You were lucky back then to clear $150 a week.

Today isn't much different, just a larger scale. If I had to dwell on one difference it's that most of the good jobs have left the US now and went elsewhere. But that's another discussion.

Muscle cars came in alot of different platforms and price ranges. It's just a matter of what you could afford.

I NEVER said it comes down to price that makes the difinition of a muscle car. Show me where those words popped out of my mouth (or on to the screen). What I do is try to use wages to draw a comparison for people who say they could afford one back then but not now. That is it. NEVER did I say that price is a determinant of a muscle car so do not try to put words in my mouth again. And BTW, my point is that if your dad made 150 bring home thats just over 200 a week he made 10k+ a year. That car is roughly 1/3rd his pay. Thats pretty cheap in my opinion vs today. Again, I never said cost is the definition of a muscle car. I was just trying to point out that vehicle costs have risen as have prices for all consumables thus making these types of cars (new not used) out of reach for some people. Why dont you read a little deeper in to that and see that I am pointed that today shit is more expensive. If your dad was forking out $40 a month on a car that was $3,404 which means even with ZERO % interest he had to have the payment for 91 months. Seriously, 91 months? And before you question my math I was an accountant/financial analyst and can build about any cost model you wish for.

You are right. Not to turn this in to a debate but its the older generation that fucked up the wages of decent jobs in this country and sent them other places. Kill your unions and get the pay where it should be and the country would be better off. That is a fact.

I never said a Muscle car has a definition that includes price. There are trends of prices and consumables that all impact one another so yes, there is an apples to apples comparison its just you cant see it. The reason you and others say it is apples to oranges is because you dont factor in everything, you only use car to car prices and dont look at the big picture. Ever hear of Quantitative Business Analysis? Its used to get cost determinants and other financial aspects that you can use in your home life as well as in the business realm. Same shit....income and outflow of cash. Thats it.....not exactly rocket science.

[KahanaReef]

Damn, TLS... save it for the Debate Forum.

[Firebirdjones]

[TLS_Addict]

Damn, TLS... save it for the Debate Forum.

Sorry, was typing fast in between doing a paper.

It was pretty harsh after I went back and saw what I wrote. lol I do stand behind it but it wasnt meant to be so harsh. In the middle of doing homework. No offense meant.

[justinmc978]

yeah I think you should have directed that to Revnorr82 instead of TLS, I didnt recall him saying anything about that, but I didnt bother going back to look...

[Smittro]

Vehix= fail..

Just my .02

To the subject: Buick GN..

[Firebirdjones]

yeah I think you should have directed that to Revnorr82 instead of TLS, I didnt recall him saying anything about that, but I didnt bother going back to look...

Actually it might have been Revnorr82 that I was referring to. There are so many quotes in here it's getting difficult to find who says what. In any event, it doesn't change anything I've said...

[Firebirdjones]

Vehix= fail..

Just my .02

To the subject: Buick GN..

Okay I give,,,,what does vehix mean?

[justinmc978]

Okay I give,,,,what does vehix mean?

vehix is the site that OP referenced for this 'list' even though its not a list but rather '11 great muscle cars' in no particular order.

Again, this 'list' was just advertisement to buy new Camaros/Mustangs/Challengers on Vehix..

[Firebirdjones]

Ah thanks Justin, that makes sense now. I thought Smittro was making something up again

[nhraformula]

This is a hard question to answer, theres just soo many cars out there.
Anyways, alot of the modern muscle cars like the Z06, ZR1 and Viper easily make the top 11

[justinmc978]

again though, based on what? what qualifies a car to make the 'top 11 muscle cars'? there cant just be a general list, you can say 'the fastest 11 muscle cars', 'the 11 most affordable muscle cars of their time' or (if you can prove it) 'the 11 most influencial muscle cars' or even some combination of multiple factors based on facts.

otherwise you are ranking them in general terms of what they are, and that is useless, as it will always come down to opinions.

[Smittro]

Okay I give,,,,what does vehix mean?

lol! Vehix is an automotive site that puts out stories and reports on cars that are usually mostly based on opinions rather than facts..

Many times stories are writen by non-car people..

Other than that "Vehix" is a name..

[KahanaReef]

lol! Vehix is an automotive site that puts out stories and reports on cars that are usually mostly based on opinions rather than facts..

Many times stories are writen by non-car people..

Other than that "Vehix" is a name..

Well then, that would certainly explain the cars on this list then

[FasstChevys]

This is a hard question to answer, theres just soo many cars out there.
Anyways, alot of the modern muscle cars like the Z06, ZR1 and Viper easily make the top 11

I, for one, do not think the ZO6, ZR1, or the Viper are muscle cars.

[Firebirdjones]

They are muscle cars indeed. They are just a different era of muscle that shouldn't be grouped together with classics.

As far as I'm concerned, there are 2 catagories of muscle cars. You have your vintage cars and your modern cars. They both don't work together on a top 10 list. Like I said, they were designed with different ideas and regulations in mind 40 years apart. Vintage muscle has something that modern cars will never capture. Just two different playing fields.

[FasstChevys]

They are muscle cars indeed. They are just a different era of muscle that shouldn't be grouped together with classics.

As far as I'm concerned, there are 2 catagories of muscle cars. You have your vintage cars and your modern cars. They both don't work together on a top 10 list. Like I said, they were designed with different ideas and regulations in mind 40 years apart. Vintage muscle has something that modern cars will never capture. Just two different playing fields.

I'll go along with what you said, but not with what I responded to.

[Firebirdjones]

I'll go along with what you said, but not with what I responded to.

Yeah, it makes sense, (to me anyway), and I've seen lists like I've described with modern cars all to their own. There are pleny of modern muscle cars that have been made to make a very lengthy and controversial list on their own without mixing in classic cars...

Starting in 81 when computers were incorporated into vehicles is probably about when I'd say modern takes over. From there (or shortly after) you have your 5.0 fox body mustangs, 3rd gen Fbodies, your turbo buicks, Typhoons and Syclones, LT1's, LS1's, all the way up to your newer stuff like the new hemi's, the new 5.0 mustangs, your Z06 vettes, vipers, all the LS powered vehicles.....

You can see that starts to be a very large list in it's own right. Very hard to catagorize alot of that stuff. I'd hate to be the guy that had to choose.

[Firebirdjones]

Okay, who wants to start more controversy and start a new top 20 best with modern muscle cars

[KahanaReef]

Okay, who wants to start more controversy and start a new top 20 best with modern muscle cars

Instigator!