tard in a supra

last night on the way home from the gym midnight or so i pull up beside a supra. pretty rare around here. so i'm all excited hoping he will jump on me we roll out from the light and then he hits it w/ no warning. so i pursue. it takes no time to pass him and put like 3 or 4 cars on him. all the while i hear no turbo. he cathes back up and i gear down to third. we are now running like 55 and i roll down the window and signal to go again. he tries again this time i run up to 110 w/4+ cars on him. he does a fly by when i slowed down to 70. but i see he is turning off toward my house so i catch up and try to get him to pull in to a gas station. the Dick filps me off and hits a right at the light.

this is why i don't usually run imports because i just wanted to see what he had in his car. he was the one that started it. i just wanted a look at his car because i know they can be killer cars. and i respect that.

but don't run me then get all mad cuase you lost. :unhappy: thats why we have a lack of respect for most ricers. if you win you are all big and bad and if you loose you want to bit_h and complain. so have some respect and give a thumbs up or a wave:hi: . in turn we'll do the same!

no kidding, what a dork

Yea there was a NA supra around my town for a little while, all my dumb rice buddies thought it was the baddest thing ever. The guy never raced it because he new it had no balls and would get smoked by most decently quick cars in town.

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Originally Posted by hutch1999

Yea there was a NA supra around my town for a little while, all my dumb rice buddies thought it was the baddest thing ever. The guy never raced it because he new it had no balls and would get smoked by most decently quick cars in town.

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Seen those, but just remember, their stock bottom end can handle upto 1000hp, so I give them that... The big single turbo ones can run 10's like it's nothing.

amazing cars.

like i said i respect the car. it can be a beast. i just got no respect for the re-tard behind the wheel! if i see him again i'll.......:slap: ! or maybe a nice...:tap:

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Originally Posted by MikeSomething

Seen those, but just remember, their stock bottom end can handle upto 1000hp, so I give them that... The big single turbo ones can run 10's like it's nothing.

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I know, but when its stock its slow, the cars have potential i give them that

how much do they got stock?

stock TT supra is about even with stock ls1, i hear they are detuned though and can make 340-350rwhp just by removing shit for basicly free.

Supras are a riceboys wet dream, they dyno at about 270hp stock and are dogs. Why anybody would pay $40,000 for a stock one I have no idea.

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Originally Posted by Lakewood

Supras are a riceboys wet dream, they dyno at about 270hp stock and are dogs. Why anybody would pay $40,000 for a stock one I have no idea.

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They dyno at about the same as a LS1 and the TT are not dogs, its anybody's race stock for stock.

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Originally Posted by jomo

They dyno at about the same as a LS1 and the TT are not dogs, its anybody's race stock for stock.

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Not really. They only dyno around ~270WHP stock, and it takes an excellent driver to run one of those cars to their potential. And with the stock turbos, they run out of breath in the top end. Its can be a close race, but the edge definitely goes to the LS1.

LS1 > 2JZ-GTE :yup:

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Originally Posted by MikeSomething

Seen those, but just remember, their stock bottom end can handle upto 1000hp, so I give them that... The big single turbo ones can run 10's like it's nothing.

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And you can buy the new GM LSX block that holds 2500HP no problem.

Not impressed by Supras.

And by the time you get to that 1000HP limit, you could have spent half as much money to make the same amount of power with a V8, and it wouldn't be a dyno queen, either.

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Originally Posted by Wesman

Not really. They only dyno around ~270WHP stock, and it takes an excellent driver to run one of those cars to their potential. And with the stock turbos, they run out of breath in the top end. Its can be a close race, but the edge definitely goes to the LS1.

LS1 > 2JZ-GTE :yup:

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LOL..you have no idea what you are talking about. I have had 4 MKIV Supras. Every single one of them has dynoed over 300 rwhp STOCK. They dyno the same as stock LS1 engined cars. Stock turbos run out of breath top end? There are stock turbos pushing 450 to 500 rwhp. At least get the facts straight before talking trash.

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stock TT supra is about even with stock ls1, i hear they are detuned though and can make 340-350rwhp just by removing shit for basicly free....

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If any engine is detuned from the factory, it's the LSX engine. Without removing anything, in fact, without even opening the hood, I've seen Carmen (vette doctor) pull almost fifty rear wheel horsepower out of a stock LS1. I kid you not... ;)

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Originally Posted by Wesman

Not really. They only dyno around ~270WHP stock, and it takes an excellent driver to run one of those cars to their potential. And with the stock turbos, they run out of breath in the top end. Its can be a close race, but the edge definitely goes to the LS1.

LS1 > 2JZ-GTE :yup:

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Gross misinformation right here. Stock they dyno at 290-300rwhp. Stock crank ratings are 320hp, but actually made near 330-340 and pulled 106-108 trap speeds way back in 93.5 when they first came out. They came majorly detuned from the factory and for less than 3k you can get ~420rwhp and 115-120 traps on the stock twins in typical Toyota reliable fashion.

I've been around the Supra community for 13 years and have seen around 15 stock cars dyno throughout the years and the LOWEST I've EVER seen was 270rwhp from a badly conditioned automatic. 6 speeds dyno higher(Less drive train loss) and were very consistent with dynojet readings from 290-305rwhp. As with any car, much depends on maintenance and proper care.

Run out of breath at the top end for a Supra? Please, the Supra is a TOP END car and is geared as such. With the speed limiter disabled the car can hit 170+mph in stock trim. Stock twin turbo owners have hit 10s, so you don't even need after market turbos to hit 10s with the proper setup. You still haven't done your research...

so why do you think i pulled him so hard you think his car so in disrepair? i let him jump first both times and i'm sure he had no turbo. my car is pretty well stock. so what do you think? to be honest i was expecting to get raped.

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so why do you think i pulled him so hard you think his car so in disrepair? i let him jump first both times and i'm sure he had no turbo. my car is pretty well stock. so what do you think? to be honest i was expecting to get raped.

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Non turbo Supras dont dyno as high. He MAYBE had 200 rwhp if it was the N/A version.

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Originally Posted by FEARSM

LOL..you have no idea what you are talking about. I have had 4 MKIV Supras. Every single one of them has dynoed over 300 rwhp STOCK. They dyno the same as stock LS1 engined cars. Stock turbos run out of breath top end? There are stock turbos pushing 450 to 500 rwhp. At least get the facts straight before talking trash.

