I hate Nascar!
I have not seen any Nascar (Losers) Fans on this site?
Are there any fans out there, or is it really as bad as I think?
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I hate Nascar!
I have not seen any Nascar (Losers) Fans on this site?
Are there any fans out there, or is it really as bad as I think?
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I've been a fan for years. And don't start with that loser crap. Other than "Watching cars go round in circles is boring", I'll guarantee that you can't come up with a single valid arguement to demerit it...
But unforunately, this year, it WILL suck. The people that make NASCAR what it is will reject it with the introduction of Toyota and the new uniform car design. The "fairweather" fans that many to credit as the reason of NASCARs recent success dont matter. After all, they are called "fairweather" fans for a reason ;)
Circles get old, other then that... well you got me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
And the 2nd paragraph is right on the money... and I will not lie I will watch it if there is no other racing at all. Just expressing my view, hey it makes much
cash so I have to be the minority.
Are U going to watch any of the Rolex 24?
I drove circle track years back on a local level. It was plenty of fun but we would spend most of the week just fixing the car for the next event, plus the person with the best car often wins. In Drag Racing there are brackets and often it is the best driver that wins.
There is nothing boring about circle track from the perspective of the driver or crew.
I prefer drag racing and have done pretty well at it but if I had to watch bracket racing on tv or circle track on TV I'd probably pluck out all my hairs.
I do enjoy watching top fuel, funny car, pro mod, and the various pro staock classes on tv.
Yes it does for us old farts. No it don't (obviously) for the young folks.
NASCAR has evolved from my hero's of Junior Johnson/Richard Petty/Bobby Issac/David Pearson and the likes....hard nosed, grease all over em, working on their own cars....no polish on any of those guys...just hard core gearheads....I called those guys race car guys.....Today we have pretty boys who don't know a spark plug from an oil filter....are paid millions to "advertise and pose for pictures"....I call em pussy's. But NASCAR is one big som bitch...more fans for sure than in the early 60's when maybe twice a year ABC Wide World of Sports would have a "blurb" on NASCAR.....and by the way...we all knew it as Stock Car Racing....didnt even know what in the hell a NASCAR was....So to sum it up....I don't think the old Stock Car Racing scene would survive in todays world of Paris Hilton and all the fame and glitz required from damn near anything to provide a fan base....so todays NASCAR is what you must have....all the pretty boys...and marketing hype...and 7X24X365 Speed Channel coverage and mini series of Life on the Road bullshit....
But ol Junior Johnson given a 2007 car and in his hey day would wipe the track with JR. and Tony Stewart and the likes....and then whip their ass in the pits if they had anything to say :) So no I dont like the glitter of todays NASCAR but I understand it.
to us big city boys, nascar is viewed as a toothless mullet wearing redneck sport.
i mean driving around in circles waiting for a draft is a bore.
then again, just about any racing is looked upon as a hillbilly sport
[QUOTE=nhraformula;573168]to us big city boys, nascar is viewed as a toothless mullet wearing redneck sport.
i mean driving around in circles waiting for a draft is a bore.
then again, just about any racing is looked upon as a hillbilly sport[/QUOTE
so why do u big city boys have a nascar event ?
well said :yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
yep, ol' school nascar was the balls, todays nascar sucks ass. Bunch of pampered pussies
[QUOTE=rrgray8;573176]we do?Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
[QUOTE=nhraformula;573230]Right on! :nana:Quote:
Originally Posted by rrgray8
Is it just me...or do two of the letters that make up NASCAR stand for STOCK CAR??
[QUOTE=nhraformula;573230]He's probably thinking of the Joliet raceway?Quote:
Originally Posted by rrgray8
[QUOTE=Trouble maker;573287]joilet=nasty, i wont go there, inbred heaven, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
Yea NASCAR sux,lol. U cant go wrong with 8,000 Horsepower top fueler's
I think the cars are all to even.. They got into this whole "fair and equal" thing ... Raceing is not about being fair it is about the best car and the best driver ...Money will always come in first , if you want equal get one of the lesser NASCAR series .. Cup boys should be about whatever takes to make it faster period ....
