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04-27-2009, 11:59 AM #1
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Need your help
Fucking Ethanol boys are asking the government for a new standard of all gasoline being 15% Ethanol. 10% is a joke as is the entire bullshit myth of Ethanol. The Ethanol tree hugging muscle car killing bastards are asking for 20,000 favorable emails to the EPA. Lets kick 'em in the man junk and send 40,000 unfavorable emails to the EPA for them. It is easy....just follow this link... Go To Hell Ethanol Faggots
Scroll down and use the "packaged" message.
Thanks guys....we do not want this crap. Just raises the cost of food and fucks your car up. But it makes the tree huggin HollyWood boys and girls all giddy inside. I say fuck em. Need your help folks.
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04-27-2009, 12:10 PM #2
you got it. fuck those hippies
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04-27-2009, 12:27 PM #3
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Signed. Fuck them. Sarge, if Texas should leave the Union could you get me a job over there lol. I have an AS in Building Construction Technology and have a strong back.
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04-27-2009, 12:39 PM #4
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Done.
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04-27-2009, 01:09 PM #5
It will never happen.
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04-27-2009, 01:28 PM #6
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I'll look into this further when I get home tonight.
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04-27-2009, 01:39 PM #7
Sorry, can't help you. I'll do the exact opposite.
Response to the food/fuel b.s. :
http://www.grainnet.com/article.php?ID=73962Last edited by FasstChevys; 04-27-2009 at 01:50 PM.
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04-27-2009, 01:47 PM #8
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04-27-2009, 01:49 PM #9
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Done, and I forwarded it to all my gear-head buddies and other like-minded peoples
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04-27-2009, 02:34 PM #10
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LOL....Gee from the corn growers association too! Who would have ever guessed? Look hard at the numbers and get passed the gobbly gook speak. Less than 1% of the country transportation needs are met by Ethanol and it raised our food prices by 15%? And they are happy about that? Ethanol is a joke and monumental failure. Tax payers must subsidize the shit out of it or it doesn't make any sense at all. It can never stand on its own from a cost to manufacture/transport/deliver perspective. Better alternatives like Natural Gas/Propane/Electric.
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Send the emails guys!Last edited by Sarge; 04-27-2009 at 02:48 PM. Reason: Cuz 67CamaroRSSS made fun of my spelling
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04-27-2009, 02:42 PM #11
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04-27-2009, 02:44 PM #12
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LOL...Nope....gotta a cold bottle of Dublin Dr. Pepper....best shit on the planet. Regular Dr. Pepper is OK but Dublin Dr. Pepper is the bomb.
http://www.dublindrpepper.com/
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04-27-2009, 02:49 PM #13
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04-27-2009, 03:01 PM #14
Wow. I never expected you to be the type to spread this lie. You won't hear me say ethanol is perfect, but neither is oil. Ethanol is just a piece of the puzzle to help us get closer to energy independence from Canada, Mexico and the Middle East.
Lie #1 - Ethanol is only 1% of our fuel consumption.
http://ethanolproducer.com/article.jsp?article_id=5252
So, let's do some math.
If the United States total consumption is 140 billion gallons(ballpark, but close) this year, that would mean ethanol accounted for 7.8%. Right?
Don't forget what the article said, increased oil prices accounted for 35% of the increase in food prices.
What subsidy are you talking about? Are you talking about the 45 cents per gallon the OIL INDUSTRY gets for blending it? Sure enough, I'm all for taking that money away from the sprawling oil companies.
You wanna talk about water? Let's talk about it.
Since you are the resident oil expert, how much water is used to process a barrel of oil? Or better yet, just break it down in how many gallons of water it takes per gallon of gasoline. If I remember right, that number is at about 5 gallons of water per gallon of gasoline.
The 'standard' water usage in the ethanol industry today is about 3.5 gallons of water for every gallon of ethanol produced, and some are doing better,( http://www.biofuelsjournal.com/artic...Use-74065.html )and are below 2.5 gallons per gallon of ethanol produced. Let's do some more math.
129,000,000,000 billion gallons of gasoline X 5 gallons of water = 645,000,000,000 gallons of water
11,000,000,000 billion gallons of ethanol X 3.5 gallons of water = 38,500,000,000 gallon of water
So, who the fuck is really using up the water? What a bullshit arguement.
By the way, we aren't starving either.
Why is it that we had the second highest corn production last year, produced more ethanol than ever last year, exported more corn than ever last year, fed more cattle than ever last year, fed more DDGS (co-product of ethanol production) to cattle last year than ever, and ethanol still gets blamed? Oil companies spent a lot of money on making ethanol the scapegoat.Last edited by FasstChevys; 04-27-2009 at 03:09 PM.
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04-27-2009, 03:17 PM #15
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LOL.....water to grow corn man....look that one up.....the 1% comes from the Ethanol industry ( where you work if I remember correctly)...I would ask you (again) to do the math on how much energy it takes to grow/harvest/process the corn and show me any savings to the environment or consumer when it is all added up. There is none. Except the deficit of water/fuel it took to grow a kabillion times more corn to produce enough Ethanol to even have a fraction of any type of impact on our dependicies on foreign oil. Not taking into consideration the cost of food and taking that food out of production just to satisfy those in the Ethanol industry and the tree huggers in HollyWood.
Then walk me through how your industry will be self supporting and get off the tax payer tit. http://www.porkmag.com/news_editoria...720&ed_id=6727
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04-27-2009, 03:21 PM #16
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But I dont focus just on Ethanol as a replacement for gasoline and am smart enough not to ever fall for the liberal slanted bullshit argument about relacing our dependancy on foreign oil.....
Originally Posted by St.Petersburg Times
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04-27-2009, 03:22 PM #17
Oh come on - that link is a joke! That's just an opinion. Corn is half as much as it was last year. Anyone that used corn suffered last year at 7 dollar corn. Did 10% really make a difference. I doubt it.
I will get back to you on how much energy it takes to grow/harvest/process the corn, as I do have that data at work. I gotta get to work on changing a head gasket on my TTA.
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04-27-2009, 03:26 PM #18
Ethanol is not, and never will be the 'silver bullet' to save the world. It wasn't ever intended to be.
In the 90's when plants started being built more often in Minnesota, the reason Co-ops were formed was to find another market for the SURPLUS corn that had no where to go, and to add value to corn. It wasn't for energy independence, even though that seems to have become the thought in some cases. It is true that ethanol decreases oil imports.
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04-27-2009, 03:33 PM #19
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You give me a link from corngrowersethanollovers.com and make fun of my link!?So according to your rational I can be held hostage by foreign oil or US Corn Growers? My choice? Wow! Bottom line is Ethanol is causing environmental/economic issues they prefer nobody talk about. Did our oil imports drop after 13billion barrels of ethanol? No of course not. And it never will. That is the lie friend.The business model is broke and doesn't work without major tax payer dollars.
The answer is alternative fuels not dependent on the food chain and there are many!
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04-27-2009, 04:08 PM #20
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LOL....me and you have done this before haven't we
http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...&highlight=E85
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