Umm? Idk what to say.
I have a stock '00 TA and I know his isn't stock but they dodge the question when I ask for engine mods.
I'm not really worried at all...and I'll try to get it recorded when it happens.
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Umm? Idk what to say.
I have a stock '00 TA and I know his isn't stock but they dodge the question when I ask for engine mods.
I'm not really worried at all...and I'll try to get it recorded when it happens.
haha this wil be funny, good luck!
Thanks, I don't see their reasoning unless the kid has some pretty bills put under the hood, seeing as stock has 188hp...Quote:
Originally Posted by 02sunsetorangeZ
tell him youll put it in 1 gear higher than what you should be, (if ur an m6) and bet 20 buksQuote:
Originally Posted by x Dylan
he wants you to race in reverse right?
.... id say just stay beside him and rev let off rev let off rev let off rev let off then peace out lol make him feel like a fucking idiot
is the chick that owns the car cute?
19yr old asian guy... :lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by big hammer
The kid has a bad rep around school, he graduated last year. So this should be a gift to our school as a whole and will indeed be recorded. :)
Might race him in reverse., haven't decided.
Kid is an idiot,or he s/c it and now makes 230hp(personal conversation with a scion tc owner I had:lol:) and is still an idiot.
Worst case
Had a kid with a civic si talk the same game to me, wouldn't let me look under the hood. We ran and the sumbitch kept up, turns out he was shooting nitrous.
If he has nitrous I'm going to laugh at him even more hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by c5z28
But I'm not worried at all, my brother is going to record it.
EDIT: Update...he wants to throw down $500 cash as a bet, I'm 18, that's just about all of my money, I won't race for that unless i see his engine mods...tell me that's wrong?
Stupid ricers.
Celicas are slow as piss. Wipe the floor with him and send him home crying.
just say do an all engine race.no nitrous
Tried to use the money as a scare tactic? When I said ok he said nevermind.
Now it's just a free kill for me I suppose.
call him out in public, ask him what the hell he is stalling for if he called you out for a race. The louder and more belligerent you get in front of people he knows the less he will be able to back down-none of this over the phone or texting bullshit.
Well I tried to get his number but he ignored all requests. It all started on facebook when he commented on my photo saying he would kill my piece of shit trans am, so I said ok and then he went into "oh shit" mode :giveup:Quote:
Originally Posted by c5z28
Cocky ricer fag loses again.
Hunt....him....down!!!
Sounds like a loser. You gotta watch out for people like that though. Those are the ones that will f your car up when you go into a grocery store out of spite.
Tell him to shut his mouth and race. For the 500 bucks too. If he wants to call you out then he's gotta back it up. Anyone can run their mouth, but they can't beat you with it. If he chickens out then expose him for the bs talkin ricer he is. Otherwise race him and expose him for the bs talkin ricer he is.
Id race him in my daewoo lanos hatchback
Jesus. I hate internet tought guys. If at all possible, find out where he hangs out and call him out on it in front of his friends. That way he'll have to race you or be embarrased.Quote:
Originally Posted by x Dylan
Like someone else said, it'd probably be best to watch your car too.
Leave the shit talker alone it will only benifit you
its a pos jap car no need to race him waste of gas
If you do say anything tell him to run it at the nearest 1/4 mile strip so there is no dispute over the win especialy for 500 cash
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIRTY JERZY
Why is this guy still hanging around high school if he graduated?Quote:
Originally Posted by x Dylan
My friend who works at a body shop said his boss' Celica ran a 14.1 with 100 shot of NOS. It is a recent model, because it isn't rounded at the fenders. I am sure it was a GT but don't know if it was a GTS (don't know the difference except for the S at the end). So unless his car sounds insane, you are wasting your time.
Don't race him.. His throttle may stick or his brakes may fail. lol
Like some people have said...find out where he hangs out and drive by there every now and then. When you see him out there whoop him!
LMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian@DBR
Sad part is it probably will. Toyota says the problem is with the throttle pedal itself, I call bullshit. There is nothing to bind up on that. Its probably an electronic throttle issue in which the stepper motor leaves the throttle open.
Toyota = overpriced garbage.
This one by chance??? :lmao:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d6...8/100_0493.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d6...8/100_0496.jpg
i bet you will be just fine pulling him. But a full bolt on k20 on a 60 shot would give you a hell of a time.
True story. My friends CRX originally had a K20 in it with bolt ons, and a 100 shot. It went 11.0@126mph. He only ran it at one event then went with a new setup. Might have been 10s with some seat time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 180ls1
Nobody believes you are far as they can throw you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superluminal
A FWD 200HP 4 cylinder running 11.0 @126MPH?? Next time you should specify how much thrust the turbine engines strapped to the sides were pushing.
:lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Light ass car. 340HP.
Stock K20 is rated at 240HP. Plus a few bolt on's (15-20HP depending) and a 100 shot (adding the 100HP and more torque).
Good air, I can see it happening.
I can't believe that red celica...
Stock k20 is rated at 200HP. In the Si is 197HP. No k20 is putting down 340WHP with a couple bolt ons and a 100 shot. You're looking at around 160WHP stock, plus maybe 20WHP for bolt ons, then 80WHP from the nitrous. That adds up to 260WHP. You're not going to be running 11.0 @ 126MPH in a 260WHP car, even if it only weighs 2,000lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Luos
Who said anything about WHP?
That really doesn't matter, k20 won't make 340 flywheel or wheel HP with the mods you listed. Where did you come up with stock power being 240HP anyhow??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Luos
I seek out every ricer out there that has a fart can attached to it. 8 times out of 10, its some young kid who doesn't know what the hell fast even means.
The other 1 out of 10 knows, but has yet to purchase an LS engine. Then there's that one guy who understands and installs it in an otherwise piece of shit and gives you something to worry about.
you forgot the other 1 out of 10 haha
No he didn't...Quote:
Originally Posted by 98Z28CamaroJG
He said 8/10 ricers think their car is fast ect.
1/10 are only driving the car to save up for a real car (F-body, Mustang, ect)
And 1/10 are going to try and make their piece of shit ricer fast by adding F/I, ect. In which case they end up with a somewhat fast, unreliable, poorly built, worth nothing pile of rice.
I'm seeing the last option a lot lately with the availability of aftermarket parts for cars like WRX's, Evos, ect. Everything thinks they have a race car.
why the hell did a k20 get drawn into a conversation about a toyota celica. the k20 is a honda motor. that has no business in this thread.
Wiki... :lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Regardless...there are some out there that can and will go 11.0 at 126MPH.
Buddy has a mid 90s hatch w with a k20/turbo/IC and ran a 6.8 on slicks. I know nothing about the car other than the motor, turbo, an cooler and it looks absolutely stupid retarded with FWD Slicks sticking out of the side:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Luos
Anyways, its still a 6.80 car which I can't touch right now. But I know he said he was stocking up on axles this winter to prep for this upcoming track season :shrug:
EDIT: That's 1/8 mile time. He won't give me his MPH, but just said "there's alot left in her", implying the ET wouldn't match the trap speed and the car needs the 1/4 to show its true numbers
Theres the problem ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Luos
Never seen a Honda run anything close to those kinds of times at the track. The amount of money it takes to get a FWD economy car to go that fast is ridiculous. Most of the 14 and 15 second ones I see come apart before the end of the track, nevermind 11's.
The bottom line is if you want to go fast, you don't buy a Honda. I don't need to tell you that though, you already know.
Please keep us updated...its only a matter of time. Open deck, 2 bolt, high compression engines don't tend to like boost all that much. Especially Hondas. They are economy car motors, built as cheaply as possible. Although the K20 does have a timing chain, which is an improvement over their older engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMasterCraft
This was one of his runs at the said event:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
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It's quite apparent you are ignorant and cannot see reason. I know what I'm talking about. I know what it takes for an import to be fast. You don't. So, please do everyone a favor and keep your ignorance to yourself.