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And here comes the Supra troll brigade. Its like no matter what you say, there's always some groupie thats got to come in and defend their car.

Thats great for you that your cars have dyno'd 300WHP stock. That doesn't mean they all do, nor does it mean that your dyno runs are 100% accurate. There is a variance, using a different dyno would have most definitely netted different results. Its not an exact science.

Who's talking about 450 or 500WHP?? Where did you pull that from?? I said with the stock turbos (meaning a STOCK car) they run out of breath on the top end. Obviously you can do mods to change that, thats a given and is true with any car, so your arguement is not even valid.

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so why do you think i pulled him so hard you think his car so in disrepair? i let him jump first both times and i'm sure he had no turbo. my car is pretty well stock. so what do you think? to be honest i was expecting to get raped.

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Don't listen to the Supra owners, they aren't going to give you a straight answer because they are obviously biased towards their precious cars :wwf:

You pulled on him because stock for stock, LS1's have better top end power than TT Supras. And its also possible that he had an auto, which is practically an automatic loss for him.

There is no way that you raced an N/A Supra, that wouldn't even be anything resembling a race.

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Gross misinformation right here. Stock they dyno at 290-300rwhp. Stock crank ratings are 320hp, but actually made near 330-340 and pulled 106-108 trap speeds way back in 93.5 when they first came out. They came majorly detuned from the factory and for less than 3k you can get ~420rwhp and 115-120 traps on the stock twins in typical Toyota reliable fashion.

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Wow, 420WHP for 3K. Is that really supposed to be impressive?? I know you mostly troll this section, but maybe you should look around the forum and see what kind of power is LS guys can make with 3 grand. Stop fooling yourself.

I also love how you add in the part about "typical toyota reliable fashion". What a joke, "toyota reliability" goes out the window as soon as you start modifying that car from stock form. They are no more "reliable" than F-Bodies, you import guys and your reliability bullshit are hilarious.

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Run out of breath at the top end for a Supra? Please, the Supra is a TOP END car and is geared as such. With the speed limiter disabled the car can hit 170+mph in stock trim. Stock twin turbo owners have hit 10s, so you don't even need after market turbos to hit 10s with the proper setup. You still haven't done your research...

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I can't see hitting 170MPH in a stock Supra, that sounds like bull. Did I say that "stock turbo Supras can't hit 10's" with lots of money invested?? NOPE, so don't put words in my mouth. I said stock, twin turbo cars don't have as much top end as LS1's. Simple as that, calm down.

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Originally Posted by jomo

They dyno at about the same as a LS1 and the TT are not dogs, its anybody's race stock for stock....

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I'd have to disagree with you there, Jomo. In respect to stock for stock (untouched), the LS1 will own a Supra TT in the 1/4 mile. Here is a video of a bone stock Supra TT, up against a bolt on, low 14 second L98. In the video, the L98 loses to the Supra, but check out the L98's sixty foot, as well as more than holding its own throughout. Had it been an LS1 up against that Supra, it would have been an entirely different outcome... ;)

L98 vs 2JZ

Wow. i like ricers. whay are they so damn ignorant

Although this may be a little off topic, I just need to give a little shout out to Wesman. My man always puts a huge grin on my face when he starts with his bickering, and is definitely a true American muscle car enthusiast. So, Wes, and to the original poster.... this one's for you! ;)

Fried Rice

I dont care if its Japanese or not, you have to give credit to any car that can get 700 HP off stock internals and bottom end, Toyota did an amazing job with that car.

Fearsm, Post some pics of your car. I wanna see the chrome finish.

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Although this may be a little off topic, I just need to give a little shout out to Wesman. My man always puts a huge grin on my face when he starts with his bickering, and is definitely a true American muscle car enthusiast. So, Wes, and to the original poster.... this one's for you! ;)

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I don't like to bicker with idiots, but thankfully Wesman will take his time to ruin every ricer's wet dream that wanders on site.

Good kill, poster!

I like Supras, they are sweet, and make hella power, kinda like a preview to the 03 Cobra. Build the bottom end where it will take 1000 hp, throw a smog and street friendly blower setup on it, and let the hot rodders worry about how to best utilize the weapons available.

Now, if the LS1 came from the factory with twin turbos, and a forged, boost friendly bottom end....hmmm....it would be bad news for the competition.

Unfortunately, that is not the case, and we are faced with the expensive option of taking the engine out, rebuilding the bottom end, countless hours of fabrication for the twin turbo setup, and a sticker price of about 15K!

Whereas those guys can just buy a couple blowers and do it themselves b/c all the hard, expensive work has already been completed.

Something tells me that GM just MIGHT come out with a factory twin turbo Z06 here soon. I mean, what is the encore to 505 N/A horses? (I know there is a 600 HP N/A version coming out, Z06-R or some sh*t)

I tell you what is, a 454 cube, 8.5:1 compression LS8 with twin turbo's pumpin about 580 to the ground, STOCK on 8 lbs boost.

Add two aftermarket blowers rated at 24 psi, and wammo, you got 1100 baloney burnin', mullet-wearin' rwhp. How is that for an encore!

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Although this may be a little off topic, I just need to give a little shout out to Wesman. My man always puts a huge grin on my face when he starts with his bickering, and is definitely a true American muscle car enthusiast. So, Wes, and to the original poster.... this one's for you! ;)

Fried Rice

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Gotta love the Hideout!!

That Camaro ruined that ricers night lol.

When I had my 02 WS6 I lost to a TT Supra, but It was when I first got the car and didn't go to the right gear and went from bog and he was in the correct gear and got the pull on me. I was starting to real him in, but the road was getting short so we had to get out of it. I don't think it was totally stock. If I was in the right gear I'm sure I would have been able to hold him off. My 02 WS6 was all stock. It didn't even have the skip shift eliminator on it yet! If I found one for a good price I'd buy one and have some fun with it.

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And here comes the Supra troll brigade. Its like no matter what you say, there's always some groupie thats got to come in and defend their car.

Thats great for you that your cars have dyno'd 300WHP stock. That doesn't mean they all do, nor does it mean that your dyno runs are 100% accurate. There is a variance, using a different dyno would have most definitely netted different results. Its not an exact science.

Who's talking about 450 or 500WHP?? Where did you pull that from?? I said with the stock turbos (meaning a STOCK car) they run out of breath on the top end. Obviously you can do mods to change that, thats a given and is true with any car, so your arguement is not even valid.

