94 Z28 6 speed Vs 01 Z28 6 speed

[Eric1987]

wait it ls1 goats got 13.1 then ls1 camaro is capable of lower

[JwMonE99]

wait it ls1 goats got 13.1 then ls1 camaro is capable of lower

Stripper LS1 A4 f-bodies have known to barely break 12s.

[hutch1999]

Stripper LS1 A4 f-bodies have known to barely break 12s.

stock stripper m6s do, with a good driver

[Eric1987]

But I dont get how a GTO which weighs 200+ pounds gets 13.1. If you wanna go by that then the Camaro should be somewhere near 12.9 not being a stripper model.

[Cayenne97]

Actually the 2001 SS Evan Smith tested in the November '01 issue of MM&FF had leather seats amongst other options. That car wen't 12.96/107 in the heat.

[Eric1987]

But was it the SLP model that adds a bunch of shit? Or just a regular SS?

[TLS_Addict]

But I dont get how a GTO which weighs 200+ pounds gets 13.1. If you wanna go by that then the Camaro should be somewhere near 12.9 not being a stripper model.

A lot of F-body cars DO get in the 12s. They are good 1/4 mile cars. Wide tires, solid axles, and lots of power under the hood.

Imagine your car at the drags with a friend who is 200lbs sitting in the passenger seat. Then you have the weight of a GTO with a single driver. The launch is much tougher with the GTO because of the IRS and the snow tires GM put on them....lol Decent tires help A LOT on the GTO's.

I believe you guys of how fast they tested the SS cars.

[Cayenne97]

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Hey TLS, I found a video of a good match up between a "base" LT1 Z28 and LS1 Goat. There actually both equal mod for mod. I think it's safe to say this would be a reasonable comparison, wouldn't you?

[LT1 > LS1]

yeah....once I get my K&N, elbow, and splitter, I might be close t that magical 300whp mark....

my lt1 is sittin on 277whp, and 307wtq with LT's and magnaflow catback as the ONLY mods


on the dyno a ls1 f body is good for what? about 280-290 whp.....but the question is.....whats the torque?????? and where does it peak.


a lt1 may not breathe up top like a ls1, and I know that, but my torque band is about 300 wtq all the way down from 3500 rpm. then it flat lines..... it pulls good for a A4 car with 2.73's

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100456



my buddy might be gettin a stock ls2 goat sometime before next spring. I'll have my intake by then, and we'll make a video. I am estimating it should be pretty good, but I prolly lose.....its okay. it'll be fun.

[Eric1987]

An LS1 is good for 300rwhp

[Cayenne97]

This is one of my dyno's of my LT1 that shows torque peaks or comes close to it really quick. You can also see what a bad opti looks like on this graph as a result of a loose rotor. With a new opti the car made right at 440rw before the 250 shot. I'll see if I can find the stock dyno graph of my T/A and upload it to show where torque peaked on her.

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[TLS_Addict]

Nice dyno sheet man!

If I keep the GTO (havent yet decided) I am going to go heads/cam/FI. I need more power!.....lol

A good tune really wakes up a car. Most LS1 GTO's are in need of a tune. ITs as if GM de-tuned them more than the F-body LS1's.

[Eric1987]

But GM didnt detune the LS1 Fbodies

[TLS_Addict]

But GM didnt detune the LS1 Fbodies

Hrm.......so if you take your car to a tuner he wont get you any more power than the stock tune? GM could give these cars a bit more power by doing some tuning. Some cars run rich, some run lean, you can get more power by making your car run at its highest efficiency.

[Eric1987]

But that goes for the corvettes too. They didnt change the actual engine from the corvette or camaro just the more restrictive exhaust not being TD.

[Cayenne97]

Nice dyno sheet man!

If I keep the GTO (havent yet decided) I am going to go heads/cam/FI. I need more power!.....lol

A good tune really wakes up a car. Most LS1 GTO's are in need of a tune. ITs as if GM de-tuned them more than the F-body LS1's.

Keep the GTO! It's a rare piece, don't see many of those considering they only made 3 production years.

[TLS_Addict]

Keep the GTO! It's a rare piece, don't see many of those considering they only made 3 production years.

Its a cool car but I need to do some suspension work to make it handle the way I want. Then I fear it will STILL fall short.

I am looking at C5 Z06's. I got a real hard on over those man. I love my friends 02 black/black. I cream my jeans just thinking about that thing!

[Z34LS1]

I'd be po'd iff I spent over $30,000 on a GTO like the one in the video and have an LT1 almost 10 years younger hanging right with me. Waste of money IMO, They look like a Cavalier on steroids.

[TLS_Addict]

I'd be po'd iff I spent over $30,000 on a GTO like the one in the video and have an LT1 almost 10 years younger hanging right with me. Waste of money IMO, They look like a Cavalier on steroids.

Other than its longer, lower, slightly flared fender, smaller gaps between tires and body....lol

That is your opinion and I respect that, actually hear that a lot from F-body guys. Since many of my friends have the LT1 F-body cars it is my assumption and observation that the driver of the GTO is not a good driver. Now one this that happers an AUTOMATIC GTO is the Torque management. That slows the cars considerably, as for the 6-speed ones the only excuse to have is a crappy driver. A good (tough to find one) driver in an M6 LS1 will easy handle an LT1 F-body stock for stock. GTO is heavier but does make more power, has different tranny gears, but the F-body is lighter with a solid axle.

Remember its my opnion and I respected yours. I am not basing my findings on magazine articles either, which we all know are sometimes are a complete farse.

Also you may want to remember that even though the GTO is a 2004 that car has been around for YEARS in Australia, so its not a new design. Just a rebadged car with different bumper emblems.

[SSwt00SS]

once the Ls1 hits 3rd gear (assuming its a M6) it will start to pull away from the Lt1...