OffDuty Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Marine 13 times

**cam02ss** · 06-11-2010, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jumper

Relax everyone, this is Baltimore City, one of the biggest shit-holes in America.
A new murder or scandal will replace this in a few hours.

Maryland State Trooper was killed last night in Price George County. He was off duty working security when he escorted an individual out of an Applebees who didn't want to pay his bill. The individual returned a short time later and shot the trooper in the head while he was talking on his cell phone in the parking lot. Needless to say there is a big man hunt going on right now.

**cam02ss** · 06-11-2010, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by pecha

now tell me, what details would warrant shooting at him 13 times?

Who knows in this case. It's been established that it looks grim for this officer. From what I understand he has been close to being fired before.

Now, if a person is hyped up on PCP or whatever other crazy dust they take...who knows. Even if they are 6'3 300 lbs with the adrenaline pumpin, I hope it wouldn't take many .45 rounds to stop the person.

**RJWZ28** · 06-11-2010, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by blackSS01

Only way I can see needing to shoot 13 times to stop the threat was if the guy was on PCP

You never know. There are some big crazy guys out there. Plus the officer missed with about half of his shots. I can see having to shoot a crazed, drug-hyped criminal 6 or 7 times, especially if body armor, bad aim, or an opposing weapon are introduced into the mix. I hope I NEVER need to empty my pistol into one guy to stop him.

On topic, I'm glad to see that this cop will likely be charged. Hopefully they hit him as hard as the law allows; this POS never needs to walk the street again.

**blackSS01** · 06-11-2010, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by RJWZ28

You never know. There are some big crazy guys out there. Plus the officer missed with about half of his shots. I can see having to shoot a crazed, drug-hyped criminal 6 or 7 times, especially if body armor, bad aim, or an opposing weapon are introduced into the mix. I hope I NEVER need to empty my pistol into one guy to stop him.

On topic, I'm glad to see that this cop will likely be charged. Hopefully they hit him as hard as the law allows; this POS never needs to walk the street again.

Point taken good sir

**RJWZ28** · 06-11-2010, 09:18 PM

I was always told in training that the number one priority is going home to my family at the end of the shift. I'd rather be investigated for excessive force for shooting a guy with a pocketknife than be buried for getting my throat slit while going hands on. There is a saying: "Better judged by twelve than carried by six." As long as I am acting in a way that the average reasonable law enforcement officer would in that situation, then I should be fine in court. It is certainly better than second-guessing whether your reaction to a threat is politically correct. Plus my agency has really good lawyers; as long as you don't do anything ridiculous and you tell the truth from the start, they've got your back

**blackSS01** · 06-11-2010, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by RJWZ28

I was always told in training that the number one priority is going home to my family at the end of the shift. I'd rather be investigated for excessive force for shooting a guy with a pocketknife than be buried for getting my throat slit while going hands on. There is a saying: "Better judged by twelve than carried by six." As long as I am acting in a way that the average reasonable law enforcement officer would in that situation, then I should be fine in court. It is certainly better than second-guessing whether your reaction to a threat is politically correct. Plus my agency has really good lawyers; as long as you don't do anything ridiculous and you tell the truth from the start, they've got your back

Was told that in Military Police school

**RJWZ28** · 06-11-2010, 09:24 PM

It's good advice. Not PC, but good nonetheless, if applied properly.

**Z28Thunder** · 06-11-2010, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by RJWZ28

You never know. There are some big crazy guys out there. Plus the officer missed with about half of his shots. I can see having to shoot a crazed, drug-hyped criminal 6 or 7 times, especially if body armor, bad aim, or an opposing weapon are introduced into the mix. I hope I NEVER need to empty my pistol into one guy to stop him.

On topic, I'm glad to see that this cop will likely be charged. Hopefully they hit him as hard as the law allows; this POS never needs to walk the street again.

True but I dont take the Marine (2 tours in Iraq) as a crazed, drug-hyped criminal. Is he getting stereotyped because he is black? I am never against law enforcement as a whole. But just like in civilian life you have your bad apples. I will be glad to say I am wrong if we find out the Marine was a crazed, drug hyped criminal. But I think I will wait until more info is out about what happened. I dont think we can judge for either side until then.

**Z28Thunder** · 06-11-2010, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by RJWZ28

It's good advice. Not PC, but good nonetheless, if applied properly.

Not PC and I got that same training. They also told me to not drink and carry.

**RJWZ28** · 06-11-2010, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Z28Thunder

True but I dont take the Marine (2 tours in Iraq) as a crazed, drug-hyped criminal. Is he getting stereotyped because he is black? I am never against law enforcement as a whole. But just like in civilian life you have your bad apples. I will be glad to say I am wrong if we find out the Marine was a crazed, drug hyped criminal. But I think I will wait until more info is out about what happened. I dont think we can judge for either side until then.

No, I highly doubt that he was doing anything that would warrant that response. I am 100% disturbed by this story. I would not be surprised if he was a little out of line, but should he have been gunned down? Negative. More than likely, the alcohol impaired the already questionable judgement of the officer to the point of no return.

