Taxes, do we have to pay them?

**Tonik** · 11-25-2009, 05:04 PM

Also... Political/Debate Forum?

**Modulistic** · 11-25-2009, 05:09 PM

taxes, just like military service, are voluntary. once you sign up for the military, what the sarge tells you becomes mandatory. The same is true for taxes. There is a legal way to not pay taxes, and it is to not have income. Income is defined as profit or gain. You must trade your labor for good and valuable considerations and not deal with dollars and bills of credit. you will also forfeit the benefits of the communist lifestyle that you have grown accustomed to. If you have a social security number, pay your damn taxes. You volunteered for them and the benefits that come from them.

**krese** · 11-25-2009, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Tonik

If you think I'm uneducated for not knowing/caring about politics/government, I think you're uneducated for not grasping the finer concepts of Differential Equations or Vector Calculus.

if you spouted out something about vector calculus and i said i don't want to look it up but you must be wrong then i'd be lazy and uneducated on the subject.

**86 IROC-Z** · 11-25-2009, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by krese

prolly too dumb to get a job so you had to go in to the armed forces..

**krese** · 11-25-2009, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by 86 IROC-Z

yeah, i apologize for that... that was wrong to say. i guess i'm tooooooo political these days and get upset tooooo easy especially when i get toooo much soco in me... sorry for that.

**Tonik** · 11-25-2009, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by krese

if you spouted out something about vector calculus and i said i don't want to look it up but you must be wrong then i'd be lazy and uneducated on the subject.

You're special.

The retarded kind.

**infantryws6** · 11-25-2009, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by krese

funny, you defend a constitution that you know NOTHING about.... prolly too dumb to get a job so you had to go in to the armed forces.. thank you for your duty from the bottom of my heart for serving.. but please learn what you defend.

You have proved you are an idiot. Read the link you provided it proves you wrong. If you want to thank me go find a tall building and jump off.

I am sure the entire military is proud to serve an idiot like you who thinks they were all "too dumb to get a job" and only do this job because they have to. I wish I was smart enough to do your job instead of leading hundreds of soldiers and being in charge of millions of dollars of equipment.

**krese** · 11-25-2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by infantryws6

You have proved you are an idiot. Read the link you provided it proves you wrong. If you want to thank me go find a tall building and jump off.

I am sure the entire military is proud to serve an idiot like you who thinks they were all "too dumb to get a job" and only do this job because they have to. I wish I was smart enough to do your job instead of leading hundreds of soldiers and being in charge of millions of dollars of equipment.

show me where exactly the link proves me wrong?

**infantryws6** · 11-25-2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by krese

show me where exactly the link proves me wrong?

The Tenth Amendment is similar to an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation: "Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."[1] After the Constitution was ratified, some wanted to add a similar amendment limiting the federal government to powers "expressly" delegated, which would have denied implied powers.[2] However, the word "expressly" ultimately did not appear in the Tenth Amendment as ratified, and therefore the Tenth Amendment did not amend the Necessary and Proper Clause.

The Tenth Amendment, which makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited only to the powers granted in the Constitution, is generally recognized to be a truism. In United States v. Sprague (1931) the Supreme Court noted that the amendment "added nothing to the [Constitution] as originally ratified."

From time to time states and local governments have attempted to assert exemption from various federal regulations, especially in the areas of labor and environmental controls, using the Tenth Amendment as a basis for their claim. An often-repeated quote, from United States v. Darby, 312 U.S. 100, 124 (1941), reads as follows:

The amendment states but a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered. There is nothing in the history of its adoption to suggest that it was more than declaratory of the relationship between the national and state governments as it had been established by the Constitution before the amendment or that its purpose was other than to allay fears that the new national government might seek to exercise powers not granted, and that the states might not be able to exercise fully their reserved powers.....

**supercopone** · 11-25-2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by supercopone

I finished reading a book not to long ago about taxes. I was an eye opener, it was writen by a retired IRS agent. He spent his whole 20 plus years while working for the IRS tring to find a way to show where they gained there power from, he said they were an illeagly formed corporation that was incorporated in Delaware in 1922. The goverment had to do it this way to skirt the constitution cause it does not allow the feds to collect taxes. There is not one law he said on the books to enforce the collection of taxes and prosecute evaders. They have written there on laws that have never been approved by congress. I could go and on about the stuff in the book, but I dont want to sound like a nut job. Im gonna pay my taxes, I dont want to go to prison.
Is this in anyway true, I did a lot of searching on the net and theres a lot of info to back this stuff up.

Originally Posted by 86 IROC-Z

Try not paying your taxes and let us know how that works out for you

Originally Posted by 0rion

you don't HAVE to pay them....lots of people don't pay them. They're called criminals or illegals.

Originally Posted by Smittro

Nope you don't have to...... Let us know how that works out for ya in about 3 to 5...

I guess no one reads these post, they only get worked up into a mob and act stupid, I asked a question, but thanks for all the non-usefull info.
I never said I was not going to pay my taxes, I said I was going to pay them so I dont go to prison...

Originally Posted by Tonik

Also... Political/Debate Forum?

I though about this but its not really a political thing, but thanks for trying to call me out and make ur self look smart, if its in the wrong spot the mod will move it for us.

**supercopone** · 11-25-2009, 05:52 PM

It is a fact that the IRS is Incorporated company ,it was filed in Delware in 1922...this is a fact. So why, why does the goverment not just form the IRS, why do they need to side step and do this?

**0rion** · 11-25-2009, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by supercopone

I guess no one reads these post, they only get worked up into a mob and act stupid, I asked a question, but thanks for all the non-usefull info.
I never said I was not going to pay my taxes, I said I was going to pay them so I dont go to prison...

I though about this but its not really a political thing, but thanks for trying to call me out and make ur self look smart, if its in the wrong spot the mod will move it for us.

I'll do you one better.