wednesday test... large hadron collider...

**Spaz** · 09-09-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by grouch0jr

its similar, its like looking at head on crash, in that the analyze the debris to figure out what the components were.

it's not even close to that either... i guess tehy put it that way for people who can't grasp the concept or why they are doing it...

**grouch0jr** · 09-09-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Spaz

it's not even close to that either... i guess tehy put it that way for people who can't grasp the concept or why they are doing it...

haha, that is totaly what they do with particle accelerators. they blast shit together and see what goes flyin off.

**Spaz** · 09-09-2008, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by grouch0jr

haha, that is totaly what they do with particle accelerators. they blast shit together and see what goes flyin off.

yeah... but never on this level...

**grouch0jr** · 09-09-2008, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Spaz

yeah... but never on this level...

agreed, its bad ass when you really think about it

**Spaz** · 09-09-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by grouch0jr

agreed, its bad ass when you really think about it

it's a bit scary as well... not knowing the consequence... so many things are posible... maybe we will be able to unlock the reason of why we grow old and die... we would find a way live forever... i for one do not want to live for ever... but maybe if something like that were to come of this we may also know the reasons of death... maybe we will find an unlimited energy source... that could cause the collapse of an economy world wide... fear drives us...

**grouch0jr** · 09-09-2008, 09:09 PM

i remember when they were talking about creating tiny black holes and the possibilities of collapsing the entire planet earth into it. there wasnt a good chance, but there still was a chance, and its nuts to think about.

**Spaz** · 09-09-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by grouch0jr

i remember when they were talking about creating tiny black holes and the possibilities of collapsing the entire planet earth into it. there wasnt a good chance, but there still was a chance, and its nuts to think about.

even a tiny black hole like the one they are making has the potential weight greater than our earth... a typical size black hole is estimated to be the size of a soft ball... and it's weight would be trifling...

**6-Speeder** · 09-09-2008, 09:35 PM

Ive read that it would create numerous TINY black holes that would last only milliseconds before collapsing on themselves, the longest lasting maybe a few seconds. According to the guy that did the calculations but even he was unsure of them being 100% correct. However if it did somehow just survive it would grow slowly and this is were the end of the world scenario comes in that it just sucks the whole planet in on itself. Anyone know what time they are going to flip the switch?

**ibanez7** · 09-09-2008, 10:13 PM

CERN LHC, black hole creation fact or fiction?

good vid...

vid showing the black hole, behavior....

the answer regarding it being possible fact or just BS fiction.
yes many do believe a black hole will be created. Some feel the black hole will not last but more then a nano second because the black hole will not have the energy to grow. Some feel the black hole will grow and consume causing it to grow more, destroying everything. Will it destroy the universe, no. could it destroy the earth, who knows!

regardless, there is little to no facts to provide an accurate outcome without performing the test. Everything is based off of theories and hypothesis (an educated guess).

then again destruction is what we might get in search of the "God particle," the Higgs particle

TIME: LHC First Beam - 10th September 2008 - 9am CEST (GMT+2)

**ibanez7** · 09-09-2008, 10:16 PM

what is a black hole:

http://cosmology.berkeley.edu/Education/BHfaq.html

What would happen to me if I fell into a black hole?
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Let's suppose that you get into your spaceship and point it straight towards the million-solar-mass black hole in the center of our galaxy. (Actually, there's some debate about whether our galaxy contains a central black hole, but let's assume it does for the moment.) Starting from a long way away from the black hole, you just turn off your rockets and coast in. What happens?

At first, you don't feel any gravitational forces at all. Since you're in free fall, every part of your body and your spaceship is being pulled in the same way, and so you feel weightless. (This is exactly the same thing that happens to astronauts in Earth orbit: even though both astronauts and space shuttle are being pulled by the Earth's gravity, they don't feel any gravitational force because everything is being pulled in exactly the same way.) As you get closer and closer to the center of the hole, though, you start to feel "tidal" gravitational forces. Imagine that your feet are closer to the center than your head. The gravitational pull gets stronger as you get closer to the center of the hole, so your feet feel a stronger pull than your head does. As a result you feel "stretched." (This force is called a tidal force because it is exactly like the forces that cause tides on earth.) These tidal forces get more and more intense as you get closer to the center, and eventually they will rip you apart.

