I think I am ready.... help is appreciated

So i came into some cash.... enough to finish the rear of my car and leave only 1 piece of my drivetrain in stock form.

I already have:

springs, shocks, drag bags, lower control arms, clutch, flywheel, master cylinder, poly trans mount, solid motor mounts.

I would like to install:

Short shifter, 9" rear with 4.11s, watts link, torque arm, driveshaft, crossmember, safety loop.

maybe sway bars if i'm feeling generous.

Can the above be done for about 5k?

With those parts i'll only have the stock T56 left between my engine and contact patches. That means i'd finally be ready for power adding mods.

fays2 is the only company making watts links that i know of so that's like 650 right there.

so what can i do on the rest of those things? best place for a 9"? anyone selling this stuff as like a package? OH!! i'm also thinking of going with a wavetrac.

So what do we all think???

well look at close to 4k when everything is over on the 9"

depending on where you go..some places will have their custom torque arm set up with them..midwest chassis is one i can think of right off hand..also tho that is for their custom fabbed 9" ....i dont think you need a new driveshaft either...not for your power levels yet..also i think for the 9" you just need to get a different yoke
the watts link..well that is what it is...i know there is a member on here that made his own and a few more for some members...should be cheaper...i think his name was dbrowing or something...ask third shift studio what his name is.

i think when all is said and done ..you will be able to get the stuff for under 5k ..minus the DS and possibly getting a T/A with the rear.......id go sway bars over driveshaft if i were you.

Depends on where you get the rear. A "standard" Strange rear vs. a fabricated one like the MidWest Chassis or the Moser M9 will differ in price and options. The MWC will include the TA, DS Loop, crossmember. Plan around $4k if that's the route you plan on going. Shady's right about the DS- the 9" is a little further away from the tran than the stock rear is. You can pull the yoke out a bit and use the stock DS with a U-joint adapter. I went ahead and got a DS just because I didn't like the idea of having less of the yoke in the tail housing and putting stress on a part that was weak in the first place.

2000 hawk #0041 i'd like to introduce you to 2000 hawk #0036 :)

Aetos suggested that I get a MWC 9" as well. he said that indeed they do make watts links and would provide the TA, loop and crossmember. that's a pretty complete package indeed. I'm starting to think I may need to call them and price a setup.

Perhaps the next big Q is.... do i want a trans mounted TA or a crossmember mounted one or the short tunnel brace mounted TA..... I would like a beefier tunnel brace anyway seeing as i have 3 point SFC's so tying that all together with something better than stamped steel was on my list to begin with.

It seems like most relocate the TA off the trans but that many have issues with clearance when doing a crossmember mount. do the same issues exist with the tunnel mounted torque arm? Or am i making up these shorter tunnel TAs?

Also... I wonder if MWC would be able to get their hands on the wavetrac. I'd like to be able to Autox and drag the car and it seems the wavetrac is equally suited to both as well as being quiet and civil on the street. $$$ yeah but seems to be a quality piece.

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Originally Posted by LSCyaL8R

2000 hawk #0041 i'd like to introduce you to 2000 hawk #0036 :)

Aetos suggested that I get a MWC 9" as well. he said that indeed they do make watts links and would provide the TA, loop and crossmember. that's a pretty complete package indeed. I'm starting to think I may need to call them and price a setup.

Perhaps the next big Q is.... do i want a trans mounted TA or a crossmember mounted one or the short tunnel brace mounted TA..... I would like a beefier tunnel brace anyway seeing as i have 3 point SFC's so tying that all together with something better than stamped steel was on my list to begin with.

It seems like most relocate the TA off the trans but that many have issues with clearance when doing a crossmember mount. do the same issues exist with the tunnel mounted torque arm? Or am i making up these shorter tunnel TAs?

Also... I wonder if MWC would be able to get their hands on the wavetrac. I'd like to be able to Autox and drag the car and it seems the wavetrac is equally suited to both as well as being quiet and civil on the street. $$$ yeah but seems to be a quality piece.

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mwc supplies the torque arm as it is a custom made torque arm for that rear..i would think it would be a tunnel mount.

