Hi! Is this a real WS6? (vin inside)

**justinmc978** · 08-22-2010, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Firebird Phoenix

Am I the only one who noticed the front turn signal is a rear red one, and not amber? Kinda odd...

front and rear side markers are not exchangable, must be the camera angle

**Firebird Phoenix** · 08-22-2010, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by justinmc978

front and rear side markers are not exchangable, must be the camera angle

Maybe it is the camera angle and color *shrug*

**new_ws6_guy** · 08-22-2010, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by justinmc978

from a dealorship that seems low, and an LT1 WS6 Formula is the rarest of all WS6 fourth gens, i would have to see it in person/drive it to know how much I would be willing to pay for it though,

Well...while I've never heard of a WS6....I've owned several late 60, early 70 Chevelle's, several Camaro's and one 84 Trans Am.

This car was clean as hell....engine was tight...shifting was smooth and clean and the front end was very responsive. I would describe the car as tight all around....so I was very surprised when I started to research the car that this dealership had it priced so low. That's when I became skeptical.

I looked at a '71 Chevelle once that was supposed to be an SS but when I got there I knew immediately that it was a fake....looked awesome...but some idiot actually went though the trouble of turning it into a SS......so I thought maybe that was the case with this car.

It has 163,000 on it but it runs so freaking good that it doesn't really bother me. I saw the car fax and the car was purchased in Ohio, I'm in SC, and had 2 owners.....both older drivers. No major damage or major repairs were reported....metal is straight...paint is really good except for the hood and that needs to be redone....the headliner is in great shape except that it is sagging a little in the middle. Do the headliners clip to the roof? If so then it might just need a clip or two to keep it from sagging. Other than that there's nothing else wrong with it!

What should somebody expect to pay for a car like this with 163,000 on it?

**JohnnyBs98WS6Rag** · 08-22-2010, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by new_ws6_guy

Thank you very much for that quick response Justin!!

So $3750 is a good price for that car you think?

Thats 1 of 35 '97 Formula WS6s w/ M6 in DGM (Dark Green Metallic 48U) built. That's actually the rarest color that was available on WS6s that year. If it drives as well as you claim and most everything works, seems like a good deal to me, hard to go too wrong for that money. By this mileage, most of the factory flaws have probably been fixed.

**justinmc978** · 08-22-2010, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by new_ws6_guy

Well...while I've never heard of a WS6....I've owned several late 60, early 70 Chevelle's, several Camaro's and one 84 Trans Am.

WS6 is just the rpo code for what some would call the 'ram air' package,

a WS6 Trans Am or Formula has the ramair intake/hood/special wheels/suspension/etc

**PontiacGuy** · 08-23-2010, 06:11 AM

Yes it is 'Real'. It is a 1998 Black Trans Am with T-Tops. It was converted on July 14th, 1998. It is the 2,918th of 3,074 made in that model year. There were 1,614 models that were black with T-tops in 1998. At least that is according to our records. Good luck.

**JohnnyBs98WS6Rag** · 08-25-2010, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by PontiacGuy

Yes it is 'Real'. It is a 1998 Black Trans Am with T-Tops. It was converted on July 14th, 1998. It is the 2,918th of 3,074 made in that model year. There were 1,614 models that were black with T-tops in 1998. At least that is according to our records. Good luck.

Hey Mr PontiacGuy, long time no see. I don't suppose you'd care to share your records of ASC#s, would you? I sent you a PM some time ago on this, seems the black & red '98s and all the other years are getting more difficult to find. Please reply via PM when you get a chance.

**427muscle** · 08-25-2010, 06:19 AM

Any chance i could get some help on my VIN? Thanks in advance!
2G2FV22G322118373

**justinmc978** · 08-25-2010, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by 427muscle

Any chance i could get some help on my VIN? Thanks in advance!
2G2FV22G322118373

Vehicle: FIREBIRD COUPE
Year: 2002
Build Date: Unk.

Found 19,596 vehicles matching your year and model in our database.