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You have no idea what you are talking about. I have sheets from 3 different dynoes on island that say the same thing. Avg hp on a 6 spd Supra is 300 rwhp. Funny, how is it that MY dynoes are inaccurate but the ones YOU reference are accurate? You dont even OWN a supra yet you try to sit here and tell people what they can or cannot do. You are a hypocrite in the truest sense. I am not defending anything. I really dont care if you call me a ricer or not because thats your opinion and you are entitled to that. But FACTS are FACTS and you are spouting out ALOT of misinformation.

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Fearsm, Post some pics of your car. I wanna see the chrome finish.

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Send me your email addy and I will email you some.

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You have no idea what you are talking about. I have sheets from 3 different dynoes on island that say the same thing. Avg hp on a 6 spd Supra is 300 rwhp. Funny, how is it that MY dynoes are inaccurate but the ones YOU reference are accurate? You dont even OWN a supra yet you try to sit here and tell people what they can or cannot do. You are a hypocrite in the truest sense. I am not defending anything. I really dont care if you call me a ricer or not because thats your opinion and you are entitled to that. But FACTS are FACTS and you are spouting out ALOT of misinformation.

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Did I post any dyno graphs in the first place?? No. I merely said that your graphs are not typical of every TT Supra. There are many variables to take into account, including dyno type.

I am a hypocrite, huh?? A hyprocrite says one thing and does another, I haven't done that at all.

Misinformation?? Nope, just keeping the ricers like yourself in check so that you don't mislead people to believe that your cars are better than they really are.

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...898#post253898

Here's a thread where some links were posted to pics. That's a nice Supra!

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Did I post any dyno graphs in the first place?? No. I merely said that your graphs are not typical of every TT Supra. There are many variables to take into account, including dyno type.

I am a hypocrite, huh?? A hyprocrite says one thing and does another, I haven't done that at all.

Misinformation?? Nope, just keeping the ricers like yourself in check so that you don't mislead people to believe that your cars are better than they really are.

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LOL..and how am I a ricer? Really, I want to know. You have done that. You quote dyno numbers as facts but when I give MY numbers that I have PERSONALLY dynoed and worked on you say MY dynos numbers are wrong. You have no idea whats typical of a Supra because you dont own one, never worked on one or dynoed one, hell you dont even LIKE them so how the hell would you know what was typical or not?
Keeping me in check? Uh, when did I ever say my car was better than anyone elses? When did I ever say my car was BETTER period? I am a true enthusiast and I respect anything thats fast. I am not limited to brand loyalty.

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Don't listen to the Supra owners, they aren't going to give you a straight answer because they are obviously biased towards their precious cars :wwf:

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I am sorry, but this was the funniest statement Wesman has ever said.

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LOL..and how am I a ricer? Really, I want to know. You have done that. You quote dyno numbers as facts but when I give MY numbers that I have PERSONALLY dynoed and worked on you say MY dynos numbers are wrong. You have no idea whats typical of a Supra because you dont own one, never worked on one or dynoed one, hell you dont even LIKE them so how the hell would you know what was typical or not?
Keeping me in check? Uh, when did I ever say my car was better than anyone elses? When did I ever say my car was BETTER period? I am a true enthusiast and I respect anything thats fast. I am not limited to brand loyalty.

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I said the majority of Supras, on average, dyno in the 280WHP area. Just because your small sample of Supras dyno'd higher, that means they all dyno that high?? Some dyno higher, some dyno lower, there are lots of variables to take into account.

So "You are a true enthusiast"?? Now that made me laugh out loud. Nobody is 100% unbiased in their preferences and opinions, you obviously like imports. I like American cars best, for two reasons. I think they make the best performance cars, and I don't like supporting the Japanese economy instead of my own. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Wesman

I said the majority of Supras, on average, dyno in the 280WHP area. Just because your small sample of Supras dyno'd higher, that means they all dyno that high?? Some dyno higher, some dyno lower, there are lots of variables to take into account.

So "You are a true enthusiast"?? Now that made me laugh out loud. Nobody is 100% unbiased in their preferences and opinions, you obviously like imports. I like American cars best, for two reasons. I think they make the best performance cars, and I don't like supporting the Japanese economy instead of my own. Simple as that.

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Your averages are wrong, period. My small sample of cars? How do you think you get an AVERAGE? I have dynoed autos and 6 spds from 93 to 98. Where do u get YOUR numbers from? You keep throwing out the variables BS because you have NO REAL FACTS to back up your claims. I like ALL cars. I first learned how to work on cars from a gearhead friend of mine with an 88 5.0 hatchback. He taught me ALOT about wrenching on cars. Just because I drive an import now means nothing, its just the car that suits me at this point and time. My next ride will be a C6 Z06 actually.
You never answered my other question. How exactly am I a ricer? Apparently you think all import owners are ricers.

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Your averages are wrong, period. My small sample of cars? How do you think you get an AVERAGE? I have dynoed autos and 6 spds from 93 to 98. Where do u get YOUR numbers from? You keep throwing out the variables BS because you have NO REAL FACTS to back up your claims. I like ALL cars. I first learned how to work on cars from a gearhead friend of mine with an 88 5.0 hatchback. He taught me ALOT about wrenching on cars. Just because I drive an import now means nothing, its just the car that suits me at this point and time. My next ride will be a C6 Z06 actually.

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Neither of us can prove the other one wrong so its a waste of time to argue about it. I got my numbers from a wide selection of owners on other forums, you go your numbers from your small personal experience.

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You never answered my other question. How exactly am I a ricer? Apparently you think all import owners are ricers.

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Nope. Just Japanese "performance" car owners. The cars are "rice", the people that buy them are "ricers".

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Neither of us can prove the other one wrong so its a waste of time to argue about it. I got my numbers from a wide selection of owners on other forums, you go your numbers from your small personal experience.



Nope. Just Japanese "performance" car owners. The cars are "rice", the people that buy them are "ricers".

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No..I get my numbers from personal experience AND from the largest forum for Supra owners on the planet. We have a dyno section and drag section just like this forum. Small personal experience? LOL..what experience do you have? NONE, yet you sit here like you have a clue and call my experience into question. Wide selection of owners from other forums? Owners of what? I bet you dont even know anyone that owns a Supra. You dont like import owners coming on THIS site so dont act like you even go to import sites and talk to other owners. You sit here and talk like you KNOW this people and in the next sentence call them ricers. Yet you think you are dealing in FACTS and not opinion. You are one of the most BIASED domestic guys on this forum.