Like I said before I went to the Big Track in Talladega and of the 3 races ...CUP, Trucks , and ARCA ... ARCA put on the best show ..it looked like NASCAR used to look... IMO....
But to you "big city boys" its OK to run your Ford Explorers and 3 series BMWs at 90-100MPH in circles on the beltway, drafting (tailgating to city folk) others? And running in packs of shitty little ricers "racing" in highway traffic is considered.... hillbilly? :Pow:Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
NO.
I grew up with the old "Grand National" racing in North Carolina. I lived a mile from Richard Petty's garage and used to go watch racing all the time. During those years and in the state of NC itself, racing was very much alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
I'm with you on the fact that NASCAR is not what it used to be 30-40 years ago, but if it was, it wouldn't be here. NASCAR is a commercial juggernaut. The lengths at which they go to identify new markets and what to market are really amazing. You can't argue with the commercial success that they have achieved.
Having said all that, I am still a NASCAR fan. One of the reasons is the tremendous amount of skill it takes to drive a car on the razor's edge of wrecking, all at speeds that are beyond comprehension for most people. The average person and most of the people on this forum would have absolutely no success at reaching the performance level required of these guys at just about any track on the schedule, much less doing it for 3-4 hours at a time. If any of you think so, you are deluding yourself.
I watch it because its fun and entertaining. I go to quite a few races and enjoy the competition and I'm with 200,000 people that enjoy the same thing I do.
+1 They should go back to the early days fender rubbin',no restricter,balls out,run it to you hear screadin' metal and smell shit!:yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nastyfoot
Well said. I've got some videos of late 50s - early 60's NASCAR and it's was a totally different world. A lot more realistic, so to speak, with regards to both the drivers, crews and the cars back then. Easier to relate to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
I guess I can say maybe I only dislike it compared to most/almost all
other forms of racing on 4 or 2 wheels. There is no show I that I would
or even could watch over Nascar, that does not involve racing of some
form.
I only watch the news, discover channel(etc), Speed or racing of many forms
with no care of what station/kind of track!
1st: F1 (hate me or not)
2nd: (In no real order)
A1 Grand Prix
Australian V8 Supercars
British Touring Car Championship
Championship Off-Road Racing
German Touring Cars
IHRA Drag Racing
Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series
Lucas Oil On the Edge
PINKS
PINKS - All Out
Porsche Super Cup
Rolex Sports Car Series
Speed GT Championship
3rd: Nascar
4th: News/Hockey/Football/Other
So I was way to rough on it when I started the thread.
(Yet I started it next my Long time friend from grade school, that
really only watches Nascar in the race world and I take every chance
to #%&@ with him about it).
watching and doing are two completely different things. watching is pretty boring. most people just go as an excuse to get plastered.
No way that would be a waist of race fun (if plastered).Quote:
Originally Posted by sgt0704
Nascar is better then being plastered... I have to be honest
way way better. The truth is the truth.
A roar of any motor is better then getting trashed, anytime and any
place. I do not mind a few beers around the house mowing, cooking
out on the grill or ect.
I have to think Nascar would be a blast if I was driving, boring
most of the time to watch. Get behind any wheel on almost
anything and it would improve 19 times compared to watching.
So ditto to U friend U said it just about perfect, if U log back in to this
thread. I have to ask what is your favorite motorsport? I really wish
I would have started this thread rolling with more of what are some
off U all's favorite motorsport of any kind/form?
:yup: YES!!!
Hey another old fart! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by norm43a
Do you think most of these kids watch it to see if anybody is gonna wreck ala WWF?
The reason that NEXTEL-CUP is so popular is not because of the tracks or the drivers ..It is because the cars are so easy to identify... You can watch a few laps and know who is running where ... Even with all the sports-car racing I watch it is kinda hard to pic out your fave. driver that quick...
