OffDuty Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Marine 13 times

[Mieux97]

Eh not so fast, I've seen plenty of arrogant soldiers/marines, seaman/airman. Don't put him on a pedestal just cuz he served.

Chances are the cop just overreacted in a rage/drunken state.

This^^

[Mieux97]

Pretty sure any cop in Md can carry anywhere in Md, usually encouraged to do so too. (unless drinking)

A cop anywhere in the U.S. can carry everywhere in the U.S.

[Mieux97]

Police are advised to leave their weapon in a secured place when goin out to drink and that's usually at home.

[doberman 152]

RIP-Tyrone

[Mieux97]

if someone i know gets raped or murdered its a little to late for a cop to help them isnt it, theyll come file a report and not do shit, i can tell you that from first hand experience, so try again buddy

This is not the case in all rapes/murders. The more the victim cooperates, the more info the cop can use for the report/investigation. The minimum that a cop has to do is make the report and sadly there are those that do just that, but there are others who take all they can from that one incident to further pursue the offender...sometimes catching them in less than an hour on by chance in an unrelated incident.

Sounds like you just hate cops just to hate cops regardless of the person in the uniform.

[Nhra Firebird]

What kind of leo are you jad? Just asking since i know what cam is

Isn't CAM a mall security guard?

[RJWZ28]

Isn't CAM a mall security guard?

[jad628]

In all honesty, I realize I am no better than the next person just because I'm a LEO (BTW, I started the Academy four days after I ETS'd from the Army). I can also tell you that no one hates a crooked or crazed cop more than WE do. It makes our jobs much more difficult, and we need the public trust - which is an inherently fragile thing to hold. Back around Memorial Day I got toe-to-toe with a group of young blacks yelling "fuck the pigs" in a crowd, and then with a pretty good-sized white guy who was yelling "fuck [insert my agency]". In both cases, I felt an obligation to confront them because, A- it was a violation of the law (disorderly conduct), and B - I had one other citizen almost ready to HIT the white guy because she was so furious about his attitude. In both cases, I did nothing but confront them and give them the opportunity to either shut up or follow through. In both cases, they proved nothing but mouth. I would do the exact same thing if those individuals were provoking a completely unaffiliated group in my presence. Wrong is wrong.

I can guarantee you that I had some people walking away mumbling about how much of an asshole that cop was. Quite frankly, I don't care. What I do care about in the majority of citizens who understood - and I think expected -what I did.


In the case of this off-duty cop, it appears on face value that you are seeing an example of what we don't want in this profession. If he is a loose cannon and acted in a criminal manner, he needs to be dealt with, and dealt with effectively. Don't put too much emphasis on his apparent refusal to submit to a breath test. In a case like that, internal investigations by the department cannot supersede his rights as they pertain to a criminal investigation. Until such time as criminal charges are considered and either initiated or declined, the department can't really MAKE him do anything except not work. Administrative duty with pay is fairly normal because - like it or not - he is still innocent until proven guilty and most departments will afford that same privilege until they are satisfied that enough evidence exists to prove/disprove policy violations and/or criminal violations are present.

In my opinion (and it's only an opinion) this guy is about to get terminated and charged criminally. I'm still very suspicious of whether they'll find him dead. In my career, I'd say that cops I knew who were facing serious felony charges with little chance of beating them, would more often than not take their own life before the warrants could be served. I guess we'll see.

[RJWZ28]

In all honesty, I realize I am no better than the next person just because I'm a LEO (BTW, I started the Academy four days after I ETS'd from the Army). I can also tell you that no one hates a crooked or crazed cop more than WE do. It makes our jobs much more difficult, and we need the public trust - which is an inherently fragile thing to hold. Back around Memorial Day I got toe-to-toe with a group of young blacks yelling "fuck the pigs" in a crowd, and then with a pretty good-sized white guy who was yelling "fuck [insert my agency]". In both cases, I felt an obligation to confront them because, A- it was a violation of the law (disorderly conduct), and B - I had one other citizen almost ready to HIT the white guy because she was so furious about his attitude. In both cases, I did nothing but confront them and give them the opportunity to either shut up or follow through. In both cases, they proved nothing but mouth. I would do the exact same thing if those individuals were provoking a completely unaffiliated group in my presence. Wrong is wrong.