Several of them here. :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Again, ANY car can be fast. I understand you are basicly anti-import and you are more than welcome to your opinion.
Just know there are fast imports out there. Plenty around here that will walk me pretty easily.
Of course superluminal chimes in, any import ever mentioned on these boards and he will jump in claiming he has a friend with the same car that they invested $25 into and filled it up with gas, now it runs 10s. Why's he talking about hondas? Arent celicas toyotas? either way it's slow. I beat one in my pile of shit 91 RS that had a 305. aanddd it was the top model celica I think GTS or some shit.
I chime in to dispel false accusations and information with actual facts and proof from personal experience. That is the reason. Understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1986camarojoe
Wheres the false information? This race hasn't even taken place. You're like a broken record with this honda propoganda.. Am I right a celica is a toyota? yet you make this another honda thread.
If this dumbass with the celica challenged the OP on facebook, then put up a wager of $500, then pussed out... and now is avoiding the race all together. What makes you think he has the funds or know how to make a celica fast?
Personally when im being challenged in any challenge that involves money i do not underestimate the other person. You should always know what they could run with there setup so you know that if you can beat what would be a good time in that car that you will def beat that car if its not properly setup and not running what it should run.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1986camarojoe
You can blame Wesman for that one. I was simply confirming 160ls1's comment, and he jumped in to state I was a liar. If you've seen our track record, he is the reason for the "broken record syndrome". I won't deny that I enjoy debating with him though. He always has something to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1986camarojoe
...Quote:
Originally Posted by zinergy
+1
You can't tell this guy anything. Every import is a 20 second POS in his opinion. I ran low 14s with an 00 Celica GTS no turbo, SC or nitrous just an intake and full exhaust. I beat 5.0s on a regular basis with it. It would be no match for my camaro though. I think a properly driven GTS with full bolt ons and a 50 shot would give a stock LS1 a pretty good run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Luos
I see. So now its my fault that you come into every thread posting your videos and propoganda about how awesome some piece of shit Honda is and how every import runs 10 seconds :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Superluminal
Seriously, give it a rest.
So what magic modifications did you do to knock over a full second off its stock 1/4 mile time?? Do tell...Quote:
Originally Posted by rc74racer
And no, a "properly driven" 180HP econocar with bolt ons and a 50 shot its not going to run with even a stock LS1.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Luos
But for every 1 fast import that the import brigade posts up on the internet as an example, there are 1,000 slow ones on the street.
Buddies 240sx had a twin cam ka with a 5 speed and a 50 or 75 shot it went a 13.8 with stock exhaust/intake everything. 240s also weigh 200-300lbs more than a celica.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
This is how much I believe you:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinergy
0%.
You're telling us a 3000lb car with 155HP and bone stock down to the paper air filter ran a 13.8 with a small shot of nitrous?? :lol:
I feel sorry for you if you actually believe the stuff you post.
I believe I stated that already. Believe what you want dude I know there is no convincing you otherwise. You are one of these internet know it alls constantly bashing something just because they don't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
No, thats where you have me all wrong. I don't belive the the crap I see on the internet, I believe what I witness myself. I've seen enough dyno runs, 1/4 mile runs, and street races with various vehicles of various mod levels to have a pretty damn good idea what a car is capable of.Quote:
Originally Posted by rc74racer
Unlike the import brigade in this forum, I don't spend my workday searching Youtube videos for rare cars that idiots dumped enough money into actually make fast. I know what I see at the track and on the street, and your chances of running into one of these "10 second" imports are about the same as having a piano fall on your head.
2900lbs with the driver 240crank hp can run high 13s low 14s on street tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
ANY CAR CAN RUN 9'S!!! all it takes is a deep pocket.
And where are you pulling this 240HP number from??Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinergy
You said 50 or 75 shot...thats between approximately 205HP and 230 crank HP. And it probably wouldn't even be that high, because you're trying to move all that extra air volume through a stock exhaust.
