just totalled a cobalt cuz it sucks

**Toyota h8r** · 10-02-2007, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by 9t8z28

X2!!!

x3
it comes down to you(ATC) being used to a tank with wide tires, when you swerved in the cobalt it reacted violently. Light car with skinny tires takes a different type of driving than an a F-body.....i found that out the hard way....just not as bad as you ATC.

Also, i am damn proud i hunt, grew up doing it.....

Keeping deer population down so no more people hit deer then need to> It will happen, but more hunters....less car vs deer accidents

**9t8z28** · 10-02-2007, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Toyota h8r

x3
it comes down to you(ATC) being used to a tank with wide tires, when you swerved in the cobalt it reacted violently. Light car with skinny tires takes a different type of driving than an a F-body.....i found that out the hard way....just not as bad as you ATC.

Also, i am damn proud i hunt, grew up doing it.....

Keeping deer population down so no more people hit deer then need to> It will happen, but more hunters....less car vs deer accidents

Hell yeah! Pa incourages deer hunting cause theres to damn many of em..

**Toyota h8r** · 10-02-2007, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by 9t8z28

Hell yeah! Pa incourages deer hunting cause theres to damn many of em..

Im surprised i haven't heard from pita owner or left winger telling me the usual bullshit about i shouldn't have a gun or how evil i am for killing bambi. I say this......SCREW OFF!
Its either i take a deer humainly or it gets ripped apart and endangers human life by being overpopulated.

**KyleLs1** · 10-02-2007, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Toyota h8r

Im surprised i haven't heard from pita owner or left winger telling me the usual bullshit about i shouldn't have a gun or how evil i am for killing bambi. I say this......SCREW OFF!
Its either i take a deer humainly or it gets ripped apart and endangers human life by being overpopulated.

you know what PETA stands for right?
People Eating Tasty Animals

**ATCharming** · 10-02-2007, 07:07 PM

kill all deers!!! (yes i said deers lol)

i dont hunt, but thats just cuz i dont relaly hang out with anyone that does, or have a gun, and i live in a subdivision... but i would probably if i had the chance to

**Hot Black Trans-Am** · 10-02-2007, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Toyota h8r

x3
it comes down to you(ATC) being used to a tank with wide tires, when you swerved in the cobalt it reacted violently. Light car with skinny tires takes a different type of driving than an a F-body.....i found that out the hard way....just not as bad as you ATC.

Also, i am damn proud i hunt, grew up doing it.....

Keeping deer population down so no more people hit deer then need to> It will happen, but more hunters....less car vs deer accidents

Not to mention how much more twitchy and unsteady fwd is compared to rwd when you yank the wheel a bit. I have fwd as much as ATC hates deer now.

**Toyota h8r** · 10-02-2007, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by KyleLs1

you know what PETA stands for right?
People Eating Tasty Animals

LOL i love that one! never gets old!

Also about the fwd car deal....i forgot about the twitchy feel.....

no weight almost in rear of car
+
crap rear suspention
+
usual 195mm or 205mm tires
+
light car
+
hard jerk
=
most of time loss of control(atleast im most peoples case)

I have learned better after spinning a cobalt........i drive a carb'd trans am for a reason lol!

**ATCharming** · 10-02-2007, 09:05 PM

exactly!!! u guys get it. i actually feel safer in a 300hp rwd 3000lb car. no joke...

i honestly felt safer in my thirdgen... i guarantee u i would not have rolled oreven hit the ditch in my thirdgen, but IF i had rolled i would have been dead in it.

fwd sucks soo bad. god i hate it... i actually am scared to drive fwd cars with crappy suspensions now. ive always told myself i have better control with a rwd car, but ppl always say fwd is safer... i have proven it to myself now

**Hot Black Trans-Am** · 10-02-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by ATCharming

exactly!!! u guys get it. i actually feel safer in a 300hp rwd 3000lb car. no joke...

i honestly felt safer in my thirdgen... i guarantee u i would not have rolled oreven hit the ditch in my thirdgen, but IF i had rolled i would have been dead in it.

fwd sucks soo bad. god i hate it... i actually am scared to drive fwd cars with crappy suspensions now. ive always told myself i have better control with a rwd car, but ppl always say fwd is safer... i have proven it to myself now

fwd being safer is a myth. Once you get used to rwd you never want to go fwd. I almost smashed my wifes car into the curb a couple of times from doing stupid shit while driving and grabbing the wheel and the car would jump over and I'm like "OH SHIT" and the wife goes "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!?!?!" then I say "f'ing fwd!" She only drove a rwd couple of times so she doesn't understand.

