Played with a LS1 in my 5.0

**importhater81** · 07-13-2010, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Packy

Or people can just man up and race what they have/prefer to drive. Once you mod it you can throw MSRP and stock numbers out of the equation. So in the end the are all hunk of metal and plastic.

I've been looking to race one since they came out,but the new 5.0's are like legends already...never to be seen in person but such great storys about them.

**damianj03** · 07-13-2010, 06:40 PM

seen a 2011 shelby in the ford dealerships showroom is the best looking thing in production today besides the Z06 but the shelby had a price tag of 56k over 500HP thats cheaper than a new Z06 might sway that way when the time comes.

**rajiv1998** · 07-13-2010, 06:59 PM

Well the cobras are a little bit better of a comparison then some of the others that you mentioned. Point of the matter is that Ford built a car thats faster than the LS1. Doesnt matter if it took them a decade or a day, it still happened. And there is a reason the mustang is still in production today and the T/A and Camaro are not... But thats a differant story.

**Packy** · 07-13-2010, 07:00 PM

Old arguments:

Fox body guy: Well my 10 year old POS can keep up with yours.
LS1 guy: My stock car
Fox Body guy: Yeah
LS1 guy: Pfft, pleaseeeeee

LS1 guy: Well at least we don't need a S/C to win.
03/04 Cobra guy: Well you have 65 more CI than me...

Mach 1 guys: We run stock for stock with LS1's
LS1 guys: No you don't because you have a Mustang. Ewwwwwweeeee!
Bottom line they pretty damn even especially with the average drivers out there.

New Arguments:

LS1 guys: The new 5.0 ain't gonna beat my LS1....
The new 5.0 guy: Uh how so I have 412 hp!

LS1 guys: well I will just get some mods finally. Then we will see punk!

The new 5.0 guy: Well we will just see if I can get my traction control off by the time we race. Then we will see!

Bottom line guys yes the almighty LS1 can still keep up but not for long (unless you have modded and stay on your game) because when the full bolt-on Coyotes start roaming around the streets they will be able to keep up and go FTMFW!

**95camaroZNC** · 07-13-2010, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by rajiv1998

Well the cobras are a little bit better of a comparison then some of the others that you mentioned. Point of the matter is that Ford built a car thats faster than the LS1. Doesnt matter if it took them a decade or a day, it still happened. And there is a reason the mustang is still in production today and the T/A and Camaro are not... But thats a differant story.

Camaro is in production, the reason the Trans Am is not is because they are, the same car for all points and purposes. No need to make 2 under different names.

It is sad that it took ford so long, the fact of the matter is however they didnt have to. The Camaro and Trans am were both more expensive then the Mustang which was more in line with the price of all the import cars that came out to compete with the three. In the end the Trans am and Camaro died a over priced death in 2002. The mustang however now in dealerships is way over priced for a decent gt. More then the new Camaro and only time will tell as to if they make it any faster or lighter to leave the mustang in a cloud of dust again. Many MANY many people have said all it would take is a couple of hundred pounds off the Camaro to make it a million times better car which GM is working towards for next years model. Its the first real year the Maros been back out. Its not going to be at the top of its game in the first batch of them. Ls1 intake- ls6 intake on the ls1 cars as a comparison.

**flash** · 07-13-2010, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by 95camaroZNC

Camaro is in production, the reason the Trans Am is not is because they are, the same car for all points and purposes. No need to make 2 under different names.

It is sad that it took ford so long, the fact of the matter is however they didnt have to. The Camaro and Trans am were both more expensive then the Mustang which was more in line with the price of all the import cars that came out to compete with the three. In the end the Trans am and Camaro died a over priced death in 2002. The mustang however now in dealerships is way over priced for a decent gt. More then the new Camaro and only time will tell as to if they make it any faster or lighter to leave the mustang in a cloud of dust again. Many MANY many people have said all it would take is a couple of hundred pounds off the Camaro to make it a million times better car which GM is working towards for next years model. Its the first real year the Maros been back out. Its not going to be at the top of its game in the first batch of them. Ls1 intake- ls6 intake on the ls1 cars as a comparison.

