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    Seeing as how Im a fan I will offer what I think is some trouble areas for a team I like despite how things are going;

    Romo isnt the problem. Cowboy fans remember Clint Sterner,Quincy Carter,Ryan Leaf,Chad Hutchinson,Vinney Testeverde,Drew Henson,Drew Bledsoe? How soon Cowboy fans forget. Here some interesting tid bits from Romo and how he compares to the best Dallas quarterback to date, Troy Aikman.

    As good as the offensive line is now(over-rated) Aikman had a FAR SUPERIOR unit. Mark Tuinea,Nate Newton,Mark Stepnowski,Larry Allen and Erik Williams. Beast!!!!!!! A far superior running back (Emmitt) an equal tight end (Jay Novachek) and a superior Fullback (Moose Johnson)

    Troy Aikman played 12 season. He played all 16 games 3 times. In Romos 4th season barring injury he will match that feat.

    Troy Aikman (1) time had an average of 7.9 per pass attempt. Romo has averaged better than that over a course of 4 years. (8.0, 7.7, 8.1 and 8.6)

    Troy Aikman (1) time had a better than 90 passer rating. Romo has never had a passer rating lower than 90%.

    Best TD mark in a year Aikman 23........Romo 36,then 26, then currently 22 with 3 games to go.

    40+ yard receptions over the course of a year best Aikman (8)......... Romo (14)

    Interceptions worst Aikman (18)1 less game....... Romo (19)

    Completion percentage Aikman best 69.1 ......... Romo 65.3

    Yards per game average best Aikman 229.5......Romo 274.9 (this year)

    Total yards in a season, Aikman 3445 ........ Romo 4211

    Here is a side by side camparison of this year to date for Romo (without TO) and last years with Terrell;(2009 vs 2008)


    Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
    2009 Dallas13 444 276 62.2 34.2 3,574 8.0 274.9 22 5.0 7 80T 49 14 28 161 97.4

    2008 Dallas13 450 276 61.3 34.6 3,448 7.7 265.2 26 5.8 14 75T 48 11 20 123 91.4

    OK,Number dont lie. Touchdowns are down a tic, but interceptions are as well. TO wasnt the problem.But he certainly wasnt the answer either. How many playoff games we win with him? Same as without. None.

    Dallas Cowboys have enough talent to beat anyone on any given day. I think we are not disciplined,we lack focus,we make too many mistakes and most importantly we are out coached almost every week. Sometimes talent overcomes our lack of coaching. (lets run the same dang play from the 1- 3 times in a row). Its a good team Cowboys fan, we will win alot of games. I just dont think this group of coaching will get us anywhere.....My long winded 2 cents.

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    I just think if Romo stays with the Cowboys or moves to another team that it will take most of his career to get to the Superbowl and even then maybe not win. Fans of Elway were so full of hope. I remember them saying year after year "He'll get us there ond season, just you watch. Next year, yeah, next year!" I see that with about half of Dallas fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMWS6TA View Post
    I just think if Romo stays with the Cowboys or moves to another team that it will take most of his career to get to the Superbowl and even then maybe not win. Fans of Elway were so full of hope. I remember them saying year after year "He'll get us there ond season, just you watch. Next year, yeah, next year!" I see that with about half of Dallas fans.
    But Elway took the Broncos to 5 Super Bowls in 16 years. He went to 3 of those in his first 6 years. It wasn't a matter of Elway getting the Broncos there, it was a matter of winning the Super Bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987BuickGN View Post
    Dallas Cowboys have enough talent to beat anyone on any given day. I think we are not disciplined,we lack focus,we make too many mistakes and most importantly we are out coached almost every week. Sometimes talent overcomes our lack of coaching. (lets run the same dang play from the 1- 3 times in a row). Its a good team Cowboys fan, we will win alot of games. I just dont think this group of coaching will get us anywhere.....My long winded 2 cents.



    +Infinity Agreed. I honestly thought that Phillips was only going to be a temp replacement for just 2 yrs max. I feel the team has no discipline at all.

    Also, it will be a cold day in hell when Jimmy Johnson would come back and work under Jones again. But we can dream, yes, we can dream!!

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    Stats are just a bunch of numbers, blah blah blah.

    Here is why Aikman was a great Dallas QB. He was a LEADER and could handle pressure. Romo is not a leader and can't handle pressure. I don't care what stat you throw out there. Aikman could lead and control. Romo can't.

    As far as Romo having better numbers, he will have more TD passes etc because the Cowboys don't currently have a dominant RB like they had in Emmitt Smith. Those Cowboys teams were a run oriented team, pass second. The Romo led(if you can call it that) is a pass oriented team.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1987BuickGN View Post
    Seeing as how Im a fan I will offer what I think is some trouble areas for a team I like despite how things are going;

    Romo isnt the problem. Cowboy fans remember Clint Sterner,Quincy Carter,Ryan Leaf,Chad Hutchinson,Vinney Testeverde,Drew Henson,Drew Bledsoe? How soon Cowboy fans forget. Here some interesting tid bits from Romo and how he compares to the best Dallas quarterback to date, Troy Aikman.