Yeah Jr. has a big tampon hanging out of his trunk.
been a fan for a long time......
u have no idea what u r talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by snaggeltooth
So going in a straight line is cool.:love: .......:ughlaugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
ya from one of those hottie winner circle girls :yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
yea right ..you can take all the drivers out put differint people in the cars and it would still beas popular ..... Look at all the "STARS" that nobody enen knew of 3-4 years ago and a new crop of them comeing in ...Quote:
Originally Posted by rrgray8
didnt say that way either.Quote:
Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
i mean when im at the track, i wear designer jeans and such. im like the only one there whos not wearing wranglers or lee jeans, lol.
btw, i also have a full set of teeth.:rotfl:
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
in circles on the beltway??
tailgating we are guilty of, but not because we are racing.
also being big city boys, we can afford out BMWs and such.
ricing is a stupid thing with young guys. then again nascar rices out there cars with stickers and shit
if u talk like that at the track you want have a full set long :ughlaugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
people that follow nascar knew about themQuote:
Originally Posted by snaggeltooth
and they just slid in as if nothing happened ...TV ratings and merchandising, that is what NASCAR NEXTEL Cup is all about now ....
I personally watch, or record , and then watch every Nascar race for the last 5 years..before then, I just made sure I watched...I would like to see some of you 'naysayers' , just TRY and get behind the wheel of a STOCKER and NOT crash in 5 minutes/2 laps......you couldn't .....:flex:...JUST like you cannot get in a TOP FUEL DRAGSTER and survive a run properly.
well they do have bills to pay....and people are in it to make money its their livingQuote:
Originally Posted by snaggeltooth
To each his own-but NHRA 8,000 horsepower is REAL HORSEPOWER.
that is big hp but let see them take a curve with it :yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by tornado
Lets see a NEXTEL car raice in the rain ...
they couldn't...and straight line for 4 seconds is ALOT different....I have heard Force,Amato,Denshem, and others say they respect all the great NASCAR drivers many times...they are both hard...even HARDER for 4 hours...let alone..4 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrgray8
Nascar won't give them rain tires...any more questions.???:) [ the word is " RACE " ]Quote:
Originally Posted by snaggeltooth
its amazing how they drive that fast for that long and dont crash. yes sometimes they do, but talk about mental/physical toughness wowQuote:
Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
Much harder than NHRA. :yup: they are athletes...look at CARL EDWARDS and MARK MARTIN.....and all the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrgray8
Dont tell me cars cant race on the big tracks in the rain... For a lot of the Daytona 24 last yer it rained .. And they drove at night too... Nextel just afraid it might not get all the seats sold ...Quote:
Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
dont talk much at the track, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rrgray8
HEY THERE PALLY---Did I say CAN'T...I said WON'T. :ughlaugh: READ THE THREAD FIRST. any apologies I will accept...Thank you. :yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by snaggeltooth
You said " anymore questions "Quote:
Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
Yea um kinda hard to do with a 300 inch dragster with 8000 horsepower.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrgray8
Amen to that....Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
I didn't realize that being able to "afford" a performance vehicle entitles one to drive like an asshole like it seems to with the NY and NY drivers around here that tailgate, pass (cut-off) without using signals, and weave aimlessly through the lanes while yaking it up on their cell fones.Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
To those drivers, please stay the fuck out of my state. There are better routes to drive between NYC and Boston.
(FWIW, I could grab a new BMW-7xx cash, but I wouldn't want to be associated with the masses that drive them around here.)
But they didn't do it on slicks. You have to have treads, otherwise, you are in the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by snaggeltooth
true that ..... I think they make enough money to buy a set or 2 .....:yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by norm43a
And name one major sporting entity that doesn't do that (except the NHL and its TV package). The merchandising, star promotion, the whole marketing package is what is required for a sport in today's society.Quote:
Originally Posted by snaggeltooth
The NBA wouldn't be where it is today if not for the foresight of the commissioner's staff to promote the league and owners like Mark Cuban going out and making sure people hear about the sport.