RPO Description Matches Compare

UA6 THEFT DETERRENT SYSTEM ANTI-THEFT(UA6)
18,139
UB3 CLUSTER,INSTRUMENT(OIL,COOLANT TEMPERATURE,VOLTMETER,TACHOMETER,TRIP ODOMETER) GA(UB3)
19,596
UK3 ELECTRONIC SYSTEM,ACCESSORY CONTROL ELEK ACSRY CONT SYS(UK3)
18,062
U75 ANTENNA,POWER(CHROME) PWR ANT(U75)
19,596
VM3 LABEL INFORMATION CONSUMER, CONTAINS BPR IMP STANDARD FOR FRT 5 MPH & RR 5 MPH 5 MPH BUMPER INFO LABEL(VM3)
17,376
V12 COOLING SYSTEM,POWER STEERING FLUID P/S CLG SYS(V12)
11,173
V73 VEHICLE STATEMENT - US/CANADA US/CANADA VEHICLE STATEMENT(V73)
19,596
WS6 PERFORMANCE PACKAGE,SPECIAL(MERCHANDISING OPTION) SPECIAL PERFORMANCE PKG(WS6)
8,162
WS9 MODEL CONVERSION FORMULA(MERCHANDISING OPTION) FORMULA(WS9)
11,173
W55 ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM OPYION E ENTERTAINMENT SYS OPT E(W55)
18,062
Y82 TRANS AM PKG BASE(MERCHANDISING OPTION) PKG,TRANS AM BASE(Y82)
10,534
1SA PACKAGE-OPTION 01 (1SA)
12,876
13U EXTERIOR COLOR,PRIMARY (13U)
EXTERIOR COLOR,SEBRING SILVER MET (13U)
2,085
52I INTERIOR TRIM LIGHT NEUTRAL (52I)
2,454
522 TRIM COMBINATION - LEATHER, NEUTRAL (522)
1,201
6BT COMPONENT FRT LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (6BT) SUSP(6BT)
10,534
7BT COMPONENT FRT RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (7BT) SUSP(7BT)
10,534
8TJ COMPONENT RR LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (8TJ) SUSP(8TJ)
18,957
9TJ COMPONENT RR RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (9TJ) SUSP(9TJ)
18,957
AAA Unk. 19,142
AG1 ADJUSTER FRT ST POWER, MULTI-DIRECTIONAL, DRIVER MULTI-DIRECTIONAL PWR D/SEAT ADJR(AG1)
17,855
AK5 RESTRAINT SYSTEM,FRONT SEAT,INFLATABLE,DRIVER AND PASSENGER DRIVER & PASS F/SEAT INFL RST SYS(AK5)
19,596
AQ9 SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,DRIVER,PASSENGER,RECLINING RECL FRT BKT ST,LUXURY(AQ9)
10,534
AU0 LOCK CONTROL,REMOTE ENTRY(KEYLESS ENTRY SYSTEM) REMOTE ENTRY LK CONT(AU0)
18,139
BBS KNOB SHIFTER HURST HURST SHIFTER(BBS)
KNOB SHIFTER HURST HURST SHIFTER(BBS)
5,262
CAF Unk. 8,162
CC1 ROOF,HATCH,REMOVABLE PANELS,GLASS HATCH RF(CC1)
17,746
C60 AIR CONDITIONER,FRONT,MANUAL CONTROLS A/C MAN CONT(C60)
19,596
DE4 SUNSHADE,REMOVABLE HATCH ROOF HATCH RF S/S(DE4)
17,746
DG7 MIRROR,OUTSIDE,RH & LH REMOTE CONTROL,ELECTRIC(PAINTED) O/S ELEC R/CON PAINTED MIR(DG7)
19,596
DL5 DECAL ROADSIDE SERVICE INFORMATION ROADSIDE SERVICE INFO DECAL(DL5)
19,142
FE4 SUSPENSION SYSTEM SPECIAL RIDE & HANDLING SPECIAL SUSP(FE4)
8,162
FE9 FEDERAL EMISSION CERTIFICATION FED EMIS(FE9)
17,025
GU6 AXLE,REAR,3.42 RATIO 3.42R(GU6)
10,999
G80 AXLE,REAR,POSITRACTION,LIMITED SLIP POSITRACTION L/SLIP R/AXL(G80)
13,229
IL2 TRIM,INTERIOR DESIGN (IL2)
9,468
J65 BRAKE SYSTEM,POWER,FRONT AND REAR DISC 4-WHL DISC BRK(J65)
19,596
K43 GENERATOR 102 AMP 102 AMP(K43)
11,173
LS1 ENGINE GAS, 8 CYL, 5.7L, SFI, ALUMINUM ENGINE 5.7G(LS1)
11,173
MM6 TRANSMISSION MAN 6 SPD, BORG WARNER, 85MM, 1ST 2.66, 6TH 0.50, O/D 6-SPD M/TRANS(MM6)
5,893
MN6 TRANSMISSION,MANUAL 6-SPEED PROVISIONS(MERCHANDISING OPTION) 6-SPD M/TRANS PROVISIONS(MN6)
5,893
NF7 EMISSION SYSTEM FEDERAL, NLEV FEDERAL EMIS NLEV(NF7)
17,032
NP5 STEERING WHEEL,LEATHER WRAPPED LEATHER WRAPPED STRG WHL(NP5)
18,062
NW9 TRACTION CONTROL ELECTRONIC ELEC TRACTION CONT(NW9)
9,746
PBT Unk. 8,162
PDC Unk. 17,686
PDN Unk. 19,142
QB6 WHEEL 17 X 9, ALUMINUM, POLISHED SPEEDLINE WHEEL 17 X 9 SPEEDLINE ALUM WHEEL(QB6)
7,096
QFK TIRE ALL P275/40ZR17 93W BW R/PE ST TL HW4 TIRE(QFK)
8,162
SLM Unk. 16,568
STE PLANT CODE- ST THERESE, PQ, GM OF CANADA ST THERESE,GM OF CANADA PLANT CODE(STE)
19,595
T43 SPOILER,REAR RR SPLR(T43)
10,534
T78 HEADLAMPS CONTROL DELETE T78)
19,145