    As good as the offensive line is now(over-rated) Aikman had a FAR SUPERIOR unit. Mark Tuinea,Nate Newton,Mark Stepnowski,Larry Allen and Erik Williams. Beast!!!!!!! A far superior running back (Emmitt) an equal tight end (Jay Novachek) and a superior Fullback (Moose Johnson)

    Troy Aikman played 12 season. He played all 16 games 3 times. In Romos 4th season barring injury he will match that feat.

    Troy Aikman (1) time had an average of 7.9 per pass attempt. Romo has averaged better than that over a course of 4 years. (8.0, 7.7, 8.1 and 8.6)

    Troy Aikman (1) time had a better than 90 passer rating. Romo has never had a passer rating lower than 90%.

    Best TD mark in a year Aikman 23........Romo 36,then 26, then currently 22 with 3 games to go.

    40+ yard receptions over the course of a year best Aikman (8)......... Romo (14)

    Interceptions worst Aikman (18)1 less game....... Romo (19)

    Completion percentage Aikman best 69.1 ......... Romo 65.3

    Yards per game average best Aikman 229.5......Romo 274.9 (this year)

    Total yards in a season, Aikman 3445 ........ Romo 4211

    Here is a side by side camparison of this year to date for Romo (without TO) and last years with Terrell;(2009 vs 2008)


    Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
    2009 Dallas13 444 276 62.2 34.2 3,574 8.0 274.9 22 5.0 7 80T 49 14 28 161 97.4

    2008 Dallas13 450 276 61.3 34.6 3,448 7.7 265.2 26 5.8 14 75T 48 11 20 123 91.4

    OK,Number dont lie. Touchdowns are down a tic, but interceptions are as well. TO wasnt the problem.But he certainly wasnt the answer either. How many playoff games we win with him? Same as without. None.

    Dallas Cowboys have enough talent to beat anyone on any given day. I think we are not disciplined,we lack focus,we make too many mistakes and most importantly we are out coached almost every week. Sometimes talent overcomes our lack of coaching. (lets run the same dang play from the 1- 3 times in a row). Its a good team Cowboys fan, we will win alot of games. I just dont think this group of coaching will get us anywhere.....My long winded 2 cents.

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    Aikman was a great quarterback in a great system surrounded by incredible talent. Michael Irvin was the offensive leader not Aikman.It wasnt Aikmans style to get in anyones face. Aikman was a beneficiary of great coaching, the best offensive line, the best running back, the best full back, a possession received(Irvin) a long ball threat(Alvin Harper) and a possession tight end(Novechek). He was a system quarterback. He threw to areas, not receivers. Ever see him leave the pocket? He injured himself 2 or 3 times running out of bounds without being hit. His nich was timing and accuracy. He was again, WELL COACHED. A system quarterback.But........

    My point was Romo isnt the problem. I cant think of many quarterbacks that wouldnt thrive in our system. Put Brady in there running for his life and see what you would have. Payton Manning ......wouldnt work here either. It would take someone that can escape the rush. You didnt see a HUGE difference between Drew Bledsoe and Tony Romo? Bledsoe was a bad ass. But he wasnt a badass in our system. You have to have a Aaron Rodgers,Tony Romo,Bret Favre type player to play quarterback here. Anyone that stands 4 feet away from Flozell Adams gets around him. Anyway, Im getting way off base.Your point is noted but incorrect. Stats dont win games but certainly establish where a player is suffering or having success. If I saw 40 interceptions, 50 sacks,30 fumbles I could certainly tell you we wouldnt be winning many games. You toss up 40 TDs,throw 5 interceptions over the course of a year your gonna win more than you loose. The 90s Cowboys had a mindset...run first pass second. Our current game plan is dictated by the media bitching about what we did the prior week. He passed alot vs New York and lost. He didnt pass alot this week and still lost. What offensive player played better at their position in those 2 weeks than Romo. Not many.

    Dont believe in stats? Look at Jay Cutler. Cutler currently has a 75.2 passer rating,22 interceptions and 29 sacks. 5 wins 8 losses. Again, stats gauge where Chicago is as a team. Wont win many game with stats like that. Anways...its getting late...have a good time with this...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987BuickGN View Post
    Aikman was a great quarterback in a great system surrounded by incredible talent. Michael Irvin was the offensive leader not Aikman.It wasnt Aikmans style to get in anyones face. Aikman was a beneficiary of great coaching, the best offensive line, the best running back, the best full back, a possession received(Irvin) a long ball threat(Alvin Harper) and a possession tight end(Novechek). He was a system quarterback. He threw to areas, not receivers. Ever see him leave the pocket? He injured himself 2 or 3 times running out of bounds without being hit. His nich was timing and accuracy. He was again, WELL COACHED. A system quarterback.But........

