AWD Jap Turbos vs LS1s?

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by EE1983

Find me where it did 68mph. I just lookd it up and almost every single tester Ive seen had it AT LEAST 70mph, up to 73mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...ans-page4.html

68.3 MPH.

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by tonyjnjz

like i said...find a car that handles better ( better numbers ) for 30k wes...i dont care which wheels drive the car...and find one with such a high center of gravity....the awd has a HUGE factor on the handling..give it up

Right.

When you're at the track, and you back off the throttle and plow into a corner at 100+MPH on the brakes, all 4 tires screaming as they fight to keep the car on the track, AWD really helps.

You need to get out more.

**djvaly** · 02-26-2007, 10:50 AM

evo > sti

**tonyjnjz** · 02-26-2007, 10:52 AM

how about the complete oposite wes? all 4 tires screaming braking into a corner ..let off the brakes on the throttle all 4 tires grabbing for asphalt....yeah i bet that dosnt help handling what so ever....who needs to get out more?

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by tonyjnjz

how about the complete oposite wes? all 4 tires screaming braking into a corner ..let off the brakes on the throttle all 4 tires grabbing for asphalt....yeah i bet that dosnt help handling what so ever....who needs to get out more?

Once again, you don't have a clue. How many real race cars use AWD?? Nascar?? No. F1?? No. Le Mans?? No. NHRA Drag Cars?? No. And do they have problems with traction exiting corners or in the staights?? No, they don't. Why?? Because they aren't morons, and they use the appropriately sized tires and compounds. You don't see C5-R Corvettes coming out of turns sideways with the tires smoking as they are going around the track. AWD isn't needed, all it does is sap up power, and add complexity and cost without any real benefits on a true race car. A properly set up RWD car with the appropriate tires is perfect for racing.

**tonyjnjz** · 02-26-2007, 11:08 AM

sigh....AGREEED but were not talking about app set up RACE CARS with slicks are we??? were talking about much less powerful street cars with radial tires......your not talk about the same thing....as usual your blabbling about somthing completely diff....and those RACE cars need to run the best times possible therefore they cant afford to lose the power they would thru the drivetrain from AWD ..there very limited on there specs so there already searching for the power power possible.....why dont we just set somthin up so u can race EE around a track and see what happens? eh

**Wesman** · 02-26-2007, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by tonyjnjz

sigh....AGREEED but were not talking about app set up RACE CARS with slicks are we??? were talking about much less powerful street cars with radial tires......your not talk about the same thing....as usual your blabbling about somthing completely diff....and those RACE cars need to run the best times possible therefore they cant afford to lose the power they would thru the drivetrain from AWD ..there very limited on there specs so there already searching for the power power possible.....why dont we just set somthin up so u can race EE around a track and see what happens? eh

Why don't we just drop this retarded conversation since you obviously can't just admit that you don't know what the hell you are talking about??

Sounds like a damn good idea to me.

**djvaly** · 02-26-2007, 11:26 AM

4WD is used to describe vehicles meant primarily for heavy off-road use...
mostly SUV and some sedans.

**JHayesLS1** · 02-26-2007, 11:33 AM

Evo and STI are derived from rally cars correct? I guess tuners finally found out they can make fast street cars out of them.

**Lostandinneedofhelp** · 02-26-2007, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by EE1983

Drive both, see what you like. I wouldnt buy a car because my friends say its cool. Also, unless its an STi or EVO, I wouldnt waste time with GSXs, WRXs and stuff like that. They will break and are expensive to mod. Id rather have an LS1 over them anyday.

Also, what type of response did you think you were going to get from an LS1 sight asking about getting a 4cylinder or the LS1? LOL

Well I posted it in here because I'm a diehard chevy guy...I hate Mustangs but would reserve a speacial place in hell for Ricers. I'd love to be 'talked into' getting an LS1, and it wouldn't take much but I need to see how exactly they stack up to other choices out there. Just because I belittle all those Civics with fart cans on the back doesn't mean that imports dont have fast cars (like the Supra as mentioned).

The bank basically said I could get whatever car I want up to 20k, so I have alot of choices to make. I 'THINK' I have it narrowed down to a 2001 WS6 or 1997 VR-4....that will change over the next couple days I'm sure as I go shopping.

**Lostandinneedofhelp** · 02-26-2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by ndt/oos

problem is having success finding a ls1 that hasnt been torn up street racing

Ha, I would think finding a Rice Burner with AWD and a Turbo that hasn't been abused would be 100x harder....they watch "The Fast and The Furious" too much.

**tonyjnjz** · 02-26-2007, 12:12 PM

ws6..easy choice..ive heard they have a lot of probs with vr4s and there boats ( very heavy)

**EE1983** · 02-26-2007, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Lostandinneedofhelp

Well I posted it in here because I'm a diehard chevy guy...I hate Mustangs but would reserve a speacial place in hell for Ricers. I'd love to be 'talked into' getting an LS1, and it wouldn't take much but I need to see how exactly they stack up to other choices out there. Just because I belittle all those Civics with fart cans on the back doesn't mean that imports dont have fast cars (like the Supra as mentioned).

The bank basically said I could get whatever car I want up to 20k, so I have alot of choices to make. I 'THINK' I have it narrowed down to a 2001 WS6 or 1997 VR-4....that will change over the next couple days I'm sure as I go shopping.

If I were you I definitely would NOT get the VR-4. They are extremely heavy, unreliable and HARD to work on. The WS6 is easy to work on and can be made faster for cheaper with more reliability. The only twin turbo 6 cars I would reccomend is the Supra or a Skyline which you cant get.

**JHayesLS1** · 02-26-2007, 12:26 PM

VR-4 is like the RX-7, something is GUARANTEED to not work.

**djvaly** · 02-26-2007, 12:28 PM

VR4 is a heavy pig

Lakewood · 02-26-2007, 12:37 PM

Never buy an import, they all cost atleast 10X more money to mod than a domestic. For example it would cost about $80,000 to make a supra as fast as a camaro with $8000 into it. Try hard to find an LS1 fbody, if you cant find anything try hard to find an LT1 fbody, if you cant find any LT1's, buy a mustang.

**tonyjnjz** · 02-26-2007, 12:42 PM

LMAO look at lakewoods warning level....never seen an 11.....congrats

**djvaly** · 02-26-2007, 01:06 PM

put $8k single turbo on a supra and it would be 700-800rwhp on race gas.
$80k?... that's ridiculous.

**hutch1999** · 02-26-2007, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Lakewood

Never buy an import, they all cost atleast 10X more money to mod than a domestic. For example it would cost about $80,000 to make a supra as fast as a camaro with $8000 into it. Try hard to find an LS1 fbody, if you cant find anything try hard to find an LT1 fbody, if you cant find any LT1's, buy a mustang.

LOL ........ man...... ok whatever you say