How is it overpriced compared to the camaro?On chevys website the camaro is more expensive............http://www.chevrolet.com/tools/compa...4&snType=model

Not to mention you can have one under 30,000 if you dont want leather and all the other fancy crap.

**blackSS01** · 07-13-2010, 08:04 PM

WoW!!! (Not World of Warcraft!!) I got guys (Flash) (Not OP) talking shit about my car which he can't beat

Think you can beat my SS, try my 69 Chevelle

Nobody here has heard about it, because my parents and myself own it 50/50 and I don't consider that my car straight up! The war has started and I'll claim enough wins, no doubt the OP will win his share

Like a wise man once said (Packy/Owns both) Brand loyalty is out the window now a days with the shit going on! People wonder why these threads get

Because people are retarded (no offense to actually retarded people

) I'm out, I'm done, I'm gone......this shit is going to get deeper and deeper

**blackSS01** · 07-13-2010, 08:06 PM

Wait, my buddy has this crazy car and it can beat anything....you only run 12's, good luck........my shit runs 4's when I'm on the throttle and the bottle...

Sorry, won't do it again, people are so dumb it makes me smart

**flash** · 07-13-2010, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by blackSS01

WoW!!! (Not World of Warcraft!!) I got guys (Flash) (Not OP) talking shit about my car which he can't beat

Think you can beat my SS, try my 69 Chevelle

Nobody here has heard about it, because my parents and myself own it 50/50 and I don't consider that my car straight up! The war has started and I'll claim enough wins, no doubt the OP will win his share

Like a wise man once said (Packy/Owns both) Brand loyalty is out the window now a days with the shit going on! People wonder why these threads get

Because people are retarded (no offense to actually retarded people

) I'm out, I'm done, I'm gone......this shit is going to get deeper and deeper

Show me once where i talked shit?All the shit talking you do and the fastest you've been is 12.8 is what i asked that is not talking shit in my book!

**rajiv1998** · 07-13-2010, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by blackSS01

Wait, my buddy has this crazy car and it can beat anything....you only run 12's, good luck........my shit runs 4's when I'm on the throttle and the bottle...

Sorry, won't do it again, people are so dumb it makes me smart

I just dont understand your logic? Who do u consider dumb and who is talking shit? We are just having a debate. Even a blind person could have seen the outcome of this thread from a mile away. Anytime the words "LS1" and "Mustang" are used in the same sentance, things dont really turn out very well.

**95camaroZNC** · 07-13-2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by flash

How is it overpriced compared to the camaro?On chevys website the camaro is more expensive............http://www.chevrolet.com/tools/compa...4&snType=model

Not to mention you can have one under 30,000 if you dont want leather and all the other fancy crap.

Try and go to a lot and get either car for their projected MSRP right now. I think its also been said the interior on the mustangs is nicer then the ones in the Camaro but its not if your having to buy a stripped down version of the stang just to afford it where as you could have bought a loaded SS.

**rajiv1998** · 07-13-2010, 08:32 PM

Call me crazy, but I dont think Ford was really competing with GM in the late 90's and early 2k's. If they really wanted to blow away the competition, they could have created a car like the 03/04 cobra before the LS1 even went into the f-bodys.

Mustang have always been a "pony" car not really a full fledged "muscle" car like the T/A and Camaros. Seems like ford was playing their cards pretty well. They obviously knew what the general public wanted and didnt focus too much on the performance aspect like GM did.

**flash** · 07-13-2010, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by 95camaroZNC

Try and go to a lot and get either car for their projected MSRP right now. I think its also been said the interior on the mustangs is nicer then the ones in the Camaro but its not if your having to buy a stripped down version of the stang just to afford it where as you could have bought a loaded SS.