So you figure the car puts down around 125WHP stock, and you're adding maybe 35-60WHP from the nitrous for a grand total of 160-185WHP.
And thats going to run 13's in a 3000lb car??
Your numbers just don't add up.
Actually they do, 230-240crank hp in a 2900lbs car with the driver does ad up to low 14s high 13s. They just dont add up to you, i dont wanna bring any calculators into this as they arent too accurate but if you were to look at some 1/4mile calculators im sure they would put a car at that weight and power in the 13s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
For the record a bone stock legacy gt puts down 180-195whp and can run a 14 flat stock. Yes it has AWD but its also 3400lbs compared to the 240s 2700lbs.
First off, its not going to make 230-240HP at the crank. You're math is way off as usual. So the rest of your arguement is invalid. As usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinergy
And how did the 240 drop 200lbs from your last post?? :lol:
And as for a Legacy GT running 14.0, you're not going to touch low 14's without a 6,000RPM clutch frying launch. Which will probably destroy the already weak transmission. Which is pointless.
Stop dragging in examples of your overhyped imports that are completely unrelated. The thread is about a slow piece of shit Celica, not your Subaru, or your boys 240, or any other car you keep dragging in to try and make a worthless example.
Between you an Superluminal, I think we have had at least one completely irrelevent post or video about some unrelated import in each street racing thread :rolleyes:
We've had 2 Celicas in the shop, one had a bad oil pump (apparently a common problem) which required dissasembling damn near the entire engine, and the other bad a broken timing chain, resulting in all the valves being bent, and the head and pistons being trashed.
^ :kick: TELL HIM THIS IS ALL HE IS DOING :blah:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian@DBR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
2900lbs with a 200lbs driver, 2700lbs without. Since i was comparing the curb weight of the lgt i used the curb weight of the 240sx. Once again you are misinformed as the weak wrx 5 speed from the 02-05 is not the same as the legacy transmission. I only use other examples because i dont know anyone with a celica, just trying to compare cars with simular hp and weight or showing how cars with the same hp but more weight are putting down numbers you say are impossible. Just trying to show you how you know very little about what cars can do what. The OP should know what could happen, though its not likly this celica is running 13s it isnt impossible.
Umm so what ever happened to the celica race?
The S means he has a "scoop" on his hood LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by 00LS12LS6Z28
^ No, the difference between the GT and the GTS is that the GTS comes with a 6 speed, 2ZZ engine VVT with Lift. The GT can only be a 5 speed with the 1ZZ engine with just the VVT.
GTS = 180hp
GT= 140hp
Theyre not very fast but are pretty fun to drive overall.
its happening this friday and im gona be recorging it :nana:
but x dylan has bald tires which makes me wonder if it could do it without losing traction/being extremely unsafe while doing it but ill also record when he melts the fuck out of them when he gets new tires in 1-2 weeks
Wish you lived closer, gotta pair of MT DRs I could let him throw on!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by F-my-body
This is me. I drive an 01 Celica and trust me from everything I know Ive only seen two celicas that might beat a good driver with an LS1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Most likely, if this guys fresh outta high school, he doesnt have the money to make the car that hot.
But... some are pretty sick.
Id say you have nothing to worry bout. Smoke him!
Well back to the topic, he backed out of the race. Of course I had to hear it through his friend because he didn't want to tell me himself. Shame. :(
lol, well thats dumbass kids for youQuote:
Originally Posted by x Dylan
:yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinergy
Look at it as a good thing. Not to lecture anyone here because Lord knows I've done ALOT of street racing in my day, but the tracks are opening within a month to maybe a month and a halfs time. Save it for where it really matters and traction can be found much easier! And the way I look at it is like this... if you bring your car to the track to run somebody for money, there's no excuses! Miss a shift, something broke, don't cry! You came with enough confidence to run it or shut it! I speak from both sides of the table...