**Aetos** · 08-25-2010, 04:11 PM

Holy thread revival, I made this thread over 2 years ago before I even bought my bird!!

**TransAMrit** · 10-24-2010, 08:51 AM

Nice thread.

Can someone please look up: 2G2FV22G722161386

Thanks!

**JohnnyBs98WS6Rag** · 10-24-2010, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by TransAMrit

Nice thread.

Can someone please look up: 2G2FV22G722161386

Thanks!

http://www.compnine.com/vid.php?vin=2G2FV22G722161386

Its a WS6.

**PontiacGuy** · 10-25-2010, 05:05 AM

Your car was made June 25th, 2002. It was the 10,472 made that year. It is a Blue T-Top with a manual trans. It is one of 818 made with this combination.

**02ragtop t/a** · 10-25-2010, 01:19 PM

Yo , PontiacGuy, nice job yer doin' here. I have a question for you: Vin # 2G2FV32G422160363.... I know it's a ws6 since I bought it new in '02 from the dealership where I worked. What I've been trying to find out is How MANY '02 SOM/ WS6/ M6/ verts were made. Judging from the info I've received from GM, I figured there were less than about 200 made. While at the TA Nats last year I was talking to some dude who said he worked at GM and that there were only 40-45 of them made. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The car was ordered on the last day of April, '02, and was built on May 31st, ( I think ). If you need any more info just post in this thread. THANX

**jiveass** · 10-25-2010, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by new_ws6_guy

I was researching a WS6 that I am going to buy and found this site. What a great wealth of information there is here!

I was wondering if anybody could help me determine if I'm buying a genuine WS6 or not? I've never heard of a WS6 before I found this one. I was looking for either a TA or a Z28 for my son and came across what the dealer is calling a WS6...drove it...loved it...and put a deposit on it till my mechanic can check it out.