Major league baseball, football, the NHL, and yes, NASCAR, all have superb marketing teams that make sure the word is out there and entice people to flip over to the channel and watch.
The only exception right now is the NHL and its TV package for nationally televised games. Most people wouldn't know what channel to turn to in order to watch a game. Fortunately, I am in Dallas and all the Star's games are on one of two channels. But for the rest of the league action if you don't have cable, tough luck. Until the end of this contract, the NHL will be hurt by lack of exposure. And that is what all the other sports have going fo them right now.
My .02.
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Originally Posted by my5thNewUsernameHere
with the silly ass way you guys talk from CT (accent), believe me, any normal person out there will avoid youre fuckin state:Puke:
Uhhhhhhhhhhh, I wouldn't say that.... Unless you are being sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
I have done both. It isn't about being harder. It is about having different skill sets.
If it's a big American V8 and burns gasoline/nitro/alcohol I love it and watch it. Hell I've been watching Nascar/Grand National for damn near 40 years.:)
And we're happy with that. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
well you guys have compleatly left out drag boats! i love watching drag boats, dirt tracK cars, motorcross, snowmobile racing, monster trucks, motorcycle dirt track racing on harleys, crash up derby, school bus racing, 24 hour lemans, indy car racing, jr drag racing, jet ski racing.............ect.........ect.........
if you dont like nascar then go push each other around in you red flyer wagon. sarge is right! back in the days of petty, stewart, a.j. foyt those days are gone! a tire changer in the pits of a nascar race makes $100,000.00 a year. did you know a drag racer makes only 150,000.00 a year on avaerage. no matter which way you look at it will keep growing until it is flooded with too many rules and regulations and honda will have a nascar right beside a hyndai. i think they should leave the last american non import sport ALONE! i can belive that drift racing has become so popular that they are puting vipers and 70 mod camaro's in on it now. whatever:brick:
We have Drag Boat racing in Gasden... I havent seen one in person yet but i do get a glimps od them on SPEED and the OUTDOOR channel every now and then ..Quote:
Originally Posted by F-Bomb
NASCAR sucks because its an oxymoron.
Stock
Car
Racing
Someone wanna tell me what stock about these cars?
Id love to see STOCK vehicals out this with safety equipment and thats it.
Now I would LOVE that.
you know a lot of peoplr think that .... but you would be watching FWD cars race , and 4 doors ... Who wants to see that ???Quote:
Originally Posted by ssgtcarroll
then they sure as hell shouldnt call it stock car racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by snaggeltooth
Evolution of the stock car: Part IQuote:
Originally Posted by ssgtcarroll
February 6, 2002
11:12 PM EST (0412 GMT)
Throughout the 53-year history of NASCAR, its race cars have been transformed from road-going, lumbering true "stock" cars into the sleek, technologically advanced machines that we see today on ultra-modern speedways. In tracing the evolution of the cars that we know today as the Winston Cup Series, it's necessary to go back to the beginnings of NASCAR and its "Strictly Stock Division."
It all started with races on the famed Daytona beach/road course in the late 1940's.
When NASCAR was formed in 1948, there was a definite shortage of new cars in the post-war era. The feeling was that race fans wouldn't stand for new cars being beat up on a race track while they were driving a rattletrap pre-war automobile, so "Modified" cars were the early staple of NASCAR racing.
However, in 1949, NASCAR president Bill France Sr. re-visited the idea of racing the cars that people actually drove on the street -- late model family sedans. Since no other racing organization had seized the idea, France figured it might take root and create added interest.
The success of the modern Winston Cup Series proves he was correct. From the racers' perspective, putting a race car together was not a high-dollar deal. If a brand-new Buick sold for about $4,000, due to the lack of modification that could be done to it, the car could be raced for very little more of an investment.
In some instances, rental cars were actually used as race cars by point-chasing drivers who had no locked-in "ride" for an event. Cars were typically either driven to the track or "flat-towed" behind pick-ups and family sedans.