EDIT: Forgot to add that I'm talking about when money is on the line!
Unless he has an LS1 swapped into that celica, no amount of NO2 or boost in the world is gonna save his as$$!!! Roll up the 500 in twenties, call him out and smack his ass in the face with it when he starts to talk ISH again! It would be a historic, never forgotten event with a rainstorm of greenbacks and tears!
Hi guys , im new here but i had to chime in on this thread. im a little older then most of the import crowd and a little younger then the old muscle car guys so i fall right between and over the years i have done my share of building of each type of car. a few examples are a 77 nova that ran 12.5 motor and 11.2 on a shot with a 350 sb, a 91 crx SOHC 1.6 that went a best of 11.6, a 93 civic hatch 1.8 DOHC that went a best of 10.7 and my current project a LS1 powered 240z that runs low 10s, any way my point is to assume that you know what the celica can run with out seeing under the hood is just crazy, all of my cars looked like stock daily drivers and other then aftermarket rims gave no indication of how they ran and you had no clue until you was looking at my taillights pulling away. if the celica is only bolt ons you have little to worry about, if its boosted or running a decent shot it could beat you especially from a roll. I raced many transams and camaros with both the crx and civic and never had any of them give me the slightest problem. but my ls1 datsun would destroy my crx from a dig or a roll but my civic would probably run away from the datsun at a higher MPH roll since it did trap higher mph in the 1/4 even though it was much slower in ET.
Finally, someone who understands both sides of the fence. My cars, and my friend's cars looked the same with completely stock exterior, yet they run in the 10s. At first glace, most people would laugh at our cars, never suspecting that 400-500whp lie underneath. Then again, that is the beauty of the sleeper. There is much more gratification when you destroy someone who previous thought they were easily going to beat you. Again, like you, I have raced several LS1 TransAms, Camaros, and Corvettes and I never had a problem with any on the street, and that's with me laying down rubber in 3rd gear on drag radials. I don't see many, if any, street Fbodies that trap in the 130s where I live, and the ones that are very fast are hauled out to the drag strip on a trailer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbohatch
That is the beauty of these imports. While most people think they are worthless trash (which is true for a majority of them), this provides a mask to the rest of us who are actually very fast. I mean when you look at a muscle car, you expect it to be fast, you are just proving the point by racing ricers. You look at an import, and you expect 16s in the 1/4, not a 10s car.
Anyways, to the OP. If it's a GTS with bolt ons, you'll most likely spank him.... however, if he's packing a nicely tuned nitrous shot as well, you may have yourself a race. Like always, against a FWD car... go from the dig.
Here is a Celica GTS on bolt ons, 100 shot, and slicks - 12.8@106:
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Super - Nice well-written response. Glad to see we're back on track:)
You've raced many Trans Ams (its two words) and Camaros in your Civic and CRX and never had any of them give you the slightest problem??Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbohatch
Were these third generation cars equipped with the Iron Duke 2.5 perhaps?? :ughlaugh:
You act as if there are no 10 or 11 second F-bodys running around. There are tons of guys on this site and others that would destroy both of your cars, I don't know why import kids always think they are invincible. There are cars here that are running 11's with just bolt ons and a converter. Please.
Oh where to begin? im far from a "import kid", i probably have children your age. as for destroying both of my cars I never claimed that i was the fastest guy on earth, your making assumptions that have no merit. the OP clearly stated his cars level of performance and he also clearly stated he had no idea what was done to the celica thus my statement that looks can be deceiving and thus my story relating to some races i have had with cars just like his. please dont make the mistake of assuming me a fool you will be greatly out witted and to make sure your clear i no longer own the crx or civic i currently only have a datsun and the wifes mini van and most anything can beat her van in a heads up but if you ever want to bracket race dont count the mini van out ;) also you would be a fool to blanket all imports and import owners in the same category. my civic wasnt very good from a dig but from a roll it could walk 9 second rwd cars with ease and allot of bikes. judging from the fact you have 2 infractions and from reading previous post of yours i can assume that most of this will be lost with you so rather then embarrass you any further i will now await your response with baited breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Turbohatch - It's better just to not even respond to words like those. I know that I don't need to tell you anything but close-minded people will never change, no matter the number of detailed facts you bring to the table. I personally have little interest in imports, but they're vehicles that go down the road, so I definately follow up with them, and keep an open mind when one is brought into conversation. The mods will eventually close this thread...