I can guarantee you that I had some people walking away mumbling about how much of an asshole that cop was. Quite frankly, I don't care. What I do care about in the majority of citizens who understood - and I think expected -what I did.


In the case of this off-duty cop, it appears on face value that you are seeing an example of what we don't want in this profession. If he is a loose cannon and acted in a criminal manner, he needs to be dealt with, and dealt with effectively. Don't put too much emphasis on his apparent refusal to submit to a breath test. In a case like that, internal investigations by the department cannot supersede his rights as they pertain to a criminal investigation. Until such time as criminal charges are considered and either initiated or declined, the department can't really MAKE him do anything except not work. Administrative duty with pay is fairly normal because - like it or not - he is still innocent until proven guilty and most departments will afford that same privilege until they are satisfied that enough evidence exists to prove/disprove policy violations and/or criminal violations are present.

In my opinion (and it's only an opinion) this guy is about to get terminated and charged criminally. I'm still very suspicious of whether they'll find him dead. In my career, I'd say that cops I knew who were facing serious felony charges with little chance of beating them, would more often than not take their own life before the warrants could be served. I guess we'll see.

This +1. All of it. Including the bit about suicide. One of the main causes of death in law enforcement is suicide; I would imagine that a situation like this what push the average guy even closer to that solution. I haven't had quite the level of law enforcement experience that you have, but believe me, I know how it is to be hated by the public, no doubt. And it is really difficult to do your job when many people around you hate you and are out to get you. No word yet on whether this guy has surrendered or not?

[cam02ss]

Isn't CAM a mall security guard?

There's your mall guard, bitch

[GTP231]

Isn't CAM a mall security guard?

He strepped up from a crossing guard?

[GTP231]

There's your mall guard, bitch

He's pissy since budget cut backs replaced his chrome whistle with a neon yellow plastic one

[RJWZ28]

Ouch, that's pretty rough

[jad628]

This +1. All of it. Including the bit about suicide. One of the main causes of death in law enforcement is suicide; I would imagine that a situation like this what push the average guy even closer to that solution. I haven't had quite the level of law enforcement experience that you have, but believe me, I know how it is to be hated by the public, no doubt. And it is really difficult to do your job when many people around you hate you and are out to get you. No word yet on whether this guy has surrendered or not?

I doubt there is a cop in the US who has went six months without getting that hard lesson in life. The best we can do is ruck up and move out.

[Spaz]

He's pissy since budget cut backs replaced his chrome whistle with a neon yellow plastic one

not to mention the spelled "willma" on his name tag with only one "l" to save money...

[Nhra Firebird]

not to mention the spelled "willma" on his name tag with only one "l" to save money...

It was no reason to take the one "l" out of his name... They saved money buying his uniform from the kids department.

[RJWZ28]

I doubt there is a cop in the US who has went six months without getting that hard lesson in life. The best we can do is ruck up and move out.

Yes sir

[Ramairgod84]

i think in 99% of the time, a cop using his gun is only legitimate if there is another lethal weapon involved. Thats kind of like how the border patrol agent shot the kids with rocks. Granted they're different situations, but i think thats how it should be

[jad628]

i think in 99% of the time, a cop using his gun is only legitimate if there is another lethal weapon involved. Thats kind of like how the border patrol agent shot the kids with rocks. Granted they're different situations, but i think thats how it should be

That's pretty close to way it applies; "threat of serious bodily injury or death" needs to be present to use deadly force. But the perception of the threat is the key factor, even if it is proven wrong later. A prime example is a guy in a dark alley pointing a toy gun at you. As long as the circumstances are reasonable, the force is still justified, even if the "weapon" isn't really a weapon at all.

[86 IROC-Z]

That's pretty close to way it applies; "threat of serious bodily injury or death" needs to be present to use deadly force. But the perception of the threat is the key factor, even if it is proven wrong later. A prime example is a guy in a dark alley pointing a toy gun at you. As long as the circumstances are reasonable, the force is still justified, even if the "weapon" isn't really a weapon at all.

This. I saw a video on TV that was showing the police chasing a guy on foot or something, and the guy then turned, took out his cellphone, and held it as if it were a gun and pointed at the officers chasing him, in an attempt to instigate the officers to shoot him (It was dusk and they were unable to tell at their distance it was a cell phone).

Lucky for the guy the cops decided not to shoot him, but I imagine most people in that situation, police officer or not, would act to defend their life.