Other than tweaking and tuning of the engine, nothing could be done to these early Strictly Stock cars. The window glass front, back and sides was intact. Ropes and aircraft harnesses were used as seat belts. Roll bars -- which were mandated in 1952 -- were neither required nor often installed.
One thing the strictly stock designation encouraged was a great diversity of manufacturers on the track. The first official Strictly Stock Division race had nine makes come to the line, including Buick, Cadillac, Chrysler, Ford, Hudson, Kaiser, Lincoln, Mercury and Oldsmobile.
Some of the biggest problems were tire; wheel and suspension failures brought on by stresses that were atypical of normal road use. These concerns brought about novel solutions such as one detailed by two-time Grand National (forerunner of Winston Cup) champion Tim Flock, who described a trap door in the floorboard of his race car that he could open with a chain to check right front tire wear.
"When the white cord was showing, we had about one or two laps left before the tire would blow," said Flock of the 'early-warning system.'
Due to the rough-surfaced dirt tracks that were predominant in the early days of the sport, the only modification that was allowed was a reinforcing steel plate on the right front wheel to prevent lug nuts from pulling through the rims on conventional wheels.
Otherwise, racing stock cars in the early days of the sport was very much a seat of the pants endeavor. But it was one that spawned innumerable legends of drivers who created them, literally, with their own hands, feet and indomitable wills and courage.
http://www.nascar.com/2002/kyn/histo...car/index.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
read and learn :yup:
I agree , but I dont think they will get away from the NASCAR name ...but they droped Winston Cup ...if someone comes along with a big enough check we may be watching the HOME DEPOT, Nextel Cup series ,,,,:yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
well back then it was more stock than it is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrgray8
those cars they have on the track, perform way different from what you buy in the show room.
The stock cars back then performed alot different than the one's in the show room too. Tech has gone along way since back then or you would of seen alot of difference between show room cars and stock cars.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
I like watching nascar when they race on street courses. Other then that its boring.
I prefer - formula F1/IRL/Cart, and the trans-am circuit like what the C5-R and C6-R race in. Drag racing is good too!
my point is this, then or now, these fuckin cars are nowhere near stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokinjoe00ss
calling it stock car racing is an outright lie.
Yea I understand what your saying and your right they are not stock cars, but you really don't here the term stock car anymore it's mostly called nascar.Quote:
Originally Posted by nhraformula
This is off subject a little bit but hear me out. I don't really like the super speedways like Talledega, Daytona, ect. but you really have to go and experiance it to get the full effect. There is nothing like standing by the fence on turn four of MIS when the cars are running 185+ three or four wide. The wind coming off the cars blows not only the hats off most of the people in the stands it will actually knock the drunk ones off their feet. I don't really like NASCAR of now either but you can't get rid of the safety features especially the restrictor plates. Rusty ran his car at Talledega a couple of years ago without them and I believe his average speed was 235+. These cars will not handle at those speeds especially 3 or 4 wide. Its one thing for drivers to die in a one car crash cus they know the danger of the sport, but it would really suck for people to die in a multi car crash when they just got cought up in something that someone else started.
I think back in the day before restrictor plates Bill Elliott ran the fastest lap at Talledege (2.5 miles) at an average speed of 213. The cars now will run 200+ on a 1.5 mile track like Atlanta or California, so the speeds are not that much different.
And to all of you who think the drivers of now don't know anything about cars I would have to say that you are very ignorent of where these guys start. They don't just up and run NASCAR one day cus they though it was a good idea. Most all of them started on the dirt tracks in the south and the midwest, and I can guarentee you that they didn't have the pit crews that they do now in NASCAR. If i was paying a pit crew to fix/set up my car the money that they do I would let them do the work too. Anyway, I know I was rambling there a little bit, jmho.
I don't ever watch NASCAR and can't get into it.
I'll take F1/CART/WRC/Rolex Series any day.
