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[MrMasterCraft]

A factory LS1 DOES NOT make peak power at 6200RPM.

[mbrownin]

Same final drive ratio, same numerical gearing in all gears of a transmission, same weight of the trans, same weight of the doors, fenders, hood, quarter panels, all the glass, etc. etc. etc.....

The only point in time any car would be the same is if you're comparing the same make/model/year vehicle to another, and even then, what if one has 1/4 tank of gas and the other is full. One may have tools or something of the sort as well in the backseat... you really should stop while your ahead

Don't be so dense. The point is, a car's performance can be affected piece by piece. Maybe you can understand this: Assembling a SINGLE vehicle for performance, you have 2 choices for a FINAL engine assembly (no more engine mods). Each of them has the same power curve, one is 5.0L weighing 425 lb, the other is a 6.2L weighing 375 lb. Which would you choose?

Unless you're stupid, you choose the LIGHTER engine. HP / liter means squat.

[shady milkman]

Don't be so dense. The point is, a car's performance can be affected piece by piece. Maybe you can understand this: Assembling a SINGLE vehicle for performance, you have 2 choices for a FINAL engine assembly (no more engine mods). Each of them has the same power curve, one is 5.0L weighing 425 lb, the other is a 6.2L weighing 375 lb. Which would you choose?

Unless you're stupid, you choose the LIGHTER engine. HP / liter means squat.

...look at your first posts. we were talking about production cars ...two production cars. the 4th gens and 5th gens and the new 5.0...and you said the most important thing to ask is what is the hp to weight of the engine. which means nothing in production terms where two different platforms are being used.

[BKHgto04]

Don't be so dense. The point is, a car's performance can be affected piece by piece. Maybe you can understand this: Assembling a SINGLE vehicle for performance, you have 2 choices for a FINAL engine assembly (no more engine mods). Each of them has the same power curve, one is 5.0L weighing 425 lb, the other is a 6.2L weighing 375 lb. Which would you choose?

Unless you're stupid, you choose the LIGHTER engine. HP / liter means squat.

The only way this point even makes sense is if you are comparing each engine in the same chassis then yes you would want the lighter engine. If both vehicles have the same final weight then your point will not prove anything.

[mbrownin]

...look at your first posts. we were talking about production cars ...two production cars. the 4th gens and 5th gens and the new 5.0...and you said the most important thing to ask is what is the hp to weight of the engine. which means nothing in production terms where two different platforms are being used.

No, I didn't say any such thing. Only that HP / liter is less noteworthy than HP / lb.

[ggino85]

Hey i was reading somewhere that the new 5.0 was putting out good horsepower/torque numbers but it was having trouble getting it to the ground.....it wasnt pulling good track times or something, i think i read it in the GM High-Tech magazine or another forum....i'll try to find it.

[MrMasterCraft]

No, I didn't say any such thing. Only that HP / liter is less noteworthy than HP / lb.

HP/Liter is definately a stupid argument.
HP/LB is arguable because of pending factors such as weight transfer, power curves, gearing, etc.
HP/Engine Weight is just downright ignorant

[slims00ls1z28]

A factory LS1 DOES NOT make peak power at 6200RPM.

And a 2010 Camaro SS DOES NOT come with an LS1, they have L99's and LS3's.

[MrMasterCraft]

He probably meant the 5.0 makes peak power at 7000 rpm vs the 6200 of LS's, which they do.

Sorry didn't see where you specified the L99 and LS3, when you were REPLYING to a post that specified LS1

[MrMasterCraft]

Don't be so dense.

The point is, a car's performance can be affected piece by piece.

YOU argued that if the cars are the same in all weight aspects, the guy with the lightest motor wins... I find this contradictory from what I understand upon this implication

Maybe you can understand this.

I'm all ears... educate me

Assembling a SINGLE vehicle for performance, you have 2 choices for a FINAL engine assembly (no more engine mods).

What we're the mods to begin with?

Each of them has the same power curve?.

Ok, so whatever the mods are, they *magically* have the same power curve, and I'm "guessing" they make the same numbers across the board, as well as peak HP/TQ? HA! That's realistic!

one is 5.0L weighing 425 lb, the other is a 6.2L weighing 375 lb. Which would you choose?.

Unless you're stupid, you choose the LIGHTER engine. HP / liter means squat.

And somehow HP/Engine Weight makes a better basis for an argument than HP/Liter? This is kind of fun... keep it comin...

[slims00ls1z28]

Sorry didn't see where you specified the L99 and LS3, when you were REPLYING to a post that specified LS1

Ya I see his post was specific to LS1's. Mine wasn't, my bad.

[flash]

He probably meant the 5.0 makes peak power at 7000 rpm vs the 6200 of LS's, which they do. HP to weight, the 5.0 should have a slight lead, however the final weight of the mustang is not out yet that I know of so an accurate hp/weight comparison of the SS vs 5.0 is still up in the air.

Its estimated at 3600.

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...g_GT_Specs.pdf

[98Z28CamaroJG]

Its estimated at 3600.

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...g_GT_Specs.pdf

hey our M6's still get better gas mileage stock! haha

[mrr23]

went off topic