anyone know much about this mustang?

[hoss 2000 z-28]

Maybe you can set something up through your mutual friend? I am sure this guy with the 302 Special Edition would not have any fears running an old ass F-body, lol. I'm sure something could be set up for the weekend as long as the rain holds off. Anybody know what this 302 runs stock with the driver mod?

[hoss 2000 z-28]

this is a car chat forum, did you expect objective statements and categorized facts?

Exactly, lets be realistic here!

[Camarofan]

my buddy at work tells me the other day, "well my neighbor might have a little competition for you" he said his neighbor just bought a mustang and says that its a special edition of some kind, yellow with black racing stripes like 500 made with 400 hp and it was 100,000.00. i proceed to tell him that his neighbor is an idiot for buying a mustang for that much money collectors edition or not. what his car makes is not to much off from mine and it would probably be a good race.

so what do you know, yesterday in one part of town i see him but i'm cutting grass so i'm in my silverado, "damn". later in the day i'm in the t/a heading home and it had just started raining, well guess what i saw coming the opposite way, yup that little yellow dildo and normally i would have turned around but no way in the rain.

one thing that i'm really curious about is it said 302 on the hood scoop. anyone know anything about this car? it's not a shelby gt, and i don't think its a roush but to tell you the truth i really don't know much about these cars.

The only Stang I know that cost in that neighborhood is the Shelby Super Snake(725hp). And yes, you're paying too much for a Stang, I agree cuz I'd get the ZR-1 for that money, but your paying for the name.

[Camarofan]

I don't think the LS1 community is worse than any other forum. We talk smack on stangs, they talk smack on us. ricers try to say they can smoke both of us, even though from our perspective we have our blinkers on and are slowing down while they zoom by.

Go to any other forum and see if it's any better. Everyone talks smack...

LoL, and I love how ricers think they beat you in bumper to bumper traffic when all they did was swerve to get a few cars ahead of you, looking like an idiot.

[Camarofan]

from what i've seen with my own eyes i would say the stang guys are more arrogant about their cars. especially the s197 crew. they're the worst.

I dunno, I'd have to disagree with you on this one. I was at the track today and me and my friend got an LS2 GTO kill. He got one in my car 1st. I saw the guy and greeted him and he said he remembered racing my car. He said it was faster than he thought it would be(mostly because of the stories that most
Ls1 owners tell, from what I see on most forums and such, you know, stock Ls1's beating us by 6 car lengths and stuff). I told him I had 4.10's Intake/exhaust/control arms and Nittos for grip. And I told him my car ran 13.9(LoL, I know you're probably like WTF? @ the time, but 5880ft is no joke) out here (rougly 12.7/8@ sea level. He didn't believe me cuz he said "naw, I didn't see all that" I saw this car run a 14.2 when he beat me, yet the time was on the timeslip. Then he said my car must be supercharged. I told him no. He looked at me like it was bullshit and I'm thinking "Do all LS1/2 guys think its impossible to get beaten by a non supercharged S197? From my experience, they do think it's impossible. The funny thing is my friend that drove my car today owns a kick ass SS that's in my Avatar. He had an 06 GT, but had to let it go. He said he wishes he still had it. He's one of the few humble LSx guys I know. LoL, I remember there was a post about whether or not an intake/exhaust LS1 could beat some supercharged s197 Stang. I was like ????? I don't think the LS1 puts out 400+rwhp without cams????? Then another LS1 guy checked him. And said "Face it, you'll lose".

[2-bowties&abird]

I dunno, I'd have to disagree with you on this one. I was at the track today and me and my friend got an LS2 GTO kill. He got one in my car 1st. I saw the guy and greeted him and he said he remembered racing my car. He said it was faster than he thought it would be(mostly because of the stories that most
Ls1 owners tell, from what I see on most forums and such, you know, stock Ls1's beating us by 6 car lengths and stuff). I told him I had 4.10's Intake/exhaust/control arms and Nittos for grip. And I told him my car ran 13.9(LoL, I know you're probably like WTF? @ the time, but 5880ft is no joke) out here (rougly 12.7/8@ sea level. He didn't believe me cuz he said "naw, I didn't see all that" I saw this car run a 14.2 when he beat me, yet the time was on the timeslip. Then he said my car must be supercharged. I told him no. He looked at me like it was bullshit and I'm thinking "Do all LS1/2 guys think its impossible to get beaten by a non supercharged S197? From my experience, they do think it's impossible. The funny thing is my friend that drove my car today owns a kick ass SS that's in my Avatar. He had an 06 GT, but had to let it go. He said he wishes he still had it. He's one of the few humble LSx guys I know. LoL, I remember there was a post about whether or not an intake/exhaust LS1 could beat some supercharged s197 Stang. I was like ????? I don't think the LS1 puts out 400+rwhp without cams????? Then another LS1 guy checked him. And said "Face it, you'll lose".

