Anybody tweak your truck with HPtuners?

**Cutlass** · 09-12-2011, 05:34 PM

Yep, off the forum. There's a couple of threads asking what the heck the timing table is for. So one of the moderators gave that explanation

**Firebirdjones** · 09-12-2011, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Cutlass

Yep, off the forum. There's a couple of threads asking what the heck the timing table is for. So one of the moderators gave that explanation

Well shucks, I was hoping there was a setting I could change. Every single table is like that. Seems it reads a couple sentences and just as it's about to explain how it works it dissappears off the bottom of the page,,,,ARG!!!

**Firebirdjones** · 09-12-2011, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Sweet Chops

Well After my 375 mile round trip 80% interstate 72mph. I averaged 18.4. That was with the bed of my truck full and pulling a 12' boat.
I think I'm happy. Now I want to see what I can get with the truck empty.

There ya go, that's great while pulling something, even if it's small. I'll bet you'll top 20 empty easily. I assume you have gotten this mileage tuning trick figured out??
I'm thinking my 6.0 will top 20 if I can get a nice extended highway cruise. I did about 60 miles highway going between 70-75 mph, and another 50 miles in the city with more stop and go than I care to mention, and I still got 19 mpg out of it.

**Firebirdjones** · 09-12-2011, 06:28 PM

Do you have any mileage figures yet Cutlass?

**Cutlass** · 09-12-2011, 06:54 PM

I'm about half way through a tank of gas. My previous 3 tanks(untuned) were 14.7, 15.5(half of that tank was a longer hiway trip) and 14.1

**Cutlass** · 09-12-2011, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

There are only 2 tables to work on. Your 02 sensor bank 1 and 2 vs. airflow mode, and closed loop mode vs. airflow. Both of these are found in engine/fuel control/ open @ closed loop.

On the 02 sensors I changed the switch points only under 6-8-10 airflow sections just as described in HP tuners. I left the switch points alone on either side of those airflow modes. they suggested to use 350 as a switching point to lean the mixture slightly, so I just used that.

My logs show I'm running a little more load than the 6-8-10 sections show, so I put 350mv in the 12 and 14 modes also. Its seems I cruise around the 190s to 200s lbs/hr at 40 to 55 mph so that puts me in the airflow mode 14 area. Its something for you guys to think about checking out on your trucks as well.

**Cutlass** · 09-12-2011, 07:49 PM

oops nevermind FBJ, I just went to make the same changes in my friends 6.0 truck tune and noticed his airflow modes are way different. 200lbs/hr is in around airflow mode 7 or 8 which is what we already changed.

**pajeff02** · 09-13-2011, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

Man I wish I knew how to post that stuff in here.

I couldn't figure it out either and had to ask. This should help: http://www.ls1.com/forums/f102/screen-shot-123842/

**Firebirdjones** · 09-13-2011, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by pajeff02

I couldn't figure it out either and had to ask. This should help: http://www.ls1.com/forums/f102/screen-shot-123842/

Hmmm, I've never heard of MS paint. Is that the same thing as photobucket?

It's probably just easier for me to take a digital photo, download that to photobucket and then just upload photobucket to a post here,,,lol.

That's the only way I could figure out how to send a screen shot before when talking about this new format here, of which I still can't figure out anyway.

**Firebirdjones** · 09-13-2011, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Cutlass

My logs show I'm running a little more load than the 6-8-10 sections show, so I put 350mv in the 12 and 14 modes also. Its seems I cruise around the 190s to 200s lbs/hr at 40 to 55 mph so that puts me in the airflow mode 14 area. Its something for you guys to think about checking out on your trucks as well.

That would make sense with the smaller engine, good catch. I'm interested to see what you find after your changes. I'm going to try to find some time to log mine and start dialing in my fuel tables this weekend. I'm still leaving alot on the table since it's still commanding the stock 11.7 AFR at WOT. And I think throttle response could be better.

**Cutlass** · 09-13-2011, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

Hmmm, I've never heard of MS paint. Is that the same thing as photobucket?

It's probably just easier for me to take a digital photo, download that to photobucket and then just upload photobucket to a post here,,,lol.

That's the only way I could figure out how to send a screen shot before when talking about this new format here, of which I still can't figure out anyway.

Microsoft Paint or MS Paint is a little program that comes with every version on Windows since....well a long time. I'm not sure what version of Windows you are using but, you can find that program in the Accessories folder in the start menu on the newer Windows versions.
The "Print Screen" button is on the keyboard. When you press that button, the computer takes a picture of what's on the screen. You then have to open MS Paint and "Paste" the picture. Then save it and upload it to Photobucket like any other picture.
If that doesn't work for then you can stick with your other method.

**Firebirdjones** · 09-13-2011, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Cutlass

Microsoft Paint or MS Paint is a little program that comes with every version on Windows since....well a long time. I'm not sure what version of Windows you are using but, you can find that program in the Accessories folder in the start menu on the newer Windows versions.
The "Print Screen" button is on the keyboard. When you press that button, the computer takes a picture of what's on the screen. You then have to open MS Paint and "Paste" the picture. Then save it and upload it to Photobucket like any other picture.
If that doesn't work for then you can stick with your other method.

Thanks Cutlass, I'll get with my wife (a computer genious to me). I'm sure when she reads this it will make sense, I'll watch her do it and I should be golden.

**Sweet Chops** · 09-14-2011, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Cutlass

My logs show I'm running a little more load than the 6-8-10 sections show, so I put 350mv in the 12 and 14 modes also. Its seems I cruise around the 190s to 200s lbs/hr at 40 to 55 mph so that puts me in the airflow mode 14 area. Its something for you guys to think about checking out on your trucks as well.