Seeing you can only buy a supra used any more, I would not say it's supporting the Japanese economy by buying one. I'd only be helping out the fellow American that's lot it may be sitting on.

1997 Toyota Supra- weight- 3460 pounds-
Horsepower- stock : 320 crank- 3.0 Liter I6 cylinder- Twin Cam 24V- Twin Turbo-
-Quarter mile: 13.3 sec. 0-60: 5.1 sec. Final Drive Ratio: 3.133:1
6 speed- (1st: 3.827:1, 2nd: 2.36:1, 3rd: 1.685:1, 4th: 1.312:1, 5th: 1.00:1, 6th: 0.793:1)

2002 Trans Am/WS6 - Weight- 3450 Pounds-
Horsepower Stock: T/A: WS6: 325 Crank-LS1 5.7 Liter-
-Quarter mile:WS6-13.2 sec. 0-60: 5.0 sec. Final Drive Ratio: 3:42:1
T-56 Speed- (1st: 2.66:1, 2nd: 1.78:1, 3rd:1.30:1, 4th: 1.00:1, 5th:0.74:1, 6th:0.50:1)

The research I have done on the net says that the TT Supra and a WS6, both being 6 speeds, are close in the quarter mile and 0-60 times, but top end goes to the Supra, because of the tranny gearing. The Supra can still pull in 5th and 6th gear, as to the LS1 can NOT pull in 6th gear, and actually the Supras 6 gear is lower than the LS1 5th gear. And a rear end gear of 3.08:1 is a better highway gear than the 3.42:1 in the TA.
A Supra can indeed travel 175 plus, as long as it has no speed governor, with a higher redline than the LS1 engine. And aerodynamics are better in the Supra. A WS6 can not top 160 at redline in 5th gear.

Also both cars weigh about the same, also they were both under rated and really have around 340-350 horsepower. As far as RWHP, The TA's seem to have a little higher numbers on the net. But they are real close. Althought the LS1 does win in the torque department, stock vs stock that is. And remember the engine in the Supra is an inline engine, not a V, and I read that a inline engine breaths alot better at high rpms, than a V engine does. Not sure why, but thats what I read.

A race from 30 to 90 would prob go to the TA, a race from 70- 150 would prob go to the Supra. This is just my opinion, taken from the net and differant mags Ive read. Feel free to correct anything Ive messed up on.
A 97 TT 15 aniversary Supra and a 02 WS6 are a very close comparison, The 2jz-gte I6 motor can handle up to 960 horsepower, an LS1 will need an iron block and a few internals changed out to support those numbers. But both cars are very nice cars, I think we can all agree on that.

If I had to drive one of the 2 vehicles every day, I would pick the TA. I need things like dual exhaust and some American rumble coming from the pipes, Although the Coffee can look is cool to.

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The research I have done on the net says that the TT Supra and a WS6, both being 6 speeds, are close in the quarter mile and 0-60 times, but top end goes to the Supra, because of the tranny gearing. The Supra can still pull in 5th and 6th gear, as to the LS1 can NOT pull in 6th gear, and actually the Supras 6 gear is lower than the LS1 5th gear. And a rear end gear of 3.08:1 is a better highway gear than the 3.42:1 in the TA.

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Your numbers are way off my friend. The LS1 doesn't need to go into 6th gear until 181MPH, it can stay in 5th until that speed. So it has just as good or better top end than the Supra, which has much shorter gears.

First you say shorter gears are better for top end, but then you say the taller rear end ratio of the Supra is better for top end...confliciting statements there.

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A Supra can indeed travel 175 plus, as long as it has no speed governor, with a higher redline than the LS1 engine. And aerodynamics are better in the Supra. A WS6 can not top 160 at redline in 5th gear.

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I'd like to see a Supra hit "175+MPH", I seriously doubt that would happen. LS1's don't redline at 160MPH in 5th, I don't know where you are pulling these BS numbers from. It will pull all the way to 181MPH in 5th, which the Supra definitely can't do.

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Also both cars weigh about the same, also they were both under rated and really have around 340-350 horsepower. As far as RWHP, The TA's seem to have a little higher numbers on the net. But they are real close. Althought the LS1 does win in the torque department, stock vs stock that is. And remember the engine in the Supra is an inline engine, not a V, and I read that a inline engine breaths alot better at high rpms, than a V engine does. Not sure why, but thats what I read.

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Probably some stupid rumor that was started on the Supra forum. Inline engines don't "breathe better" than V engines, thats nonsense.

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A race from 30 to 90 would prob go to the TA, a race from 70- 150 would prob go to the Supra. This is just my opinion, taken from the net and differant mags Ive read. Feel free to correct anything Ive messed up on.
A 97 TT 15 aniversary Supra and a 02 WS6 are a very close comparison, The 2jz-gte I6 motor can handle up to 960 horsepower, an LS1 will need an iron block and a few internals changed out to support those numbers. But both cars are very nice cars, I think we can all agree on that.

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I say the LS1 would beat out the Supra at any speed. They don't need close ratio gear boxes to stay in the powerband, and the LS1's powerband is much more flexible than the Supras.

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Although the Coffee can look is cool to.

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Your numbers are way off my friend. The LS1 doesn't need to go into 6th gear until 181MPH, it can stay in 5th until that speed. So it has just as good or better top end than the Supra, which has much shorter gears.

First you say shorter gears are better for top end, but then you say the taller rear end ratio of the Supra is better for top end...confliciting statements there.



I'd like to see a Supra hit "175+MPH", I seriously doubt that would happen. LS1's don't redline at 160MPH in 5th, I don't know where you are pulling these BS numbers from. It will pull all the way to 181MPH in 5th, which the Supra definitely can't do.

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When tranny gears are taller they lack pulling power. Its a simple math eqaution, your horsepower times the gear you arfe in. EX 5th gear in a LS1 is .74:1, which means every .74 times the flywheel spins, the gear in the tranny spins 1 full time. So it takes more horsepower to turn the gear the smaller the ratio gets. So lower gears in the tranny helps you use your horsepower to propell you to a higher speed. The rear end gears, however are differant. they are the same no matter what gear you are in or what speed the flywheel spins at. So a taller rear end gear will spin the driveshaft at a slower speed which will take less power to maintain a higher miles per hour. So the 3.08:1 rear gear is better for high speeds, but no good for low end speeds. Its all about putting horsepower to the ground, and the Supras set up gets more horsepower to the ground at higher speeds because of gearing.