    My point was Romo isnt the problem. I cant think of many quarterbacks that wouldnt thrive in our system. Put Brady in there running for his life and see what you would have. Payton Manning ......wouldnt work here either. It would take someone that can escape the rush. You didnt see a HUGE difference between Drew Bledsoe and Tony Romo? Bledsoe was a bad ass. But he wasnt a badass in our system. You have to have a Aaron Rodgers,Tony Romo,Bret Favre type player to play quarterback here. Anyone that stands 4 feet away from Flozell Adams gets around him. Anyway, Im getting way off base.Your point is noted but incorrect. Stats dont win games but certainly establish where a player is suffering or having success. If I saw 40 interceptions, 50 sacks,30 fumbles I could certainly tell you we wouldnt be winning many games. You toss up 40 TDs,throw 5 interceptions over the course of a year your gonna win more than you loose. The 90s Cowboys had a mindset...run first pass second. Our current game plan is dictated by the media bitching about what we did the prior week. He passed alot vs New York and lost. He didnt pass alot this week and still lost. What offensive player played better at their position in those 2 weeks than Romo. Not many.

    Dont believe in stats? Look at Jay Cutler. Cutler currently has a 75.2 passer rating,22 interceptions and 29 sacks. 5 wins 8 losses. Again, stats gauge where Chicago is as a team. Wont win many game with stats like that. Anways...its getting late...have a good time with this...........
    I really don't agree with anything you mention.
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    so ... why cant the Cowboys win anything to get them past playoff game 1..??? this cant be all Jerry Jones , can it ???

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    Wtf did romo do wrong?? You guys are crazy. That dickface nick folk cant make a field goal, thats why they keep losing. Also with the 3 good running backs they have, they should be running the ball ALOT more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987BuickGN View Post
    Aikman was a great quarterback in a great system surrounded by incredible talent. Michael Irvin was the offensive leader not Aikman.It wasnt Aikmans style to get in anyones face. Aikman was a beneficiary of great coaching, the best offensive line, the best running back, the best full back, a possession received(Irvin) a long ball threat(Alvin Harper) and a possession tight end(Novechek). He was a system quarterback. He threw to areas, not receivers. Ever see him leave the pocket? He injured himself 2 or 3 times running out of bounds without being hit. His nich was timing and accuracy. He was again, WELL COACHED. A system quarterback.But........

    My point was Romo isnt the problem. I cant think of many quarterbacks that wouldnt thrive in our system. Put Brady in there running for his life and see what you would have. Payton Manning ......wouldnt work here either. It would take someone that can escape the rush. You didnt see a HUGE difference between Drew Bledsoe and Tony Romo? Bledsoe was a bad ass. But he wasnt a badass in our system. You have to have a Aaron Rodgers,Tony Romo,Bret Favre type player to play quarterback here. Anyone that stands 4 feet away from Flozell Adams gets around him. Anyway, Im getting way off base.Your point is noted but incorrect. Stats dont win games but certainly establish where a player is suffering or having success. If I saw 40 interceptions, 50 sacks,30 fumbles I could certainly tell you we wouldnt be winning many games. You toss up 40 TDs,throw 5 interceptions over the course of a year your gonna win more than you loose. The 90s Cowboys had a mindset...run first pass second. Our current game plan is dictated by the media bitching about what we did the prior week. He passed alot vs New York and lost. He didnt pass alot this week and still lost. What offensive player played better at their position in those 2 weeks than Romo. Not many.

    Dont believe in stats? Look at Jay Cutler. Cutler currently has a 75.2 passer rating,22 interceptions and 29 sacks. 5 wins 8 losses. Again, stats gauge where Chicago is as a team. Wont win many game with stats like that. Anways...its getting late...have a good time with this...........
    Quote Originally Posted by 1986camarojoe View Post
    Wtf did romo do wrong?? You guys are crazy. That dickface nick folk cant make a field goal, thats why they keep losing. Also with the 3 good running backs they have, they should be running the ball ALOT more.
    a lot is two words guys, just fyi.

    Yea Nick folk blew it for us this past game. But I also agree that we are out-coached often. Wade phillips needs to sew his vagina shut and start being a little harder on his team.

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    [QUOTE=02ultraZ;2174699]a lot is two words guys, just fyi.

    Ok homo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaz View Post
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    As far as having a team that can beat anybody goes. Its the nfl. These players are the best football players. Any team can beat another any given sunday. That's why they play it on the field not by stat sheets. A qb in todays game shouldn't be compared on a solo basis to one of another era/decade/point in history. Too many variables with no results in the conversation. Only time will tell what the answer to the cowboys dilemma is. But things don't look good for them. But again any given Sunday. And keep hope/faith during thick and thin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snaggeltooth View Post
    so ... why cant the Cowboys win anything to get them past playoff game 1..??? this cant be all Jerry Jones , can it ???
    Unfortunately it can. They asked Wade once in a press conference if they would start Choice over Barber since he puts better runs. His response "I dont know, you'd have to ask Jerry"

    Wade cant wipe his ass without asking Jerry. Who plays and whos sits on the bench is NOT Wades choice.

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