Is this with a 5.3?
I didn't notice my truck running in 12 and 14 mode. I wonder if it has to do with my truck being a RCSB and 4:10s. Makes it alittle easyer to keep the truck moving.

**Firebirdjones** · 09-14-2011, 09:01 AM

I would venture to say yes, with 4.10's it doesn't work as hard to get moving or keep moving.
But I don't know what gear Cutlass is dealing with either.

**Firebirdjones** · 09-14-2011, 10:35 AM

I've got a question for everyone.

Do any of you get that dreaded flat spot when you jump on the gas? It seems with these truck engines, there is a short time frame at the very beginning where it doesn't want to pull that hard, then at about 2500 rpms or so, all of the sudden it's like it was given another 50 hp or something??

My father complains about his truck doing the same thing, even with his 4.10's. My 6.0 does it too, like all of the sudden something hits it in the ass and it goes.

Has to be something in these truck tunes. I thought it was torque management or timing tables, but I deleted and tweaked all that. It definately runs better up top, but I still get that dead zone until the rpms come up.

Maybe it's something in the fueling?? PE delay?? The truck should get up and go out of the hole better if I could get rid of that dead area at low rpms.

**Mr. Luos** · 09-14-2011, 01:23 PM

I always thought that was the torque management.
I can step on mine from a dig....it will toss you back real good, then fall on it's face until about 3K.

My tuner has said with just a 50% reduction in TM, a little more fuel, and some light changes in the timing the TBSS's really wake up.
Of course, going to be differences there between the 5.3/6.0 and the LS2.

I would like to see better mileage out of my rig, but until the LS1 fans are in, I think I am stuck looking at 17.5MPG on the highway. Damn the 4.10's.

**Firebirdjones** · 09-14-2011, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

I always thought that was the torque management.
I can step on mine from a dig....it will toss you back real good, then fall on it's face until about 3K.

My tuner has said with just a 50% reduction in TM, a little more fuel, and some light changes in the timing the TBSS's really wake up.
Of course, going to be differences there between the 5.3/6.0 and the LS2.

I would like to see better mileage out of my rig, but until the LS1 fans are in, I think I am stuck looking at 17.5MPG on the highway. Damn the 4.10's.

I know what you mean about the torque management, I was feeling that on the upshifts. Since I eliminated that there is no more lag on upshifts. What I'm feeling now is what seems like a delay of power right from the start. It takes off fine, but it seems like after it hits a certain spot (same spot every time) it suddenly gets a boost of power and stays there, from say 3,000 rpm and up to redline.
I'm sure it's something in the tune, maybe I missed a torque management table that affects low rpm???

17.5 mpg isn't bad with 4.10's. It looks like a good candidate to see over 20 mpg with some tricks. One of which you mentioned that I also did to mine. I run a pair of LS1 fans on my blazer with this 6.0 swap. Really cleans up the front too.

**Cutlass** · 09-14-2011, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

I've got a question for everyone.

Do any of you get that dreaded flat spot when you jump on the gas? It seems with these truck engines, there is a short time frame at the very beginning where it doesn't want to pull that hard, then at about 2500 rpms or so, all of the sudden it's like it was given another 50 hp or something??

My father complains about his truck doing the same thing, even with his 4.10's. My 6.0 does it too, like all of the sudden something hits it in the ass and it goes.

Has to be something in these truck tunes. I thought it was torque management or timing tables, but I deleted and tweaked all that. It definately runs better up top, but I still get that dead zone until the rpms come up.

Maybe it's something in the fueling?? PE delay?? The truck should get up and go out of the hole better if I could get rid of that dead area at low rpms.

EXACTLY. That is my main focus with all this tuning/experimenting I'm doing. I thought for sure that I had it nailed when I zero'd out the PE delays, burst knock retard, torque management, and completely redid the timing table. It is snappier, but not what I want/expected. I'm starting to think I'm gonna need to start replacing some parts (intake, exhaust, cam, heads)

**Firebirdjones** · 09-14-2011, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cutlass

EXACTLY. That is my main focus with all this tuning/experimenting I'm doing. I thought for sure that I had it nailed when I zero'd out the PE delays, burst knock retard, torque management, and completely redid the timing table. It is snappier, but not what I want/expected. I'm starting to think I'm gonna need to start replacing some parts (intake, exhaust, cam, heads)

I haven't tried any PE changes but I've done the rest of the stuff you mentioned. I would think with the long runner truck manifold (that promotes torque) and the small truck camshaft (that promotes torque), that there wouldn't be such a delay for the power to come on. There has to be a setting somewhere.
I'm going to sit down with the laptop tonight and look things over again. I can't wait to log with the wideband and get the VE tables dialed in and my WOT AFR where it needs to be. I'm not sure that would affect anything down low though. After I get that done I'm going to change the PE stuff to mimick the settings in my wifes 4th gen and see what happens.

I was thinking it might also have something to do with the drive-by-wire throttle body I'm using. It has settings in the tune also. But I can turn the key on and pull off the air intake, and have my wife floor the throttle back and forth, and that thing moves just as quick as her foot does. So I'm puzzled.

**Mr. Luos** · 09-14-2011, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Firebirdjones

17.5 mpg isn't bad with 4.10's. It looks like a good candidate to see over 20 mpg with some tricks. One of which you mentioned that I also did to mine. I run a pair of LS1 fans on my blazer with this 6.0 swap. Really cleans up the front too.

Overall I was happy with the mileage considering.
I already have Kooks 1 7/8" for it, and it will be getting the LS1 fans as well. Intake, LS7 MAF as well. Just waiting until that warranty thing is up....