My top end numbers come from my own experiance. I have had 2 LS1 TA's. I have had my M6 99 TA at 6000 rpms in 5th gear and my speedo was a little past the 155 mark, I estimate 160 in 5th gear at 6000 or so rpms. Then when I put it in 6th it slowed down (unless I was on a hill)
So I dont think they are BS numbers. They are numbers from experiance.

The Supra uses all 6 gears to pull to its top speed, the LS1 can only use 5 gears, 6th gear is a .50:1, which is usless to pull in. It makes since that the Supra will get more top end, especially because it can rev higher (6800 rpms vs 6000 rpms) and this website says the 2JZ GTE Supra will do 195 miles per hour (315 kilometers per hour)
http://www.turbosupras.com/pages/en/...ZA80/jza80.htm

and this site says the WS6 top speed (estimated) is 165 mph
http://www.modernracer.com/pontiacfi...ransamws6.html

here is a supra doing 162 in just a qaurter mile
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/67512/..._in_the_world/

here is a cool site with a lot of Q&A's for the Supra
http://ezinearticles.com/?FAQ-on-Mod...-Supra&id=9214

I got this qoute from that site

"What is a BPU™'d Supra TT's top speed?
Speeds in the mid-high 180mph range should be achievable. Once the speed-limiter is disabled, by pulling the "TRAC" fuse of course."

Here is another cool quote from that site:
Sorry to highjack this thread, but Im bored as hell, its 2 in the morning and ther isnt shit on tv.

How the hell do you spell Quote, quate???

"How can I remove the factory 155mph speed limiter?
Remove the fuse for the Trac system. The speed limiter works through the Trac throttle body.
What is the Supra TT's top speed with the Trac fuse removed?
There is some debate on this subject. There are rumors that 180 can be achieved. But by going with the numbers, 168-172mph in stock form seems possible.
What is the Supra TT's maximum theoretical top speed? Can it exceed 200mph with enough power?
Lets find out.
The Supra TT with the 6-speed has a stock engine redline of 6800rpm, and a 6th gear ratio of .79:1, with a rear axle ratio of 3.13:1. Now we multiply our 6th gear ratio times our rear axle ratio, and we find out our final gear ratio is 2.472:1. Now we divide 6800rpm by our total gear reduction of 2.472:1 and we find out our rear axles, and therefore wheels are spinning at 2751rpm at 6800 engine rpms.
Now we need to calculate our tire circumference. The rear tires section width it 255mm, and the sidewall's aspect ratio is .40, so our sidewalls are 102mm. Now, to convert this to inches, we divide this by 25.4, which equal’s 4.015 inches. Now multiply this by two, since we have two sidewalls making up the total diameter, and add the wheel diameter of 17", and we see a total diameter of 25.031 inches. Now to find out our circumference, we multiply that number times pi (3.14), and we find out the circumference is 78.59 inches, now divide that by 12 to convert to feet. And we get 6.549 feet total circumference.
Now multiply our tire's revolving speed, by the tire's outside circumference, and we find that the tire is covering 18,016 feet per minute, divide that by the 5280 feet in a mile, and we find we are covering 3.412 miles per minute, now multiply that by the 60 minutes in an hour, and we find we are traveling 204.7miles per hour @ 6800rpm in 6th gear. If the engines redline is increased to 7500rpm, which it often is, because of a higher flowing turbo. Then our maximum speed would be 225.8mph, given enough power of course."
For more go to Http://www.ausdriftcar.cjb.net

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Damn Preston, get some sleep will ya! :zzz:

This is incorrect. I've owned 2. The a4 dyno'd 288 and the m6 dyno'd 315. Highest stock TT dyno on record is 345. Check any mag and you'll see they run mid 13's@104 or so. Seems you just pulled your information directly from you butt.:werd:

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Supras are a riceboys wet dream, they dyno at about 270hp stock and are dogs. Why anybody would pay $40,000 for a stock one I have no idea.

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My god your clueless. This is a car that can run low 12's with a grand invested. Free mods put it over 350 rwhp, spend $500 for dp and exhaust and you're over 400 rwhp. And the car will handle that 400 rwhp for 250k miles. 800 rwhp is a $7200 turbo kit away. Find me any modern sports car that'll handle 800 rwhp reliably. Do you really think you can do that in a V8 (or any engine ever) for $3600???:dot:

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And you can buy the new GM LSX block that holds 2500HP no problem.

Not impressed by Supras.

And by the time you get to that 1000HP limit, you could have spent half as much money to make the same amount of power with a V8, and it wouldn't be a dyno queen, either.

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My god your clueless. This is a car that can run low 12's with a grand invested. Free mods put it over 350 rwhp, spend $500 for dp and exhaust and you're over 400 rwhp. And the car will handle that 400 rwhp for 250k miles. 800 rwhp is a $7200 turbo kit away. Find me any modern sports car that'll handle 800 rwhp reliably. Do you really think you can do that in a V8 (or any engine ever) for $3600???:dot:

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Dude you are full of shit. Those numbers are so exaggerated its ridiculous.

It will run low 12's with $1K?? Who are you trying to fool here?? And you pull some random bullshit statement like "the car can handle 400WHP for 250K miles". What, did you get a test group together, make all the cars have 400WHP, and then run them for 250K to prove this theory?? GTFO with that crap.

800WHP is only $7200 away?? Maybe you should do some research, there are LS1's and LS2's with Supercharger and Turbocharger kits for that much, and they can make just as much power.

And where is this $3600 figure coming from?? You just said it takes a $7200 turbo kit to make a claimed 800WHP, not you're saying it costs $3600 to make 800WHP. You need to stop exaggerating the Supras potential and get a grip on reality :rolleyes:

Wesman for President!