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Originally Posted by LSCyaL8R

2000 hawk #0041 i'd like to introduce you to 2000 hawk #0036 :)

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Good to meet you #0036! Best year for the 'Hawk- just my opinion, of course. :rockon:

The MWC rear comes with either tunnel or full length torque arm- full length comes with a new trans x-member but no DS Loop, tunnel mount has DS Loop. Both are custom and only work with their rear. They do have a Wavetrac setup, you'd have to check with them.

that's excellent information right there. exactly what i'm looking for. I think a tunnel mount would be best for my purposes since it comes with the loop and brace. a wavetrac setup would be awesome and i have heard of them making watts links.... seriously need to give them a call and see what they can do on a price.

I happen to like the look of the cast 9" housings better than the welded steel housings but if the price is right, i've heard good things about them. It's also under the car amirite? :D

and yeah 2000 was an excellent year. I love all the compliments i get on my ol' lumpy spoiler!!!

FYI SLP build numbers peg my combo as a 1 of 10 build.

I am trying to get a group by on a MWC rear. They would be shipped to my work or house and we would all save in shipping and buying more than one. Time frame is jan/feb at the earliest pending people

JAN FEB!?!? I was thinking like getting this sucker installed by the mid/end of Sept for our Sept/Oct track shenanigans :lol:

I imagine something like:

So whatcha runnin?

ME? i'm stock.... right down to the exhaust.

Rip off some mid 12's

:firedevil:

Even though I put long tubes and an ORY, I kept the stock SLP dual/dual exhaust- sounds amazing stock and even better when you send a more flow through it!

I couldn't agree more about the immediate need- my car is up on jack stands waiting for the rear end. Friggin' posi split in half- seriously, in half.

SLP's numbers show mine as a 1 of 10 for Bright Red with a M6, T-tops and Ol' Lumpy, but it's actually a 1 of 1 because they put some random color decals on the doors that I've yet to match up. Instead of the normal Yellow and Orange logo on the Bright Red, mine Firehawk logos are Gold and Maroon.

yeah i couldn't match up ALL my options on the build number sheet. I am fairly certain that i am less than 1 of 10. I have the lube option :lol: I kinda like the stock exhaust sound. probably will be the last part of the system i change.

Maybe we can get a small group together for a near future purchase. If you are ready i kinda am as well.. let's see if anyone else wants in and perhaps arrange a conference call or something.

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Originally Posted by LSCyaL8R

JAN FEB!?!? I was thinking like getting this sucker installed by the mid/end of Sept for our Sept/Oct track shenanigans :lol:

I imagine something like:

So whatcha runnin?

ME? i'm stock.... right down to the exhaust.

Rip off some mid 12's

:firedevil:

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Well I cant buy it that soon b/c of funds.

Get h/c/i and bypass the 12's.

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Originally Posted by 02Sweet

I am trying to get a group by on a MWC rear. They would be shipped to my work or house and we would all save in shipping and buying more than one. Time frame is jan/feb at the earliest pending people

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that is when I plan on getting my rear!! I would love to go down on that with you but I just bought a umi TA recently and i don't want to pay for another one just to use a mwc rear. that would cancel out the benefit of the group deal discount for me.. now I wish I would of held off on the TA.....

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Originally Posted by xmarkx

that is when I plan on getting my rear!! I would love to go down on that with you but I just bought a umi TA recently and i don't want to pay for another one just to use a mwc rear. that would cancel out the benefit of the group deal discount for me.. now I wish I would of held off on the TA.....

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You can always sell the TA "slightly used" especially if the dicount on the rear is greater than what you'll lose by selling the TA. Just an idea...

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Originally Posted by bberretta

You can always sell the TA "slightly used" especially if the dicount on the rear is greater than what you'll lose by selling the TA. Just an idea...

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I was thinking about that..... especialy since I have 3 point SFC's already.... the tunnel mount TA from MWC would be perfect... the only problem is that in the future I want to run TSP true duals, so a tunnel mount TA isn't an option

Actually it is still an option. I think MWC has a tunnel brace for true duals.

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Originally Posted by bberretta

Actually it is still an option. I think MWC has a tunnel brace for true duals.

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They do I checked when I called.

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Originally Posted by 02Sweet

They do I checked when I called.