"Do all LS1/2 guys think its impossible to get beaten by a non supercharged S197? From my experience, they do think it's impossible."

maybe not impossible but highly unlikely. give those same mods to a ls1, (4.10's Intake/exhaust/control arms and Nittos for grip) and my money would be on the ls1 any day.

"LoL, I remember there was a post about whether or not an intake/exhaust LS1 could beat some supercharged s197 Stang. I was like ????? I don't think the LS1 puts out 400+rwhp without cams????? Then another LS1 guy checked him. And said "Face it, you'll lose""

i'll give you that, but put a supercharger on an ls1 and see what the outcome is. the point is for a car that hasn't been in production for almost 10 years they fair very well against fords best. but that is typical of ford, most of their lineup takes about 8-10 years to catch up with gm. look at the 2008 f-150 300hp, shit my z71 was rated at 280 hp in 1999.

[00 formula]

Wow, I can't believe this thread actually turned this much in to the whole F-body vs Mustang argument again.

Lets be honest we're all about as conceded about our cars as each other, and we should be as enthusiasts we have every right to be.

Bottom line, stock for stock a F-body is quicker then a Mustang but when you get in to modding it's anyone's game and Mustangs have the advantage of being a lot cheaper to mod and the last 10+ years Ford has spent mostly on design (not drivetrain) so by now they do have a better interior comfort level.

[00 formula]

Oh and for the Mustang guys we're happy to have your insight and it may seem that we are somewhat biased in our argument but that's because we are and you're on a GM car forum. I definately don't whine this damn much when some one talks smack about GM on a Mustang forum. The whining comment is only directed at certain mustang members on this site, not all.

[blackbirdbrain89]

back to the start its a 302 parnelli jones its a dohc 4.6 bored over to a 302 they clam there only going to make 10000 for them or some b/s but at my local ford dealer thay have sold like 6 for them pos's and about 15 or so shelby 500's and i think there up to like 3-4 ford GT. as for the saleens 4 of the fast ones and a ass load of the slower ones... ppl over my way think mustangs are gods... thats why i drive a stock looking ls1 car ..lol looks stock but in street trim and street tires i run 12.9s @110 just to keep the local mustangs in check after they beat up on the ricers... btw if any one wants to know hagerstown md is and has been known for the city with the most "street racing" on this side of the us so says the police reports.. they bust about 2-10 "street races" one any given friday or sat night... its kinda fucked up thay the state police have ther own street racing unit for hagerstown but they still drive slow cars and the fast cars get a way lol

[FasstChevys]

this is a car chat forum, did you expect objective statements and categorized facts?

No shit huh???

[Camarofan]

"Do all LS1/2 guys think its impossible to get beaten by a non supercharged S197? From my experience, they do think it's impossible."

maybe not impossible but highly unlikely. give those same mods to a ls1, (4.10's Intake/exhaust/control arms and Nittos for grip) and my money would be on the ls1 any day.

. An a4 ls1 guy at my track has the same mods I did, except he had exhaust done he said. At the time, I had no exhaust mod. I raced him and he got me by 2 tenths. Now, I have put my exhaust in and ran it this year. I've run 3 tenths faster than I did when I raced him. I wanna race him again. His best time, he told me, was right on par with my best so far, but 2 tenths slower than what my friend, who's a crazy good driver, does in my car. My point is that I don't see the 3 to 5 car length stories here.

i'll give you that, but put a supercharger on an ls1 and see what the outcome is. the point is for a car that hasn't been in production for almost 10 years they fair very well against fords best. but that is typical of ford, most of their lineup takes about 8-10 years to catch up with gm. look at the 2008 f-150 300hp, shit my z71 was rated at 280 hp in 1999.