For a very large black hole like the one you're falling into, the tidal forces are not really noticeable until you get within about 600,000 kilometers of the center. Note that this is after you've crossed the horizon. If you were falling into a smaller black hole, say one that weighed as much as the Sun, tidal forces would start to make you quite uncomfortable when you were about 6000 kilometers away from the center, and you would have been torn apart by them long before you crossed the horizon. (That's why we decided to let you jump into a big black hole instead of a small one: we wanted you to survive at least until you got inside.)

What do you see as you are falling in? Surprisingly, you don't necessarily see anything particularly interesting. Images of faraway objects may be distorted in strange ways, since the black hole's gravity bends light, but that's about it. In particular, nothing special happens at the moment when you cross the horizon. Even after you've crossed the horizon, you can still see things on the outside: after all, the light from the things on the outside can still reach you. No one on the outside can see you, of course, since the light from you can't escape past the horizon.

How long does the whole process take? Well, of course, it depends on how far away you start from. Let's say you start at rest from a point whose distance from the singularity is ten times the black hole's radius. Then for a million-solar-mass black hole, it takes you about 8 minutes to reach the horizon. Once you've gotten that far, it takes you only another seven seconds to hit the singularity. By the way, this time scales with the size of the black hole, so if you'd jumped into a smaller black hole, your time of death would be that much sooner.

Once you've crossed the horizon, in your remaining seven seconds, you might panic and start to fire your rockets in a desperate attempt to avoid the singularity. Unfortunately, it's hopeless, since the singularity lies in your future, and there's no way to avoid your future. In fact, the harder you fire your rockets, the sooner you hit the singularity. It's best just to sit back and enjoy the ride.

**ibanez7** · 09-09-2008, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Spaz

it's a bit scary as well... not knowing the consequence... so many things are posible... maybe we will be able to unlock the reason of why we grow old and die... we would find a way live forever... i for one do not want to live for ever... but maybe if something like that were to come of this we may also know the reasons of death... maybe we will find an unlimited energy source... that could cause the collapse of an economy world wide... fear drives us...

it is so very true. I remember watching an interview with author Stephen King, he is afraid to fly. he believes people are not meant to fly, however its their/our fear of flying that keeps the plane aloft.

**ibanez7** · 09-09-2008, 10:42 PM

live webcast link to the first beam!!

http://webcast.cern.ch/index.html

**G-6155 Interceptor** · 09-09-2008, 10:50 PM

I'm impressed, 8 pages of posts and nobody has referred to it as the Large Hardon Collider.

**JoshieDoom** · 09-10-2008, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by Spaz

better to chance blowing up worthless france than a state like TX...

+1

awaiting epic dooming!

**Spaz** · 09-10-2008, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by G-6155 Interceptor

I'm impressed, 8 pages of posts and nobody has referred to it as the Large Hardon Collider.

umm... check your eyes bud... it's in the title of the thread...

**Spaz** · 09-10-2008, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by ibanez7

live webcast link to the first beam!!

http://webcast.cern.ch/index.html

damn it!!! they are having problems with the optics now...

**Spaz** · 09-10-2008, 05:41 AM

jebus... this particle should be going around that ring at about 11,000 times per second...

**86 IROC-Z** · 09-10-2008, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by G-6155 Interceptor

I'm impressed, 8 pages of posts and nobody has referred to it as the Large Hardon Collider.

Originally Posted by Spaz

umm... check your eyes bud... it's in the title of the thread...

Reread his post... He was saying that no one made the joke of saying, the large HARDON Collider.

**86 IROC-Z** · 09-10-2008, 06:15 AM

Also, I'm going to be pissed if some douche bags destroy the world with their 20 mile long circle... they need to do that shit on Mars.... or atleast wait until after the weekend.

**transamprincess98** · 09-10-2008, 06:23 AM

The third gen is NOT pink. The car is black. Once it's resprayed over the winter it will be PPG midnight black. It will make Spaz's car and Shady's car look gray

BTW still waiting for Spaz to implode or something equally is horrible