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When tranny gears are taller they lack pulling power. Its a simple math eqaution, your horsepower times the gear you arfe in. EX 5th gear in a LS1 is .74:1, which means every .74 times the flywheel spins, the gear in the tranny spins 1 full time. So it takes more horsepower to turn the gear the smaller the ratio gets. So lower gears in the tranny helps you use your horsepower to propell you to a higher speed. The rear end gears, however are differant. they are the same no matter what gear you are in or what speed the flywheel spins at. So a taller rear end gear will spin the driveshaft at a slower speed which will take less power to maintain a higher miles per hour. So the 3.08:1 rear gear is better for high speeds, but no good for low end speeds. Its all about putting horsepower to the ground, and the Supras set up gets more horsepower to the ground at higher speeds because of gearing.

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You are very confused.

It doesn't matter where the gearing is, it matters what the final drive gear ratios are. So whether the Supra gets its claimed gearing advantage by having shorter transmission gears or a shorter differential ratio is totally irrelevent.

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My top end numbers come from my own experiance. I have had 2 LS1 TA's. I have had my M6 99 TA at 6000 rpms in 5th gear and my speedo was a little past the 155 mark, I estimate 160 in 5th gear at 6000 or so rpms. Then when I put it in 6th it slowed down (unless I was on a hill)
So I dont think they are BS numbers. They are numbers from experiance.

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Obviously your speedo was off. 5th gear with 3.42's tops out at 181MPH with 25.66" tall tires. Perhaps you had smaller tires, and therefore topped out 5th gear earlier. A Supra is not faster than an LS1 on the top end, 5th gear in a stock LS1 is perfect for hitting top speed. There is no need for 6th gear until above 181MPH, and no stock F-Body or Supra will go that fast.

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The Supra uses all 6 gears to pull to its top speed, the LS1 can only use 5 gears, 6th gear is a .50:1, which is usless to pull in. It makes since that the Supra will get more top end, especially because it can rev higher (6800 rpms vs 6000 rpms) and this website says the 2JZ GTE Supra will do 195 miles per hour (315 kilometers per hour)
http://www.turbosupras.com/pages/en/...ZA80/jza80.htm

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Dude I'm going to tell you this one time: Use some common sense :wwf:

The top speed of the C6 Z06 is approximately 198-200MPH. Thats with excellent aeordynamics and about 470WHP. So how do you figure the less aerodynamic Supra, with 200WHP less, is going to hit 195MPH?? Thats totally absurd, just think about that for a minute.

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and this site says the WS6 top speed (estimated) is 165 mph
http://www.modernracer.com/pontiacfi...ransamws6.html

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Thats merely some "estimated" guess from that ricer site. Not legit at all, the only thing thing that wil prove the real top speed is a test by a legit mag such as C&D or MT where they actually take it out on a track and hit the top speed.

And I really don't give 2 shits about some highly modified drag car Supra doing 160MPH in the 1/4 mile. What do you think, no Camaro or Mustang has ever achieved that?? Please...

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Wesman for President!

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I remember posting something about the record holder on the CAM dyno was a Supra with 900 whp.

I went there today with my buddy who has a 350Z with all the bolt-ons, and I mean ALL. He put down a whopping 250 whp! :lmao:

Damn, my boy was all upset about spending all that time and money to mod that car and get 20 whp! :lol: Afterwards, he regretted even getting it dynoed. But to his defense, it was running way lean and there was no way to tune the A/F mixture with the equipment at the LS1 shop.

Anyway, I was talking to the guy about the Supra that they dynoed with 900 whp, and he said a couple things you guys might find interesting...

1. The power curve was flatlined before the turbo's kicked in, and then it spiked sharply at high rpm, hardly the kind of power you would enjoy b/c when the turbo's aren't spooled the car is gutless, and when the turbos kicked in, it was a complete handful to keep straight.

2. The guy hardly drives the car as a result of its street unfriendliness. DYNO QUEEN (<--the dyno guy's quote)

3. Just finished putting a 414 cube C5R motor with LS7 heads and a blower in a 2001 Corvette, put 850 rwhp to the ground on pump gas, and with race gas and a few more #'s she put 1100 ponies to the wheels!!! :burnout:

Wesman, Im noticing some hostility towards "Ricers" Did you have a dramatic event happend to you involving an import when you were a kid that messed you up. And now you want revenge?

Remember I love LS1 cars as well, I think they are better than the Supras, but that is just my OPINION. Not a fact. And we are all just having fun here, brother. BTW I love it when you say "Please" after a statement that I made, its very 1990's of you. And it lets everyone know that my statement was "totaly" not worthy. Your an in lightend cat, I like that about you. Keep up the good work.:yourock: :yay: :thumbup: :notworthy:

Wesman is a fucking retard. Wesman is "that guy".

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You are very confused.

It doesn't matter where the gearing is, it matters what the final drive gear ratios are. So whether the Supra gets its claimed gearing advantage by having shorter transmission gears or a shorter differential ratio is totally irrelevent.



Obviously your speedo was off. 5th gear with 3.42's tops out at 181MPH with 25.66" tall tires. Perhaps you had smaller tires, and therefore topped out 5th gear earlier. A Supra is not faster than an LS1 on the top end, 5th gear in a stock LS1 is perfect for hitting top speed. There is no need for 6th gear until above 181MPH Thats totally absurd, Please...

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You are right about the final drive ratio, and it is better for the Supra for top speeds, because it CAN USE 6TH GEAR. a .79:1 times its rear end ratio of 3.13:1= higher speeds than the LS 5ht gear of .74:1 times its rear gears of 3.42:1

supra (6th gear x rear gears) final ratio= 2.3
TA (5th gear x rear gears)final ratio=2.5

2.3 means more top end available, and 800 more rpms to work with from the Supra.


Also, My tires were 245/45 ZR16s. and several people have posted that 5ht gear will get you 160 mph on this site. Remember redline is 6 grand.

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Wesman is a fucking retard. Wesman is "that guy".

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I disagree. Retards can't type. :Pw:

Only lick windows and take their pants completely off to use a wall urinal... :hurryup:

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Wesman, Im noticing some hostility towards "Ricers" Did you have a dramatic event happend to you involving an import when you were a kid that messed you up. And now you want revenge?

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HAHA nope. I just don't like those kinds of cars. Its just like a sports team. I like American cars, so I root for them. Go find a Yankees fan and ask him why he doesn't root for the Red Sox. I think its self explainatory.