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you asked specifically about the TSP duals? if that's true than I am down for sure. we wouldn't get any shipping discount tho because I live in CA.

pm me some details about your plans and what I have to do.

wow this is starting to look like a real group purchase. is this 4 so far? we gotta hit up Aetos and see if he's in that'll make 5. I know he want's a MWC 9" since he's the one that told me about them. I know Spaz wants a rear but not sure he is in the market for one. just gotta start asking around. even with 5 people we're looking at a nearly 20k group order. that's a pretty nice chunk of business.

Yeah, unfortunately I've already bought mine. I'm hoping it'll be here in two or three weeks.

well for the folks that are in this thread please ask around your friends IRL and here on the board. If we can get a few people on board we can speak to MWC about what kind of discounts they are willing to work with us. I'd be glad to coordinate this effort and negotiate terms of the arrangement. In fact I'll contact them and see what they can do for different numbers of people to see if this effort is worth it.

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Originally Posted by LSCyaL8R

well for the folks that are in this thread please ask around your friends IRL and here on the board. If we can get a few people on board we can speak to MWC about what kind of discounts they are willing to work with us. I'd be glad to coordinate this effort and negotiate terms of the arrangement. In fact I'll contact them and see what they can do for different numbers of people to see if this effort is worth it.

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I am down for it! The later we push it off the more we'll have. I think people might take there tax refunds or want to. I just need it by the first week in May to satisfy my time schedule.

What time were you thinking?

Things to ask MWC, (I have spoken to them briefly)
Shipping will be covered! (I will take care of it due to my job!)
If we order 3 rears (assume base model to keep quotes on the low side) how much money will it be off per rear?
$50 each, $100 etc.

Then repeat the process with 5....

If we all order the SAME EXACT thing is that any more savings.
Of course that is a tricky thing. I think that would have a few user changing items as in gearing to start.

Any other thoughts.
I think you have my number and email if you want to take this off the forum untill we have something really nailed down.

yeah.... going for the same setup is a HUGE undertaking considering the options they provide. Arguably they have more options than anyone else out there.

Some will want the drag bar... some wont. Some will want a watts link, others dont

I personally want a Wavetrac with 4.11's which will require 35 spline axles. Some want the TA on the trans. others want a tunnel mounted arm with clearance for true duals.... everyones situation is unique. nice as it sounds i just can't see it happening. though we can work out the timing pricing and such together. i may give you a call in a little while and we can hammer out some details. If we build up a large order there will be significant lead time so the sooner we notify them the better prepared they will be to meet our individual time needs. Prioritizing the order list and sourcing long lead time parts for individual builds and colors etc.

This is starting to sound very very exciting.

Really what you need to consider for a group deal is the housing- width, backbrace, fill cap, powdercoating etc- and the LCA's, pan hard bar, and TA. Everything else is purchased from other vendors (Strange, Richmond, etc). They might be willing to work with the base rear but I'd be willing to be the options will be the same cost. To be honest, once you really get into it, their rear isn't that much more than some of the others and you're getting a much better product. I looked into it- a rear from Moser or Strange, 9", posi, 4.11's, 4ch mod for TCS and ABS, brace, filler cap, plus tunnel mounted TA, adj LCAs, LCA brackets, and pan hard was about the same price.

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Originally Posted by 02Sweet

I am trying to get a group by on a MWC rear. They would be shipped to my work or house and we would all save in shipping and buying more than one. Time frame is jan/feb at the earliest pending people

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im looking to get a rear around that time like feb....they going to cut us a deal on the 9in also or just shipping???an if they are all shipped to ur house how would i get it..shipped by u so that would be more shipping????right

Shipping is free from MWC unless you order the fully assembled and have it shipped to your house and then the shipping company could charge you a fee to unload it. I'm picking my up from the trucking center to avoid any fees.

while they may not charge you for shipping it is factored into their prices. Since we believe we can arrange shipping to Sweet, which is no problem for many of us, they have agreed to factor that out of their pricing to the tune of 150 dollars.

Best of luck on the pricing- it's a sweet rear (which just sounds dirty!). As soon as mine arrives you better believe I'll have pics!