Im not close minded I simply said this thread has nothing to do with hondas.. Yes there are fast imports but I would think theyd act more like "turbohatch" most people with fast cars respect other peoples taste in vehicles whether they like it or not. If this kid had a 10 second celica I highly doubt he'd be this big of an idiot. The fact is a celica is slow as shit we can all agree and if we assume its stock the LS1 does destroy it and if he backs out of his own bet it probably is stock... and if he was playing dumb trying to hustle the OP to win $500 he would probably get his ass kicked. I agree with wesman for every 1 import thats fast theres 1000 dumbass kids with 16 second pieces of shit with fart pipes.
i agree the odds are its slow, but you must also agree nothing sucks more then being sure of a race only to get whooped hard, so its wise to not base any possible race on odds alone. and your right this thread shouldnt be about anything but the cars in question however when the subject shifted from celica to imports as a blanket statement the window was left open for some non celica comments. again the OP would be better off doing research, asking questions even gathering data on a covert nature rather then coming to a forum where non of us know either car personally and asking us who will win. bottom line is stock for stock its not even a race the ls1 has all the advantages if the celica is a sleeper then there is no way to tell with out racing, but the fact he backed out and seems like a kid who talks allot the betting mans bet is its not a fast celica.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1986camarojoe
I was referring to Wesman ;)
What do you want me to say?? You are on here trying to stick up for Hondas. All I said was you sound very cocky making statements about beating Camaros and T/A's like they are no competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbohatch
Its pretty obvious that you are quite biased towards imports. And saying your high 10 second Honda could "walk" 9 second RWD cars "with ease" from a roll means nothing. Between the crappy powerband and crappy gear ratios, I can't see your Civic beating up on any 9 second RWD cars, period. Hell, a bone stock ZR1 is a low 11 second car, and it would absolutely destroy either of your Hondas on the highway.
Yeah, but you have to lay out $100+k to get that amazing piece of machinery. You can easily go faster in imports and other domestics for much much less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
I know. He just made a reference to "walking 9 second RWD cars with ease". It was simply an example, because talk like that is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superluminal
I dont know what I would do if I couldnt go to LS1.com and read awesomeness like this thread... I would lose my will to live probably.
ok how many MPH does it take to walk some one? 3 or 4 mph is a nice steady walk in any race i have ever been in heck at 2 mph your pullling away , if your doing 55 and im doing 59 i am walking away from you with ease. ok now whats the typical MPH of a street legal camaro or trans am that can dip in the high 9s? go on do the research i will wait..... ok got that number? ok good so now you know that a good decent range is 128-133 on average (some a little lower some a little higher) . ok my civic trapped a best of 138 on pump gas and 143 on 110 :) so as you see from a roll where traction is not a issue i was indeed able to walk away from 9 second cars with ease and little effort even though from a dig my car was only able to muster a best of 10.7 granted my local track is not the best for prep but thats a different story for another time. i am not biased toward any one sort of car as i clearly stated, what i am biased toward is honest and accurate data not personal interest as most seem to be, most guys will claim that a certain brand is best only due to thats what they own or what they was told by some one they respected. I have no such blindfold on and it allows me to see that there are many many cars with great potential regardless of make and model. if you continue to claim that my data is "nonsense" or flawed i must forewarn you yet again you will only end up looking the fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Man, this guys good:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Turbohatch
Turbohatch - So I've got a couple questions... hopefully we can shed some light on this topic and keep members from bashing on here. What do you prefer more when it comes to each respective drivetrain setup? I, myself, do like the sound and seemingly "non-stop" pull that a turbo provides, and it's known that it takes less money and time to do it in a honda (generally speaking). I respect that, and in riding with my buddies I must say, I've had some good times and even better stories;) But I will say, that I do prefer a near stock LS1 with I/E/Stall/Gear/Tire and giving it hell off the line. IMHO, it's the most fun you can with your clothes on (out of the water). Again, this is my own personal preference.