$28,767

http://www.garyyeomansford.com/new/F...seHistory=true

http://www.garyyeomansford.com/new/F...seHistory=true

$31,951

http://www.garyyeomansford.com/new/F...seHistory=true

**95camaroZNC** · 07-13-2010, 08:36 PM

People who couldnt afford the Camaro or Trans am bought the Mustangs inless they were just a hardcore ford lover. There was no brand loyalty then either, but you had cars that were just as fast, TT supras, TT rx-7s, TT 300zxs. People buy whats faster, you being on a LS1/ Trans am/ Camaro site shows that as hard as your "Debating" for a 5.0 or Termi. There arent as many choices now as there were back then.

**flash** · 07-13-2010, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by 95camaroZNC

People who couldnt afford the Camaro or Trans am bought the Mustangs inless they were just a hardcore ford lover. There was no brand loyalty then either, but you had cars that were just as fast, TT supras, TT rx-7s, TT 300zxs. People buy whats faster, you being on a LS1/ Trans am/ Camaro site shows that as hard as your "Debating" for a 5.0 or Termi. There arent as many choices now as there were back then.

All those cars listed were alot more than any domestic at that time.People do not buy what is faster.The 4th gen sale numbers tell you this....

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...uction+figures
mustang/camaro

98: 170,642/ 77,198
99: 126,067/ 42,098
00: 218,525/ 45,417
01: 155,162/ 29,009

**flash** · 07-13-2010, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by 95camaroZNC

Try and go to a lot and get either car for their projected MSRP right now. I think its also been said the interior on the mustangs is nicer then the ones in the Camaro but its not if your having to buy a stripped down version of the stang just to afford it where as you could have bought a loaded SS.

Not everybody prefers to have a loaded car.Thats why there is options.

**Packy** · 07-13-2010, 08:58 PM

Dude I was cruising in my LS1 the other day and saw a new 5.0 driving. I got near him and revved and he looked at me with a glance like leave me alone and then he turned off. When I am in my cars driving I like to race anything that is performance oriented. I do like to stir some shit too! I just wanted to see how it would run. Like when I bought my Cobra and took around LSX guys and they were all acting like it wasn't shit but none of them would buck up and run it! I wonder why. People felt threatened from it just like all the guys driving stock to relatively stock LS1's do now. It is a simple case of the hunters becoming the hunted now. If you guys can't realize that then you are either blind or just flat out dumb.

Here is a bit of history for you that most on this site probably do not know. LS1 heads are loosely based off of an old Blue Oval design.?. True or False

**rajiv1998** · 07-13-2010, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Packy

Dude I was cruising in my LS1 the other day and saw a new 5.0 driving. I got near him and revved and he looked at me with a glance like leave me alone and then he turned off. When I am in my cars driving I like to race anything that is performance oriented. I do like to stir some shit too! I just wanted to see how it would run. Like when I bought my Cobra and took around LSX guys and they were all acting like it wasn't shit but none of them would buck up and run it! I wonder why. People felt threatened from it just like all the guys driving stock to relatively stock LS1's do now. It is a simple case of the hunters becoming the hunted now. If you guys can't realize that then you are either blind or just flat out dumb.

Here is a bit of history for you that most on this site probably do not know. LS1 heads are loosely based off of an old Blue Oval design.?. True or False

I would think twice before racing any modded cobra. $1000=450+ rwhp.

**Packy** · 07-13-2010, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by rajiv1998

I would think twice before racing any modded cobra. $1000=450+ rwhp.

Most of them had a cam/bolt-ons at a minimum. Heck 2-3 of them had bigger bores such as 402 and higher with typical supporting mods. They all had one thing in common though. No balls!!!

or just scared of losing to a Ford...

**Packy** · 07-13-2010, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by importhater81

I've been looking to race one since they came out,but the new 5.0's are like legends already...never to be seen in person but such great storys about them.

I understand. I have only seen two here in Florida. One at the dealer and one on the road now. I drove the one at the dealer and it moved out pretty decently I have to say. I base my conclusions off of that and some of the valid stories off the internet.