**ATCharming** · 10-02-2007, 09:11 PM

i dont see how ppl dont understand that... another thing, if its icy out, and u lose control in a fwd car, ur just gonna go in the direction ur sliding no matter what u do... so basically ur just fucked. in rwd, u actually have the chance to countersteer etc

**ATCharming** · 10-02-2007, 09:11 PM

both my parents think fwd is safer... shows how much they know about cars...

**Hot Black Trans-Am** · 10-02-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by ATCharming

i dont see how ppl dont understand that... another thing, if its icy out, and u lose control in a fwd car, ur just gonna go in the direction ur sliding no matter what u do... so basically ur just fucked. in rwd, u actually have the chance to countersteer etc

Taking a corner on ice with fwd goes like this, pop it in neutral, tweak the steering wheel the way you want to go, hold the release button in and pull the parking break and just before your at the angle you want drop parking break down, pop back in gear, smash gas and go.

**Toyota h8r** · 10-02-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by ATCharming

exactly!!! u guys get it. i actually feel safer in a 300hp rwd 3000lb car. no joke...

i honestly felt safer in my thirdgen... i guarantee u i would not have rolled oreven hit the ditch in my thirdgen, but IF i had rolled i would have been dead in it.

fwd sucks soo bad. god i hate it... i actually am scared to drive fwd cars with crappy suspensions now. ive always told myself i have better control with a rwd car, but ppl always say fwd is safer... i have proven it to myself now

Best friend rolled a t-top camaro....1988 z28. Going about 100 when tire let loose, car slid off the e-way and rim dug in. Car flipped some where around 3-5 times(cant tell). Car was demolished, windshield flattened, t-tops blown out, hatch popped. and the doors wouldnt open All he had was a concussion! He had apc cloth racing seats, a roll bar(rear seat delete duh), 5 pt harness. Officer gave him shit about not using factory belts.....but said you'd prolly be dead if not for the 5 pt ones.

I have to see if i can find the pics but they were on my old computer so im not holding breath.

**ATCharming** · 10-02-2007, 09:16 PM

yea a roll bar is a must for me now just cuz im paranoid. id imagine without a roll bar, if i rolled with ttops the ttops would immediately come off and my head would be smashed into the ground

**Toyota h8r** · 10-02-2007, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by ATCharming

yea a roll bar is a must for me now just cuz im paranoid. id imagine without a roll bar, if i rolled with ttops the ttops would immediately come off and my head would be smashed into the ground

well no i wouldnt go and get a roll bar right now....i mean how many times do you see 100+mph? On a e-way that is crappy and unleveled in turns? The third gens hold up soooo much better than 4th gens in roll overs ive seen.

I know for a fact, dads best friend owns a junkyard......i see things that most people dont. Some cars come in that they have to cut up and scrap because of the blood and carnage! A white Lt1 Z28 came in that flipped and was flat as a pancake! The tow truck driver said that police estimated she had lost it on a country road doing 60-70 mph, that night it was stripped and scrapped! Multiple third gens are there from accidents and took HEAVY HITS! 9 outta 10 people walked away from them. One of many reasons i will NEVER drive a lil pos fwd car, plastic bodies, fwd, and etc.....

Yah you save gas mileage.......at what cost though?

Ill stick to my third gens

**ATCharming** · 10-02-2007, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Toyota h8r

well no i wouldnt go and get a roll bar right now....i mean how many times do you see 100+mph? On a e-way that is crappy and unleveled in turns? The third gens hold up soooo much better than 4th gens in roll overs ive seen.

I know for a fact, dads best friend owns a junkyard......i see things that most people dont. Some cars come in that they have to cut up and scrap because of the blood and carnage! A white Lt1 Z28 came in that flipped and was flat as a pancake! The tow truck driver said that police estimated she had lost it on a country road doing 60-70 mph, that night it was stripped and scrapped! Multiple third gens are there from accidents and took HEAVY HITS! 9 outta 10 people walked away from them. One of many reasons i will NEVER drive a lil pos fwd car, plastic bodies, fwd, and etc.....

Yah you save gas mileage.......at what cost though?

Ill stick to my third gens

no im not gonna go get a roll bar right now. but i dont have a car right now. im buying a 4th gen ls1 fbody, so i will probably put a roll bar into it. its not about going 100+ its about a rollover at all... i rolled at 50mph and almost died. im gonna be paranoid about it for a while

**Toyota h8r** · 10-02-2007, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by ATCharming

no im not gonna go get a roll bar right now. but i dont have a car right now. im buying a 4th gen ls1 fbody, so i will probably put a roll bar into it. its not about going 100+ its about a rollover at all... i rolled at 50mph and almost died. im gonna be paranoid about it for a while

ahhh the third gens gone now?