We were also very strongly instructed to NEVER carry while intoxicated. I find that to be an unbelievably stupid course of action.

**Z28Thunder** · 06-11-2010, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by RJWZ28

No, I highly doubt that he was doing anything that would warrant that response. I am 100% disturbed by this story. I would not be surprised if he was a little out of line, but should he have been gunned down? Negative. More than likely, the alcohol impaired the already questionable judgement of the officer to the point of no return.

We were also very strongly instructed to NEVER carry while intoxicated. I find that to be an unbelievably stupid course of action.

I am distrubed also but understand this is the action of one person. The sad part will be many people will say all law enforcement is like this. When it is just the act of one person.

**RJWZ28** · 06-11-2010, 09:54 PM

Exactly. I love my job, but as law enforcement we certainly catch a lot of $hit from the public.

**Z28Thunder** · 06-11-2010, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by RJWZ28

Exactly. I love my job, but as law enforcement we certainly catch a lot of $hit from the public.

I always find it funny, when they dont need you all they do is $itch. Yet when they need you all they do is $itch. Until they have done the job, they have no clue.

**Z28Thunder** · 06-11-2010, 10:25 PM

Police Searching For Off-Duty Officer Involved In Marine's Death...

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/23822265/detail.html

**pecha** · 06-12-2010, 04:44 AM

first of all WTF?!?

In 2001, Tshamba's conduct came into question when he arrested a female driver in part because he didn't like the way she signed a traffic ticket, records showed. The woman was strip-searched during processing at Central Booking. She later sued over the incident and won.

second of all

Tshamba refused to provide detectives with a statement and he declined to take a Breathalyzer test

wow, I didn't know it was an OPTION after you just shot somebody dead while being off-duty

third of all

He was initially placed on administrative paid leave.

that's probably standard procedure for situations like this if they happen ON DUTY, but off duty? why is he being treated differently than a regular citizen?

and to end it all: why the fack wasn't he placed under arrest?

**RJWZ28** · 06-12-2010, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Z28Thunder

I always find it funny, when they dont need you all they do is $itch. Yet when they need you all they do is $itch. Until they have done the job, they have no clue.

I agree 100%, I know that feeling all too well.

This whole thing is a crock. And now it has turned into a manhunt. The situation wasn't already messed up enough; the cop is now nowhere to be found. I hope he gets put away for the rest of his life.

**Z28Thunder** · 06-12-2010, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by RJWZ28

I agree 100%, I know that feeling all too well.

This whole thing is a crock. And now it has turned into a manhunt. The situation wasn't already messed up enough; the cop is now nowhere to be found. I hope he gets put away for the rest of his life.

Yeah they are now saying

Arrest Warrant Issued For Gahiji Tshamba

Police said the off-duty officer shot and killed Brown after Brown allegedly groped Tshamba's female companion.

Police said so far, they have found no evidence indicating that Tshamba's life was in danger when he fired the shots. Authorities said the officer still hasn't talked with them.

And as you have stated can not be found now..

**krusemj** · 06-13-2010, 07:50 AM

While I agree that this guy is lowlife who doesn't represent cops as a whole, What really disturbs me is why was this piece of crap allowed to decline to take a breathalyzer. Would I as a regular citizen have been able to just decline to take one. If not than there is problem with this police dept that goes higher than this one crappy cop. It is stories like this of cops getting special treatment that I think pisses most people of about cops. If you are entrusted with enforcing the laws of this country than you need to be held to the same if not higher standard

**Mieux97** · 06-13-2010, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by 86 IROC-Z

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/23810790/detail.html

The officer declined to take an alcohol breath test? So the shooter gets the option?

Here in the Chi...there is no option. An off duty officer must take the breath test.

**Mieux97** · 06-13-2010, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Zinergy

This cop should be killed, 2 tours in Iraq means more to us as Americans than anything this cop ever did. He killed a better American because he was either A.) clearly to scared to fight with fists or because B.) hes a little bitch cop who like almost every other forgets they are just civilians with a badge and goes right for the extreme circumstance. If this wasnt a cop he would have been BAC tested with or without consent and he would be in jail and the court case would be on its way. They are no more above the law and have no more rights than anyone else and when shit like this happens idk why its not treated like any other case where a pussy shoots an unarmed man because he is threatened by him and can't take the fact that he might be physically weaker.

Hmmmm.....I disagree. Being in the military does not make one a better American. There are many cops out on the street who do their part for this country on the homefront, tho this one appeared to have a serious alcohol issue.

Cops are NOT just civilians with a badge, they are sworn officers of the law that are given the powers bestowed upon them by the government albeit local, state or federal. If a cop is just a civilian with a badge, then what is an American soldier.....a guy with a gun and a uniform?

I agree, no one is or should be above the law, but depending on where you live and in many, many cases, cops on trial get it WORSE than the average person because they are supposedly held to a higher standard. Tho union, by-laws and others crap make it extremely hard to fire a cop, I'd be surprised if he does not get fired.