Vin:2G2FV22PXV2205921
I'm going to post some pictures that may hopefully help. Thank you!

i wanna know if this guy bought this car....

**JohnnyBs98WS6Rag** · 10-28-2010, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by 02ragtop t/a

Yo , PontiacGuy, nice job yer doin' here. I have a question for you: Vin # 2G2FV32G422160363.... I know it's a ws6 since I bought it new in '02 from the dealership where I worked. What I've been trying to find out is How MANY '02 SOM/ WS6/ M6/ verts were made. Judging from the info I've received from GM, I figured there were less than about 200 made. While at the TA Nats last year I was talking to some dude who said he worked at GM and that there were only 40-45 of them made. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The car was ordered on the last day of April, '02, and was built on May 31st, ( I think ). If you need any more info just post in this thread. THANX

CompNine's database for the '02s is missing several units, 7360 by my count compared to another reliable data source I have. SO, FWIW, of the 714 '02 WS6 M6 'verts in CompNine's database, only 19 were SOM. The other data source I have indicates there were 1176 total '02 WS6 M6 'verts built, so I'd estimate that (assuming same distribution of colors) there were ~31 SOMs.

UPDATE: Found the details in my other data source (looks like my estimate of 31 was pretty close):

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source: http://www.fastlsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522

2002 WS6 FINAL BREAKDOWN

100 white auto convertibles
59 white manual convertibles
535 white auto t-tops
455 white manual t-tops

102 pewter auto convertibles
71 pewter manual convertibles
632 pewter auto t-tops
959 pewter manual t-tops

79 silver auto convertibles
55 silver manual convertibles
497 silver auto t-tops
607 silver manual t-tops

127 blue auto convertibles
75 blue manual convertibles
582 blue auto t-tops
742 blue manual t-tops

330 black auto convertibles
217 black manual convertibles
1580 black auto t-tops
2071 black manual t-tops

41 sunset auto convertibles
32 sunset manual convertibles
220 sunset auto t-tops
303 sunset manual t-tops

219 red auto convertibles
121 red manual convertibles
851 red auto t-tops
854 red manual t-tops

TOTAL CONVERTIBLES:
998 auto convertibles
630 manual convertibles
TOTAL 1628 convertibles...
159 white; 173 pewter; 134 silver; 202 blue; 547 black; 73 sunset; 340 red

TOTAL T-TOPS:
4897 auto t-tops
5991 manual t-tops
TOTAL 10888 t-tops...
990 white; 1591 pewter; 1104 silver; 1324 blue; 3651 black; 523 sunset; 1705 red

Collector's Edition final numbers:
T-Top Automatic- 510
T-Top Manual- 839
TOTAL T-Top- 1349

Convertible Automatic- 492
Convertible Manual- 549
TOTAL Convertible- 1041

GRAND TOTAL= 2390

Production figures
2000 shipped to the US, 390 shipped to Canada

**02ragtop t/a** · 10-28-2010, 10:38 AM

Hey Johnnybs98, thanx for the info. Better than I expected. That just added $10,000 to the resale price of the car! LOLOLOLOL

**JohnnyBs98WS6Rag** · 11-02-2010, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by 02ragtop t/a

Hey Johnnybs98, thanx for the info. Better than I expected. That just added $10,000 to the resale price of the car! LOLOLOLOL

Tips accepted via PayPal, thank you very much.

**staleycornell** · 01-12-2011, 04:52 PM

Wow, i am a new member and just read this whole thread...hahaha Anyone still running VIN's by chance? I just bought a low mileage Bird and had it shipped across the whole country basically... if anyone is even still reading this here it is..if not, then nevermind

2G2FV22G112121416

**bluehawk2000** · 01-12-2011, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by staleycornell

Wow, i am a new member and just read this whole thread...hahaha Anyone still running VIN's by chance? I just bought a low mileage Bird and had it shipped across the whole country basically... if anyone is even still reading this here it is..if not, then nevermind

2G2FV22G112121416

You will know if its a ws6 if you look at the rpo codes on the drivers door!!