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Remember I love LS1 cars as well, I think they are better than the Supras, but that is just my OPINION. Not a fact. And we are all just having fun here, brother. BTW I love it when you say "Please" after a statement that I made, its very 1990's of you. And it lets everyone know that my statement was "totaly" not worthy. Your an in lightend cat, I like that about you. Keep up the good work.:yourock: :yay: :thumbup: :notworthy:

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You obviously spend a lot of effort to dig up all that information. Seemed like you were trying to prove that the Supra was somehow better, so I posted my response to the information that you found. Nothing personal against you though :cheers:

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Wesman is a fucking retard. Wesman is "that guy".

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Real mature response there buddy :jerkit: :rolleyes:

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HAHA nope. I just don't like those kinds of cars. Its just like a sports team. I like American cars, so I root for them. Go find a Yankees fan and ask him why he doesn't root for the Red Sox. I think its self explainatory.
You obviously spend a lot of effort to dig up all that information. Seemed like you were trying to prove that the Supra was somehow better, so I posted my response to the information that you found. Nothing personal against you though :cheers:

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Agreed with the sports comparison, some people just have there favorites. I also prefer an American car to an import, I wasnt trying to prove you wrong, I was just bored and was trying to put the factgs out there, I think the facts are much more fun than a someones opinion. either way, its all good. And by the way, Cobras are better than both the Supra and the WS6, Ha Ha, just kidding.

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I disagree. Retards can't type. :Pw:

Only lick windows and take their pants completely off to use a wall urinal... :hurryup:

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Agreed, why do retards always take off there pants, just to piss?????
But leave there pants on to take a dump??????
Im just kidding I love retards.

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Obviously your speedo was off. 5th gear with 3.42's tops out at 181MPH with 25.66" tall tires. Perhaps you had smaller tires, and therefore topped out 5th gear earlier.

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the calculated top speed might be 180 mph. unfortunately, aerodynamics play a major role in achieving it. this is where you showed some lack of knowledge. the frontal area of a camaro is huge and catches alot of air.

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the calculated to speed might be 180 mph. unfortunately, aerodynamics play a major role in achieving it. this is where you showed some lack of knowledge. the frontal area of a camaro is huge and catches alot of air.

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I didn't say top speed was 180MPH. I just said that it has the gearing to get it that high.

Nobody can seem to find the official top speed from a legit test, you have any idea what it actually is??

look at how you wrote it. by saying his speedo must've been off because the top speed in 5th is 180.

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look at how you wrote it. by saying his speedo must've been off because the top speed in 5th is 180.

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He said this:

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I have had my M6 99 TA at 6000 rpms in 5th gear and my speedo was a little past the 155 mark, I estimate 160 in 5th gear at 6000 or so rpms.

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Like I said, he couldn't have topped out 5th gear unless he had very small wheels/tires. He said he was at 6000RPM at 160MPH, which is about 20MPH short of where 5th actually tops out. He may have reached his top speed, but he couldn't have topped out 5th unless he hit 181MPH, which is 181MPH in 5th with 25.66" tall tires and stock gears.

which is why i brought up aerodynamics. yes, the calculated top speed in 5th is 181 mph. achieving it is another thing all together. at speeds this high, drag gets way harder to overcome. you almost have to double the horsepower to overcome the drag vs at low speeds.


i remember reading a mag (i think hot rod mag) did a top speed test. pitted a 98 mustang, 96 impala ss, 99 WS6 convertible, and one other car.

WS6 - 163
impala ss - 152
mustang - 148 (taped off front end and went 152)

the only reason why i remember it is because the impala had better top speed than the mustang.

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which is why i brought up aerodynamics. yes, the calculated top speed in 5th is 181 mph. achieving it is another thing all together. at speeds this high, drag gets way harder to overcome. you almost have to double the horsepower to overcome the drag vs at low speeds.

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I didn't mean to imply that it could hit 181MPH, I just meant that 5th was good up until 181MPH. So he obviously didn't run out of gear, he just ran out of power.

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i remember reading a mag (i think hot rod mag) did a top speed test. pitted a 98 mustang, 96 impala ss, 99 WS6 convertible, and one other car.

WS6 - 163
impala ss - 152
mustang - 148 (taped off front end and went 152)

the only reason why i remember it is because the impala had better top speed than the mustang.

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Sounds about right. From what I've heard stock LS1 F-bodys are good for 160MPH-165MPH. I wonder what the top speed of a stock auto is?? Proably somewhere around 145MPH-150MPH I'd guess.

one thing i did in my 94 z28 one night was try to top it out. car had 2.73 gears. the car hauled butt up to 130 mph. right then, the car hit a wall and slowed up. still accelreating, just not as quickly. i flipped on the 125 shot and it got back up to speed. made it to 145 mph until i had to slow down for oncoming cars i was catching up to.

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I didn't mean to imply that it could hit 181MPH, I just meant that 5th was good up until 181MPH. So he obviously didn't run out of gear, he just ran out of power.

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that's better.

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Sounds about right. From what I've heard stock LS1 F-bodys are good for 160MPH-165MPH. I wonder what the top speed of a stock auto is?? Proably somewhere around 145MPH-150MPH I'd guess.

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well, i've been 145 in mine. still had some in it.

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well, i've been 145 in mine. still had some in it.

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In your A4 LS1??

yes, my black car.

All I know is I was in 5th gear at 5900 or so RPMs and it buried the 155 speedo mark, a little past it, I guestimate 160. I did hold it on the straightaway, so I guess I ran out of power, because thats all it would do.

I had 245/50 16's so I figure top end without going past redline was 160-165 ish. Wether you say runnig out of power or areodynamics, either way the top end in my slightly modded TA was around 160. It was not a BS number as Wesman stated.

And the original statement I made was to state that the Supra had a better top end than the WS6 stock to stock. A stock Supra (speed limiter taken off) will hit a higher top speed with the stock power plant. A stock Supra will do 175, per alot of websites that have reviewed the car.

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All I know is I was in 5th gear at 5900 or so RPMs and it buried the 155 speedo mark, a little past it, I guestimate 160. I did hold it on the straightaway, so I guess I ran out of power, because thats all it would do.

I had 245/50 16's so I figure top end without going past redline was 160-165 ish. Wether you say runnig out of power or areodynamics, either way the top end in my slightly modded TA was around 160. It was not a BS number as Wesman stated.

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i'm agreeing with you.

Thank you, my friend.:vodka: :thumbup: :thumbup: :cheers:

And here I thought all Moderators had a god complex, your an alright guy.
Nice numbers by the way.