Not really, Ford can catch GM when they want to. For example, when they came out with the 5.0's, they were the talk of the street back in the late 80's early 90's, much like the LS1 is now. It's obvious, Ford is taking the, we don't need to come out with a bigger engine, because they outsell GM in the muscle car market, so far. Once this new Maro comes out, I have a feeling Ford will have to come with a 5.0/5.4/ oor 6.0, like they've been thinking about recently. They're doing fine with the 4.6's in sales, so why change anything? With what they've done with the 3 valve and 4 valve 4.6's, it would be a totally different story with more cubes, like the LS1. Every car maker has it's era. LS1 has had a long reign. Nissan looks like it's about to get the props now with the GTR. Ford/GM/ and Chrysler better step up.

[c5z28]

I have a stock 2000 z28 and have raced one at infineon. I get solid 13.48's with a low of 13.46. Raced the 302 and he got 13.2, so if your car is stock eh could be close if you got the bolt-ons then you'll smack him down. A lt-1 with the full exhaust and cold-air was runnin 13.2's so you got alot to work with, especially if you start from a roll, we bury them at top end(on stock gears).

[FasstChevys]

. Nissan looks like it's about to get the props now with the GTR. Ford/GM/ and Chrysler better step up.

GM has already stepped up. The ZO6 runs right with that GTR, and for a few bucks more, the ZR1 rapes that GTR!

[Y2KArcticSS]

. An a4 ls1 guy at my track has the same mods I did, except he had exhaust done he said. At the time, I had no exhaust mod. I raced him and he got me by 2 tenths. Now, I have put my exhaust in and ran it this year. I've run 3 tenths faster than I did when I raced him. I wanna race him again. His best time, he told me, was right on par with my best so far, but 2 tenths slower than what my friend, who's a crazy good driver, does in my car. My point is that I don't see the 3 to 5 car length stories here.

Driver Mod?



Not really, Ford can catch GM when they want to. For example, when they came out with the 5.0's, they were the talk of the street back in the late 80's early 90's, much like the LS1 is now. It's obvious, Ford is taking the, we don't need to come out with a bigger engine, because they outsell GM in the muscle car market, so far. Once this new Maro comes out, I have a feeling Ford will have to come with a 5.0/5.4/ oor 6.0, like they've been thinking about recently. They're doing fine with the 4.6's in sales, so why change anything? With what they've done with the 3 valve and 4 valve 4.6's, it would be a totally different story with more cubes, like the LS1. Every car maker has it's era. LS1 has had a long reign. Nissan looks like it's about to get the props now with the GTR. Ford/GM/ and Chrysler better step up.

Ford didn't 'catch' GM in the 80's-early 90's...GM got lazy with their engines trying to keep up with fuel economy. They got their heads out of their asses with the late model Camaros/Firebirds, and decided it wasn't worth losing to a pile of crap 5.0 (every fox body I know swaps or bores that motor first thing, and are still under the hood about every day)

[310stanger]

Fords coming out with a 6.2 modular v8 guys......

[hutch1999]

. Not really, Ford can catch GM when they want to. For example, when they came out with the 5.0's, they were the talk of the street back in the late 80's early 90's, much like the LS1 is now.

yea, the 5.0 was a pretty good engine..... then the lt1 came out in 1993 in the fbod and whipped the shit out of it stock for stock.

[big hammer]

Fords coming out with a 6.2 modular v8 guys......

it'll still be slower than shit after eating a large pizza

[snaggeltooth]

Damn Aussies make some kick ass cars ...

[05gtoautoX]

Wow, I can't believe this thread actually turned this much in to the whole F-body vs Mustang argument again.

Lets be honest we're all about as conceded about our cars as each other, and we should be as enthusiasts we have every right to be.

Bottom line, stock for stock a F-body is quicker then a Mustang but when you get in to modding it's anyone's game and Mustangs have the advantage of being a lot cheaper to mod and the last 10+ years Ford has spent mostly on design (not drivetrain) so by now they do have a better interior comfort level.

I don't think the Modular motors are any cheaper to build than a LSX, if anything more expensive.

[Y2KArcticSS]

Fords coming out with a 6.2 modular v8 guys......

"The Boss engine will reportedly displace 6.2 L (6207 cc/379 in³) and produce roughly 425 hp (317 kW) and 425 lb·ft (576 N·m) upon introduction." - Wikipedia

425hp....not bad, especially if it responds well to mods... will go nicely against the 5th gen Camaros, until the Z28 comes out....I wonder what that will put to the wheels, they better put it into something real lightweight, or Ford will STILL be fighting a losing battle, stock for stock.