Try driving at the limit on a one lane dirt road with a mountain face on one side and a 300ft drop on the other.
That's exciting to me.
Nascar is just a bunch over paid rednecks
Affirmative.Quote:
Originally Posted by SS 2002 533HP
:bravo: could not say it better that this old man ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge
that is a very good point ... NASCAR is a lot more than just Nextel Cup... which is basically what everyone is talking about ... And they are not called stock cars they are just called "Cup" cars ..and there is the whole 'car of tommorow ' thing .... So soon there will be very little left of the Car that most of us grew up on and loved .. The Winston Cup cars ...Quote:
Originally Posted by smokinjoe00ss
Truck series still great. People might make fun of it but its great racing. Also cheap to go watch and you might meet one of the old guys. Say what you will about going in circles. Say its easy, It is , till you go fast. Then it isnt so easy. At least not for me.
I like it.
It's fun just being there at the races.
I'm going back to Atlanta for the races this March.
how about circles with 42 other cars out there at speeds close to 200 mph? and making it stick through turns with g forces that about rip u out of ur seat? IMO its by far one of the most demanding sports for strength, stamana, and u have to be smart.. i've raced go-karts on dirt for years now.. and been all over the US.. racing in a circle isnt as easy as it sounds.. u have to hit ur mark every time (in NASCAR's case up to 500 times) with no mistakes or ur fucked.. plain and simpleQuote:
Circles get old, other then that... well you got me.
How about cars and drivers that race 24 hour road races in fairly stock automobiles? I don't wanna hear you cry how hard it is.
never siad that wasnt hard.. just sayin NASCAR isnt easy
sucks.
well the funny thing about that is Lowes has a huge hand in nascar it would be a sin for it to take over, there isnt enough money to just take over! they would have to start there own kind of racing. alot of people dont know that lowes is the largest player in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by snaggeltooth
Makes sense, I guess they bought the cup for jimmie johnson last year. Man, I cant stand that guy.
nascar on tv? extremley boring..
nascar in person? might be cool, once in awhile...
face it 200laps around an oval is extremley boring..
now i have ben to a busch north series race at lyme rock CT. and that was fucking awesome!!!!!!!!! why cant all nascar races be on a road course like that? it was action action action! especialy on the 180corner after the straight away going into the S's. id even watch it on tv! but being there was just awesome. and being able to walk around the pits and shoot the shit and see the damage and the work going on 1st hand was wicked cool.
but lyme rock should really put up some fences to keep the wild life off the track lol during a qualifying session 3 cars and 4 deer got totally wiped out!
face it 200 laps around an oval is exciting to millions of nascar fansQuote:
Originally Posted by pocheasy
i like nascar alot but i dont seem to ever watch it unless im in a pool of some kind
is NASCAR on TV big because it is that great , or is it because there is nothing better on???Quote:
Originally Posted by rrgray8
what are you talking about?!?! havnt you seen american idol season 56?????????????Quote:
Originally Posted by snaggeltooth
but seriously i dont see how so many people have long enough attention spans to watch 200laps of cars going around in circles.. but thats just me
NASCAR is OK ... But most of the time you get a race where one guy just runs away from the field... I dont care which form of racing you like that is just boreing ...except mabey motorcycles because , you never can tell about those guys ...
Oh yeah, there are plenty. Been a NASCAR fan since the late 60s.
Holy old resurected thread!
Soooo, why are you searching for NASCAR stuff from 2 years ago on an unrelated site, at 4AM in the morning. :umm:Quote:
Originally Posted by norm43a
So I was reading through this thread, thinking "Not this shit again."
When I came upon this:
And I was like "wat"Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy4jason28
And I look at the date
And then I was like :umm::sillyme:
It wasn't him-and Nascar is not a personal prefrence to answer the op's questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Didn't, just got a notify in my email. thought it was weird from two years ago, so just thought I would post. Haven't been on in quite a while.
Welcome back then veteran!Quote:
Originally Posted by norm43a