We all know how to do the math when it comes to MPH and ETs. No need to elaborate on this one. I will just say that I haven't known many honda guys that have been able to dead-hook (or close to it for that matter), which presents a disguise in itself, even IF the opposing racer knows the setup. So long as nobody knows the ET or MPH, it's pretty much a guessing game. (And I do like that:D). So you're building a Datsun with an LS1 setup eh? Why the change up? Since the mods haven't closed this, what do you like most about each powertrain setup? Just trying to make a little conversation :)
Calm down. You aren't making anyone look like a fool talking about your Honda Civic. Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbohatch
What was the top speed of your car?? With the extremely short gearing in Honda transmissions and the tiny tires you were running, I can imagine you were probably topped out in 5th at those kinds of speeds.
You know, you can put in a different final drive. Granted it's easier to do in a RWD car, but they do make custom final drives and gearing for FWD cars as well, and there are some factory selections to choose from. Hell, on my import I could choose anywhere from 4.40s down to 3.30s and everywhere in between. I've seen several Honda guys running the 5 speed RSX transmission with a tall final drive. They were going through the traps in 3rd gear at about 100mph. It's not impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
Id love to see someone in a Honda walk my GSXR1000 down the interstate. Not gonna happen...
this i would love to see as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Speed_kills_WS6
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the shift light for 5th would come on just at the traps, final drive was stock GSR 4.40 and tire size was a 24.5 i never ran 5th up to red line so top speed is hard to judge i am always nervous about pushing my luck even on empty long stretches of road, 20 years ago i would have probably pushed it but i am not as ballsy any more. as for the gear ratio to mph with 24.5s it was close to as follows. this was with a 9000 rpm shift point, however my revlimiter was set at 9500 so i could have wound out more but it wasnt really pulling much after 9k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesman
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it could happen in many cars not just a honda my friend. but yes it can happen. ever see a volvo wagon walk a 04 yamaha R1 from about 150 mph up? I have :) here is how you can easily figure out what can potentially walk you from a high MPH roll, look at your trap speed and compare it to the car your going to race, dont pay attention to ET just MPH and if your MPH is higher you would more then likely win, if not then yes you could get walked away from. there are many cars , hondas, camaros, buicks, the list goes on of cars that can trap higher then a stock or even bolt on 1000 cc GSXR most of the decent GSXRs i have seen run can trap between 140 and 150 as a good average, again some higher some lower, lets say yours is on the higher end due to mods and your a awesome rider, there are still street legal hondas that are trapping over 150 :) and other cars as well including camaros and corvettes. are there as many hondas on the highway that can trap that high as there are GSXR's? nope not even close so the odds are slim so dont say "it aint going to happen" instead be truthful and say the chances are slim that it will happen. since this thread is about a celica thats made by toyota I must share a video of Ryans street legal daily driven supra, Ryan is pretty well known for his skill with these supras. any way we have gotton this debate pretty far off course but i am really enjoying providing you guys with data to shed some light on topics you seem to need educated on a little better, so why dont we start a thread dedicated to just this debate and get this guys back on course, any way with out further ado here is a very quick toyota .[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUsAQSGnelk[/ame]Quote:
Originally Posted by Speed_kills_WS6
Turbohatch...Thank God and Welcome to this forum. It is very refreshing having someone with such experience and hard facts put input into threads. Enough of the petty "I HATE IMPORTS" "I HATE MUSCLE" hopefully you're presence will dispell the bias and widen our horizons. Can't wait to read more posts from you :Popcorn: