Official: No New Firebird

**Cheviac2K** · 06-26-2008, 11:47 AM

True nostalgia dictates that Camaro emerges first. Never say never to a good name on a car, they will probably release new Firebirds. Question is will we want one. The poor man's vette was real, but what if congress, in effect, outlaws performance vehicles? A 6 cyl inline hybrid vette?!

**El Toro Loco** · 07-07-2008, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by TmaxicanA

gm is no where near screwed, they have there trucks. and the sweet new malibu, corvettes, RWD impala will be cool to. heck I would be fine with just a v6 camaro (personal opinion) with 300 HP that's awesome! long live gm! down with ford

bro have you seen the price of gas lately

, trucks and suv's are the fastest declining market rite now. they are gm's money maker and they arent selling I live in deep south texas where all people do is buy trucks and they arent selling the lots are full. gm needs to do something quick cause the mablibu and impallas are nice but they just dont appeal to the younger buyer 21-40 as the f-bods did. they need a sports car that has power performance and the same gas mileage as the vette25-30 hwy miles but in the price range the f-bods were

**99WS6RAMAIR** · 07-07-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by El Toro Loco

bro have you seen the price of gas lately

, trucks and suv's are the fastest declining market rite now. they are gm's money maker and they arent selling I live in deep south texas where all people do is buy trucks and they arent selling the lots are full. gm needs to do something quick cause the mablibu and impallas are nice but they just dont appeal to the younger buyer 21-40 as the f-bods did. they need a sports car that has power performance and the same gas mileage as the vette25-30 hwy miles but in the price range the f-bods were

GM is closing some truck production plants already. The Malibu's are too expensive especially the LTZ (might as well buy a CTS). They already have a car with the performance and mileage of the f-body. It's called the G8.

**Ls1_385hp_T/A** · 07-07-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by 99WS6RAMAIR

GM is closing some truck production plants already. The Malibu's are too expensive especially the LTZ (might as well buy a CTS). They already have a car with the performance and mileage of the f-body. It's called the G8.

That g8 only appeals to people with families cuz it really doesnt appeal to me or any others my age.

**Rosie25** · 07-07-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by LS1buckey

our cars are not even classified as muscle cars.

Manufacturer General Motors
Successor None
Class Muscle Car
Body style(s) 2-door convertible 1969, 1991-2002
2-door coupe 1969-1981
3-door liftback 1982-2002
Platform F-body

Production 1969-2002

They are indeed a muscle car.

**Sunset T/A** · 07-07-2008, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Too Fast

Just means that as our cars get even more rare, more people will wonder "WTF was that that just passed me!!!!"

Wonderful news to people that have bought the last ones. I am so glad to hear this news. My 02 T/A will truly be the last. That was my reason for buying it.

**Jeronimo** · 07-07-2008, 03:59 PM

'nough said

**99WS6RAMAIR** · 07-07-2008, 05:38 PM

No discernable difference between 98-02 so they're pretty much all the last ones.

**terrytheexpert** · 07-20-2008, 02:11 AM

Well, since my other topic got closed, i had no idea that this topic was about the 2010 bird, anyway i googled 2010 firebird and i actually found some pics, it does look like a camaro, and i must say, its sad looking....

http://michaelsabatini.org/2010_Fire...op_800x473.jpg

**94rt10ohio** · 07-20-2008, 06:03 AM

There are NO plans from GM for a 10 bird. If I were you I would contact Michael Sabantini and ask how long he has been playing with photoshop. Do not get your info from .org sites

http://blogs.highperformancepontiac....med/index.html

**LS1buckey** · 07-20-2008, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Rosie25

Manufacturer General Motors
Successor None
Class Muscle Car
Body style(s) 2-door convertible 1969, 1991-2002
2-door coupe 1969-1981
3-door liftback 1982-2002
Platform F-body

Production 1969-2002

They are indeed a muscle car.

I love these cars but "I" am not going to consider them muscle cars That trend stoped when emissions regulations started to come into play. I classify them as (performance/sports cars) but thats just my opnion.

**terrytheexpert** · 07-20-2008, 02:24 PM

well didn't really get the info. from there, thats just what popped up when i googled pics of 2010 firebird.

**BirdCountry02** · 08-06-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by LIGHTNINGMCQUEEN

Well everyone has a different definition to what makes a car a "Muscle Car". Some people consider the older corvettes to be muscle cars and some dont. It is my opinion and belief that our LS1's and LT1's are true Muscle cars along with the classics. Whats the difference really? one is carborated and the other fuel injected (and crap load of computer and sensory). WHen the new Camaro comes out or the challenger, id say those are muscle cars as well. I had a dispute with a friend last week that said whatever V8 they put in the camaro is going to have Cylinder shutoff where it goes from 4 to 8. Now i understand his point but if you like the look of the car but dont like the cylinder changing thing then im sure they will have an aftermarket tune that will make it run on 8 all the time. I dont know if it exists but im sure someones come up with it or will. So at the moment you do that.....voila!! instant Muscle car! that of course depends on a persons opinion of what a muscle car is.

Sorry for the long post.....just thought it was an interesting topic.

As for a new bird, someone put it perfectly. It's bittersweet. I want it back, but i don't wanna crappy rebadged camaro and the 02's ended it perfectly for me. I believe the trans ams were muscle cars, almost multiplatformed. Muscle/pony/sports cars. i don't care what you call it, its bad ass. to me, thats all that matters. but with cafe coming soon they're all in danger, and you won't wanna shut off the cylinder deactivation just to call it muscle, gas is rising too much. and the manuals aren't getting the cylinder shut off, they're getting the great "skip-shift" like that found in the 98-02's(not sure if the early 4th gens had it too). but if you have an m6, you all know how to bypass that if wanted, just put it to the floor

**wabmorgan** · 08-07-2008, 06:16 PM

As much as I would like the bird to return... I think it to be unlikely. I also wouldn't want it to be a rebadged retro Camaro either.

Given the high price of ga$.... I think even the new Camaro will be short lived.

The future looks bleak for preformance cars... espically for the cheaper ones.

The vette may surrvive... I doubt the rest will.

**Mr. Luos** · 08-07-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by LS1buckey

I love these cars but "I" am not going to consider them muscle cars That trend stoped when emissions regulations started to come into play. I classify them as (performance/sports cars) but thats just my opnion.

Not heavy enough to be a 'muscle car.'

I call our cars 'pony cars.'

**blackmetal** · 08-07-2008, 11:59 PM

jkicak is right on. As good looking as the new Challenger is the SRT8 is rated at 425 hp, but weighs over 4000 lbs (70-74 weighed 3390) the 0-60 time is in the nieghbor hood of 5.1 the LS1 T/As and Camaros can do it in 5.3 with an hp rating of 320. So 95 more horses = .2 faster 0-60 WTF? The 2010 Camaro is rated between 400-422 hp with an expected price tag of about $28k, roughly the cost of a Challenger RT not SRT thats $41k the Challenger is just as its name implies a "challenger" all show no go. The new Camaro wont look as good but it'll suck the headlights right out of the Challenger SRT and I wont even glorify the Mustang by going into it's shitty numbers.

**BirdCountry02** · 08-08-2008, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

Not heavy enough to be a 'muscle car.'

I call our cars 'pony cars.'

Actually, now that i think of it i agree. sports cars to me are the corvette/viper style. high performance and pricey. Muscle to me's heavier/3700-4000 but still got pick up. Pony's the perfect catagory. right where it started, lighter than muscle, cheaper than sports, but rivaling performance. and word is the 2010 mustangs getting a 6.2 liter engine with stats rivaling the camaro, so those 2 are gonna be goin at it

**99WS6RAMAIR** · 08-09-2008, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by BirdCountry02

Actually, now that i think of it i agree. sports cars to me are the corvette/viper style. high performance and pricey. Muscle to me's heavier/3700-4000 but still got pick up. Pony's the perfect catagory. right where it started, lighter than muscle, cheaper than sports, but rivaling performance. and word is the 2010 mustangs getting a 6.2 liter engine with stats rivaling the camaro, so those 2 are gonna be goin at it

Yeah, just that no one will be able to afford th gas to drive them lol!

What category should we use for the new Challenger at 4200lbs?

**BirdCountry02** · 08-18-2008, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by 99WS6RAMAIR

Yeah, just that no one will be able to afford th gas to drive them lol!

What category should we use for the new Challenger at 4200lbs?

well its more modern muscle, don't know what'd be the best catagory but on a lighter note they just tested the production 6 and 8 cylinder challenger models. 0-60? for srt8 manual, 5.5. not too bad, but whats horribles the 6's 0-60 a staggering 8.1 seconds. the civic si's quicker with a 7.2. thats a shame, even for the base.

**99WS6RAMAIR** · 08-19-2008, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by BirdCountry02

well its more modern muscle, don't know what'd be the best catagory but on a lighter note they just tested the production 6 and 8 cylinder challenger models. 0-60? for srt8 manual, 5.5. not too bad, but whats horribles the 6's 0-60 a staggering 8.1 seconds. the civic si's quicker with a 7.2. thats a shame, even for the base.

Yeah that really sucks when the SRT-8 with over 100 more hp can't even beat the performance numbers of a 10 year old LS1 and for way more money lol!