:nana:

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And here I thought all Moderators had a god complex,

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who says i don't??? :ughlaugh:

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:nana:

who says i don't??? :ughlaugh:

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Ha Ha, by the way, how are things down in "Da Lake"
LOL

kinda shallow

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Who's talking about 450 or 500WHP?? Where did you pull that from?? I said with the stock turbos (meaning a STOCK car) they run out of breath on the top end. Obviously you can do mods to change that, thats a given and is true with any car, so your arguement is not even valid.

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hahaha are you crazy, let me put this in slow english for you... first i think he was saying the turbos are good till 450-500WHP so why do YOU think they would "run out of breath" at STOCK horsepower??????

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Don't listen to the Supra owners, they aren't going to give you a straight answer because they are obviously biased towards their precious cars

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how is your opinion NOT biased???

And i didnt read the whole thread so if this was already coverd, i did it again.

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hahaha are you crazy, let me put this in slow english for you... first i think he was saying the turbos are good till 450-500WHP so why do YOU think they would "run out of breath" at STOCK horsepower??????

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Hmm...lets see...maybe because the stock turbos aren't pushing 450-500WHP worth of boost?? I dunno, maybe, just maybe thats the reason??

You import trolls are ridiculous, use some common sense.

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how is your opinion NOT biased???

And i didnt read the whole thread so if this was already coverd, i did it again.

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Well I suggest you just stop posting here then if you don't even know whats going on. You're just looking to start trouble, thats obvious :rolleyes:

Im only asking cuz im curious about your reasoning, what do you mean "out of breath" do you mean boost, cuz im sure a turbo will not lose boost at higher RPM's with stock boost level.

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Im only asking cuz im curious about your reasoning, what do you mean "out of breath" do you mean boost, cuz im sure a turbo will not lose boost at higher RPM's with stock boost level.

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depending on the size of the turbo and the motor/head involved a turbo very well can lose boost at higher rpm's.

Stock, not to common.

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My god your clueless. This is a car that can run low 12's with a grand invested. Free mods put it over 350 rwhp, spend $500 for dp and exhaust and you're over 400 rwhp. And the car will handle that 400 rwhp for 250k miles. 800 rwhp is a $7200 turbo kit away. Find me any modern sports car that'll handle 800 rwhp reliably. Do you really think you can do that in a V8 (or any engine ever) for $3600???:dot:

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lol surpas are tha shiz yo!! fast en da furiouz told me so!!!

would i rather have a 900rwhp vacuum cleaner sounding supra with a 200 rpm powerband, or a good ole fashioned American v8 with some turbos with power anywhere. hmmmm you decide

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...af011c130d.htm

lol i love that video, just show this to any supra fan boy to shut him up. That is what american muscle is all about! It isnt a LS1 but it is a beauty of a good ole chevy V8.

Supras are nice cars, but they are nothing special nor are they untouchable like these guys make them out to be. Just because they're the fastest rice available people praise them. Yes they are built for boost from the factory. But any motor can be built for boost and its not really going to cost you THAT much more in the grand scheme of how much money you will be spending. No matter what, no supra will put down 800 RWHP with a $7200 turbo kit. It will go so much deeper then that it aint funny. Keep dreaming buddy....

Ok....a Nelson Racing engine, and a car that goes 7s.....with a 522 twin turbo, and go knows what else. If that's the case...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxk2IaoMTb0


There's a 2 liter car that is street legal that goes 7.80s.


You know what the moral of the story is? Anything can be made fast for the right amount of money, so don't come in here with your Nelson video thinking you know something.

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Ok....a Nelson Racing engine, and a car that goes 7s.....with a 522 twin turbo, and go knows what else. If that's the case...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxk2IaoMTb0


There's a 2 liter car that is street legal that goes 7.80s.


You know what the moral of the story is? Anything can be made fast for the right amount of money, so don't come in here with your Nelson video thinking you know something.

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Of course you can make anything fast with enough money.

The real moral of the story is not to waste your time with 4 bangers, there's no replacement for displacement. Start out with a V8, and if you need more power go F/I from there. 4 cylinders are pointless, you can always make more power with a larger motor and have it sound better and be more reliable in the process. Plus its will always have a better powerband and have much more potential.

Case closed.

Most the time V8's come in huge bulky cars with a not so good suspension design, but it great for lots of torque, and straight lines. Lets not forget how many automatic trannys, vs manuals there are, my guess is over 2/3rd's are auto. ALOT of the V8s are a heavy block aswell so thats more weight in the front end. One of the only engines that dosent is the LSx its light, one of the reasons i like it. I dont car whats faster in a line, but what is quicker around a track, MOST (not all obviously) cars that come with V8's stock and have equal or even more mods than me i could take on a road course how often am i out of my powerband then. Vettes are wonderfull cars, The C6 Z06 is my favorite car.



ps i dont like MK4 supras either, there nice cars but not my thing.

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Ok....a Nelson Racing engine, and a car that goes 7s.....with a 522 twin turbo, and go knows what else. If that's the case...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxk2IaoMTb0


There's a 2 liter car that is street legal that goes 7.80s.


You know what the moral of the story is? Anything can be made fast for the right amount of money, so don't come in here with your Nelson video thinking you know something.

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Thinking i know something? lol ok...I know a 55 psi turbo 4 banger needs NITROUS to spool a gigantic turbo and needs to run on methanol, surely sounds streetable to me! Id love to see how useable that power is. If he doesnt leave the line on full boost it would probably take until the 1/8th mile to spool that turbo. So whats your point again? the supra is the same thing, only this car would be 10 times worse.

Yes that car is obviously fast without question, ON A TRACK and being able to launch on full boost. But the key here is useable power. How long will it take to spool that turbo on the st? Probably long enough for a civic to pull ahead until it spooled. ahaha. Just please watch the video i posted again. No need for nitrous and boost is instant. That is what performance is about. This is what a V8 is all about. Instant gratification :)

Show me a video of this streetable 4 banger putting it in 3rd gear at 20mph and being able to spool the turbo and smoke the tires in under a second. You wont find it because it wont happen on a 4 cyl. Til then dont come in here thinking a built 4 banger :typer: has ANYTHING on a built V8 or that YOU know more then anyone... other then your fellow ricers.

And the point i was trying to make before you interupted. V8 > 6cyl > 4cyl and theres no replacement for displacement, especially with boost. Thank you come again

locky time